UNICORN MILK by Cuttwood
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Yeah I think we vapers are all pretty familiar with the danger of pure nicotine, or at least we should be, but we understand the risk and expect nicotine in ejuice, that's kind of the whole point of it.
What we don't expect or should even have to worry about ever being in our ejuice is titanium dioxide.
I would like to see the industry as a whole self-regulate coloring additives right out the window, forever.
Yes.
ECF admin might have contacted him, investigated the charges, and then posted an official warning once the allegations proved valid. Or something. There was certainly no need to punish the whistleblower.
If the vaping community really wants to regulate itself, it's going to have to do better than this, that's for sure.
I think we need a whistleblower protection act. If not for the posts confirming TiO2, this could have been buried and there would be a lot of people out there vaping away on this ejuice.
I honestly don't think we should crucify the maker, that is as long as he doesn't continue down this path of pretending it's just about gunking coils but we certainly shouldn't be crucifying the person who did the 100% right thing by reporting this to the community.
I honestly don't think we should crucify the maker, that is as long as he doesn't continue down this path of pretending it's just about gunking coils but we certainly shouldn't be crucifying the person who did the 100% right thing by reporting this to the community.
Agreed - I really appreciated the vendor coming onto this thread. He wasn't trying to sell his products, he was trying to establish the credibility of his information, which is important to all of us. Really wish that had been handled differently. 
A Whistleblower Protection Act is a great idea!
That would be a genuine public service.
How would one go about suggesting something like that?
I am sure this is probably been said already but i am frustrated so i need to say this. I don't know if this was just a simple mistake or if the creator was just wanting to make a quick buck at the expense of peoples health. Selling your juice to the masses without fully understanding every single ingredient that you put into it is wrong. I understand making juices is a learning process that never ends but knowing that your juices contain titanium dioxide and thinking its safe for inhalation just because it may be safe for ingestion is crazy. this is the last thing the vaping world needed and has given everything those anti e-cig advocates need to try and further ban them. This has made me fully think twice about the juice i buy and i most certainly will never buy from cuttwood ever.
A Whistleblower Protection Act is a great idea!
That would be a genuine public service.
How would one go about suggesting something like that?
I guess someone should start a thread on it, gauge the support, there would need to be a lot of support for it to have a chance. Although if so many of these threads can hit 15k posts I would hope it could.
Some issues: Would have to be set up to prevent it from becoming an unsubstantiated rumor/insane gossip/vaping urban legend thread, or a "sabotage the other guys business" symposium. The strawberry milk market is a rough and tumble game right now, seems like everyone and their brother has one.
Obviously this was not any of that.
I think it's a reasonable thing to think about at least, it is pretty crappy what happened here, all the way around, but the whistleblower probably got the shortest and least deserved end of the stick. Following the letter of the law not the spirit to this extent, when it was clear he wasn't trying to make sales is just sad...
Hey, I just realized you're from Maine, GemCutter.
No wonder you're so sensible and self-reliant.
I'll start the first thread if you guys will contribute some preliminary input so I don't come off like a complete idiot.
For instance, I think the points GemCutter makes are quite valid. How could admin prevent a WPA from becoming an insult hurling free-for-all? How could alerts be handled? Who would do the investigation into the various claims?
And . . . lets see . . . what else?
No wonder you're so sensible and self-reliant.
I'll start the first thread if you guys will contribute some preliminary input so I don't come off like a complete idiot.
For instance, I think the points GemCutter makes are quite valid. How could admin prevent a WPA from becoming an insult hurling free-for-all? How could alerts be handled? Who would do the investigation into the various claims?
And . . . lets see . . . what else?
I just have to say , if it wasn't for me finding ECF, I would've had this pink stuff in my hands in a few days and probably vaped it and then just tried to figure out how to re - create it. Now, I'm still getting the new clear version since my order was already in and Cuttwood seemed to get rid of the mystery ingredient, but I'm going to stick with making my own combos from now on. No matter how alluring someone else's juice may seem.
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Does anyone else find it troubling that the manufacturer is not being truthful in his advertisement about the real reason he changed the formula?
Hey, I just realized you're from Maine, GemCutter.
No wonder you're so sensible and self-reliant.
I'll start the first thread if you guys will contribute some preliminary input so I don't come off like a complete idiot.
For instance, I think the points GemCutter makes are quite valid. How could admin prevent a WPA from becoming an insult hurling free-for-all? How could alerts be handled? Who would do the investigation into the various claims?
And . . . lets see . . . what else?
Hey small world! I knew I liked you for some reason! Link the thread for sure if you start it. What general part of Maine? South of Bangor on the coast here.
I am thinking there could be two ways, one would be infraction based, if you are posting bullcrap gossip in bad faith you get one warning then a ban, if you put out completely unsubstantiated claims, like a sabotage situation, insta-ban. If someone posts something in good faith and it turns out to be untrue then maybe they don't get banned, but it would have to be a case by case basis and it would seem that isn't a strong point with any forum. So that's a lot of work.
Second would be someone submits to a mod or the thread runner in a PM, then the mod or thread runner would post it if there is reason.
Ticky-tack stuff would not be allowed, this isn't about finish and blemishes, it's about safety and possibly bad business practices. Anything safety related would get priority. Examples would be the box-mod shorting on screws situation, the credit-card fraud situation, and the TiO2 situation.
A protocol could be developed, contact the vendor and/or manufacturer and ask them to help the situation. If this was in place for months this issue could have gone down so much better. Not to get too grandiose but I think Cutt, ECF, and the whole vaping community's image (to outsiders) could have come out looking much better here, and the whistleblower would have been treated better which he deserved. With method two the whole infraction thing would have been avoided too.
A third option could be a short of informal beta test with a hybrid of the systems, informal trouble-shooting and watchdogging as well as PMing if the whistleblower desired, feel out the potential system whatever it ends up being.
This is a win for sure. Unregistered supplier? Delete his post and ban his account? He wasn't selling anything... He was passing on information that he personally has.
To everyone posting on my thread, thank you. I started out saying how good the juice was and someone said it contained titanium dioxide. As of right now it looks as if that is 90% true. Cuttwood is getting hung on Instagram with a pic they posted yesterday about no more pink because of clogged coils. Numerous stores are pulling the juice off their shelves and won't re sell the new clear juice. Cuttwood has yet to make a statement in defense. I'm glad a started this thread.
what if this is all a ploy!. What if cuttwood was employed by philip morris to infiltrate the vaping community with a new and shiny juice?!. It all makes perfect sense. Make a new juice which everyone would want, put a toxic substance in it, people vape and find out, someone makes a thread about it and from there the word spreads till it hits TV and down goes the world of vaping. No more competition.
Just kidding. kinda makes you think tho. Doesn't philip morris own Blu or something?
Just kidding. kinda makes you think tho. Doesn't philip morris own Blu or something?
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Lorillard Tobacco Company owns Blu. They are the makers of Newports.
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