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I actually traded my Lemo and my Lemo Drop for my two Subtank Minis... Not enough airflow for me anymore...
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Mine is 1000% better with the RBA section in my ST Mini...
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Went to the movies tonight, saw the avengers age of ultron in the cinema suites (AMC) in 3D (not that you needed to know all that for what about to say but I feel better telling you)
So I was stealth vaping since it was just us (wife and I) and another couple. (if you don't know what cinema suites are, Google them... They're awesome. Leather power recliners, full wait service delivered to your chair, push button for waiter order anything, alcohol, food, popcorn, refills...) ANYWAY.
I put my waidea in stealth mode (no screen) took a vape, held it in for about 10 seconds so there would be little to no vapor on exhale... Put down the Vaporflask. Several minutes later, don't know how long... Press the button.. Back to normal mode. So stealth mode reset back to normal mode. I wasn't sure if that was brought up before or not, but I figured I'd mention it. (and my movie going experience. I don't get out much.
movie was very enjoyable too.)
So I was stealth vaping since it was just us (wife and I) and another couple. (if you don't know what cinema suites are, Google them... They're awesome. Leather power recliners, full wait service delivered to your chair, push button for waiter order anything, alcohol, food, popcorn, refills...) ANYWAY.
I put my waidea in stealth mode (no screen) took a vape, held it in for about 10 seconds so there would be little to no vapor on exhale... Put down the Vaporflask. Several minutes later, don't know how long... Press the button.. Back to normal mode. So stealth mode reset back to normal mode. I wasn't sure if that was brought up before or not, but I figured I'd mention it. (and my movie going experience. I don't get out much.
movie was very enjoyable too.)interesting that all these early version Waideas are popping up from focal usa. Pretty sure these are early QC returns for bad grounds recycled back out for sale again by Waidea - Not Focal. If I were you guys I would complain & return for swapout.
Unless the newer chip says temp protection? I don't know of anyway to display a version number?
But yeah they could absolutely be QC returns and resold as new. IF that's the case, I'd be .......
But yeah they could absolutely be QC returns and resold as new. IF that's the case, I'd be .......
Oh, that's a nasty thought! But yeah, given what we know of Waidea..
I was thinking just the other day about how we now know all about the ground issues, and surely Waidea must have also known full well about them back in early April when they were dealing (via 3F) with my seemingly DOA flask. So all that crap they gave 3F/me about "Weak Battery means you have to use 'Power Battery'", and refusing to offer more than $12 shipping, and refusing to send out another flask out on getting my shipping confirmation: they almost certainly knew full well, from all their other returns, what the problem was and that it had nothing to do with the batteries I was using.
Scum.
No way I've heard to display versions. Yeah it's always possible that they reverted that message - that they got complaints that it never displayed it, because people thought if it didn't display it it wasn't regulating temp properly. Hell, I was worried about that for a little bit until I had it confirmed mine wasn't the only flask that didn't display TP.
So it could be that they turned the message back on. It could be that older batches are being received now because of Focal US, and it could be that they're being recycled because of Waidea skull duggery!
Though because his battery caps also don't line up, perhaps that does make the skull duggery the most likely cause - I don't remember us hearing about those for quite a long time, if indeed we ever have with the Waidea. Might be further evidence that it's an old unit recycled, or at least indicative of it having more than one issue.
Infinite 50W - first thoughts, part 1
Infinite 50W flask arrived!
I just 'happened' to be out on the street as the postman was making his rounds - I told him I was going out and I was pretty sure there was a Signed For package for me, would he mind awfully getting it out now before doing the 20 houses he still had left before me?
And yes it is 50W - such luck of getting the 60W is not meant for me. That said, I haven't even had it on 50W that often so far, so I think 50W max is going to be just fine.
The Photos
Front & Back
Unbranded, yay! But non-lining-up battery-caps, unyay!
Top shot showing Nickel Purity @ default of 70 - also notice scratch top left of 510 from very first atty put on.
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Top shot w/ Atlantis
Looking up one battery tube
Infinite 50W flask arrived!
I just 'happened' to be out on the street as the postman was making his rounds - I told him I was going out and I was pretty sure there was a Signed For package for me, would he mind awfully getting it out now before doing the 20 houses he still had left before me?
And yes it is 50W - such luck of getting the 60W is not meant for me. That said, I haven't even had it on 50W that often so far, so I think 50W max is going to be just fine.
The Photos
Front & Back
Unbranded, yay! But non-lining-up battery-caps, unyay!
Top shot showing Nickel Purity @ default of 70 - also notice scratch top left of 510 from very first atty put on.
