TC beyond Ni200: Nickel Purity, Dicodes; Ti, SS, Resistherm NiFe30; Coefficient of Resistance

[WileE]

None of the wires are proven safe or dangerous for that matter, but we do know for sure that a large number of people are allergic to Nickel. So as long as your not allergic to Nickel? Go ahead and give it a try! I highly suggest you design your build on Steam Engine first. I would only recommend trying spaced coils with the Nickel & that won't be easy since you need a bunch of wraps just to get to the minimal required resistance generally .09Ω. Do not dry burn the Nickel to a bright glow like you would with Kanthal. If you want to try to re-wick without replacing the coil then pull the wick & turn your temp up to 600°F & rinse. Do not put that Nickel build on a mech! You may or may not notice a metallic taste from the Nickel & you will likely have a cooler then expected vape.

Most importantly do not throw in the towel. Before writing off TC for good, order some NiFe 52 from a reputable source and build TC Claptons or whatever you like

Titanium is a good option too, but takes a backseat to NiFe 52 IMO for all the reasons mentioned previously in this thread.

 

[2legsshrt]

I use a lot of 430 myself, I have 28ga. I've got two builds I switch between based on how much room I have to build in. Twisted dual coils, 11 wraps around 3mm, comes out to about 0.35 ohm. If I don't have insane amounts of space I don't twist, and do dual 8 wraps around 3mm, which comes to about 0.4 ohm.

I build as contact, but my non twisted builds tend to spread out into spaced coil as I mount them anyway.

Another thing to keep in mind with 430 is it can be a bit brittler than the other SS, so it needs a slightly delicate touch or you're going to get snapped legs.

That said, it's still easy to work with and about as versatile as you could ask for.

How does it compare to Ti. I guess that is the big question. I don't need any more wire that I don't use. I really like Ti so with that considered what do you think. It's hard to decide when one guy says its not that great and others say it is fantastic. I hear it is supposed to be better for you to use health wise then Ti.

 

[druckle]

None of the wires are proven safe or dangerous for that matter, but we do know for sure that a large number of people are allergic to Nickel. So as long as your not allergic to Nickel? Go ahead and give it a try! I highly suggest you design your build on Steam Engine first. I would only recommend trying spaced coils with the Nickel & that won't be easy since you need a bunch of wraps just to get to the minimal required resistance generally .09Ω. Do not dry burn the Nickel to a bright glow like you would with Kanthal. If you want to try to re-wick without replacing the coil then pull the wick & turn your temp up to 600°F & rinse. Do not put that Nickel build on a mech! You may or may not notice a metallic taste from the Nickel & you will likely have a cooler then expected vape.

Most importantly do not throw in the towel. Before writing off TC for good, order some NiFe 52 from a reputable source and build TC Claptons or whatever you like

Titanium is a good option too, but takes a backseat to NiFe 52 IMO for all the reasons mentioned previously in this thread.

I like NIFe 52 just fine but I don't agree that Ti takes a back seat to it. I've worked with both extensively and while both are good the "numbers" and the vape I get with a DNA 200 favor the titanium in my opinion.

Not an argument point....just a "to each his own" comment.

It's like the guy who said "I like my wife more than yours"...........I'm damned glad he does!

Duane

 

[2legsshrt]

I like NIFe 52 just fine but I don't agree that Ti takes a back seat to it. I've worked with both extensively and while both are good the "numbers" and the vape I get with a DNA 200 favor the titanium in my opinion.

Not an argument point....just a "to each his own" comment.

It's like the guy who said "I like my wife more than yours"...........I'm damned glad he does!

Duane

I agree I like Ti the best of all I have tried, haven't tried SS yet and was considering some 430 but IDK might just get somemore Unk. I like the fact that is measures out to .42 fits perfectly in my fleet of STM's and I love the plus rba heads compared to the old ones changing all mine over to that. The NiFe I haven't tried it with a spaced coil yet and in TC I seem to like those better then contact. More flavor to me at least with Ti

 

[pevinsghost]

How does it compare to Ti. I guess that is the big question.

Couldn't say, I jumped straight from ni to ss.

All I can say is the SS has been much easier for me than Ni, and I really don't feel a need to switch to anything else.

 

[pbanj]

I went from ni to ti and ti is much better. I'm using 430ss right now, not sure how I feel about it yet.

 

[PapaGeno21]

How do you know if you are allergic to nickel? I use Nichrome 80 in most of my builds, would I have noticed it?

 

[2legsshrt]

Yeah I am really happy with Ti and YiHi has it dialed in really well so I never use manual TCR so for me anyway I can't see getting a better mod with software. If I was one that used all kinds of wires and all different kinds of atty's I guess it would be ok. It works fine I know that from the NiFe so its there if I ever need it.

 

[WileE]

How do you know if you are allergic to nickel? I use Nichrome 80 in most of my builds, would I have noticed it?

If you've had no issues with Nichrome 80 then you most likely have no Nickel allergy. The people with a Nickel allergy I've talked to said they also had issues with Nichrome 80. The only exception was a guy I met that could vape Ni 200 pure Nickel, but not Nichrome 80. I suspect he has a chromium allergy.

Just a FYI there are way more woman with nickel allergies then men, but still it's estimated that 10% + of the population has it.

A lot of people get contact rashes from Nickel plated items such as watches or belt buckles, but some with a more mild sensitivity may not get the skin rashes. I read a few examples where it can cause a soar throat for those with even a mild sensitivity.

Hell just google fit bit watches Nickel rash fit bit watches Nickel rash - Google Search and you'll get about 9000 hits.

IMO there should be Nickel allergy warning labels on replaceable coil heads made from Nichrome 80 since a lot of people that know they have Nickel sensitivity are not aware that Nichrome 80 is 80% Nickel. Or better yet they should just use Kanthal in the replaceable heads. The Uwell Crown is a possible replaceable coil tank option for those with Nickel sensitivity since the SS 316L coils in them has a much lower Nickel content (10-14%) vs. Nichrome @80%

 

[cigatron]

Seems I recall that there were posts claiming that 316L has the same tcr and res/mm2 as Gplat. Can someone confirm? Are they indeed the same metallurgy?

 

[Kraken_Up]

Seems I recall the there were posts claiming that 316L has the same tcr and res/mm2 as Gplat. Any truth to that? Are they indeed the same metallurgy?

I believe GPlat is 317L. You can google it if you want, I would but the specific vendor's page is blocked at work for me.

 

[cigatron]

I believe GPlat is 317L. You can google it if you want, I would but the specific vendor's page is blocked at work for me.

Problem is google searches describe gplat as overpriced 317L and 316L. I probably haven't landed on the right site to confirm.

 

[Kraken_Up]

Problem is google searches show gplat as 317L and 316L.

Gotcha. It seems that their smaller gauges, 24 and 22 gaugeand stuff(branded as Elite) is 316L. The Haywire, the larger wire(20ga), is 317L. This info came from the Vaporkings website, combined with wire type identifications from Steam Engine

 

[cigatron]

Gotcha. It seems that their smaller gauges, 24 and 22 gaugeand stuff(branded as Elite) is 316L. The Haywire, the larger wire(20ga), is 317L. This info came from the Vaporkings website, combined with wire type identifications from Steam Engine

Thanks for that.

 

[pevinsghost]

Problem is google searches describe gplat as overpriced 317L and 316L. I probably haven't landed on the right site to confirm.

Supposedly, there had been suspicions already, but someone on Reddit claimed to have gotten it tested and verified it was a molybdenum bearing, austentistic stainless steel. i.e.: 316L or 317L.

Then gplat went and made things worse for themselves by spouting a bunch of BS instead of fessing up and saying "So what if it is, we fronted the cash to get it milled in usable gauges, and we stand by our product."

 

[nikos523]

Hi guys! A quick question.
The tcr for ss316l (v4a from zivipf) is 0.00100?
This is under the wire description but i saw a few different tcr values in this thread, so I'm a little bit confused.
Thanks in advance!

 

[pevinsghost]

The tcr for ss316l (v4a from zivipf) is 0.00100?
This is under the wire description but i saw a few different tcr values in this thread, so I'm a little bit confused.
Thanks in advance!

The standard for different grades of wire involve ranges of different materials.

Different sources with slightly different ratios of various materials in the wire are going to have different TCR, and different information sources may measure differently.

For 316L it'll always be around the 0.00080-0.00100 range, but different sources or even batches may be a little higher or lower.

Our it could be a mistake.

 

[dwcraig1]

I need to get a bunch of different colored drip tips, one color for each wire type. I have one heck of a time figuring out what's in it, not too bad of a job if some weren't twisted.

 

[Landman]

I need to get a bunch of different colored drip tips, one color for each wire type. I have one heck of a time figuring out what's in it, not too bad of a job if some weren't twisted.

Hehe, I have to use my calendar and log the SN from the atty with what wire type/build I have or I'll forget.

 

[AtmizrOpin]

I need to get a bunch of different colored drip tips, one color for each wire type. I have one heck of a time figuring out what's in it, not too bad of a job if some weren't twisted.

that, my friend , is a great idea. i would need 4 diff colors. SS Ti Nife48/52 Ni200(rarely used for rta/rda builds anymore, mainly used for the ni200 crown coils, they're so cheap).