[/B]Top shot w/ Atlantis
Looking up one battery tube
Infinite 50W - first thoughts, part 2
The Good
The Good
- Worked out of the box - a first with Chinese Flasks, for me
- Both battery tubes functioning
- No obvious gunk in the tubes - but I guess there's no anodizing to mess them up
- The finish seems good to me
- Maybe it's different silver vs black
- But I like what I see on my silver - it's smooth to the touch but shows a slight texturing when you look at it
- Certainly not painted or in any way covered with anything.
- Came clean out of the box - no obvious dirt/marks, inside or out.
- It looks clean and tidy inside (up the battery tubes)
- Definitely a sled at the top, white plastic
- The battery springs looks like they'll be better than the Waidea - not a thin sheet of bent metal like Waidea, but rather they look like a proper brass pin
- Unbranded - no "Made in USA" on the bottom, no "Vapor Flask"
- Though strangely the box it came in is still labelled "Vapor Flask"
- And I would have preferred it say something, maybe "VF by Infinite" or at least just VF
- Spring loaded 510 seems to work well
- Good resistance - not loose, not super tight.
- Atty detection is good
- Remove an atty and it automatically resets to 0.00 as on Waidea/genuines
- Put an atty on and it doesn't auto-detect it, again like (my) Waidea - but I think perhaps that's standard?
- But it does detect it on a light tap of fire, I feel with less pressure required than the Waidea. I can tap it very lightly and the resistance shows up immediately, every time, where with the Waidea sometimes I found myself pressing it again to see resistance.
- And if the screen is off, the same tap to turn the screen on will also update the resistance - so it's only when the screen is already on that you notice it took a tap to show the resistance.
- TC is working well so far
- It displays Temperature Protected, and very readily - it seems to do it as soon as it's going to reduce the watts below the setting; is that normal for original DNA 40?
- Eg set to 40W, it will fire around 39-40W for some seconds then flash TP, and after TP goes away it'll be showing perhaps 25W.
- (Depending of course on the juice level etc, it's not flashing TP when I'm fully juiced with the right temp setting)
- Resistance readings look solid - no fluctuating.
- Interestingly, it's reading a few hundredths below my other mods.
- An Atlantis 0.5 coil (been in use 2 days) read 0.50/0.51, where the IPV4 reads 0.56 and the M80 reads 0.59.
- A 2-strand twisted Ni200 29G build in my Magma read 0.09 where the IPV4 had 0.12
- Not sure which is right, here, but the Infinite Flask is definitely the odd-mod-out in its lowness.
- Interestingly, it's reading a few hundredths below my other mods.
- It fires below 0.10 as expected - lowest tried so far is 0.07
- It has a proper sleep mode
- Leave it for a while and then vape, and it vapes instantly - no double tap
- We already knew this but great to see it in the flesh!
- It stays locked when you lock it
- Like genuines, unlike Kangxin/Waidea mods
- I assume this is part of it having a proper sleep mode
- No need to disable TC to vape Kanthal
- There is no Kanthal/Nickel detection, but this doesn't matter in practice (for firing Kanthal)
- What happens is it fires it as if in TC, but because the ohms never rise, it just stays at the same watts.
- Eg: Setting of 400°F, 30W, firing a Kanthal 0.50 build
- When I hit fire, the temp display shows 0.77 or 0.80. Watts shows 30W
- The temp stays at 0.77 or whatever
- The Watts might fluctuate very slightly down, e.g. firing 30W, 29.9W, 29.8W, 30W
- So although it thinks it's TC, because the resistance never rises, or at most 0.01, you still get the wattage you wanted - or at most very slightly below.
- I have not had an unsatisfactory vape on Kanthal while in TC mode, unlike the Waidea
- Thus I feel no need, so far at least, to disable TC when vaping Kanthal.
- Nickel Purity seems to have the expected effect
- The default was set at 70, not 10 as we saw in a Geeco review, and that seems sensible thus far.
- I tried increasing it to 90, and found the displayed temperature was never reaching my configured temp (in Magma RDA)
- This still needs a lot of experimentation, but it does look like it's been calibrated for 70 = good Ni200 (99.6% Nickel)
- That would suggest that 80-100 will be useful for any future wires that have a higher coefficient - if such exists and is vapable (silver?? )
- And perhaps also it might be useful for different attys? Ones that you would normally turn your temp down for, could instead have a higher NP?
- Eg Kayfun 4/Squape?
- Whether that's worthwhile versus just adjusting temp, I don't know.
- But it does mean that the lowest setting of 10 is probably not going to be 1/10th the Nickel coefficient as first hoped, meaning very low coefficients (Stainless Steel?) might not have a good setting.
- The live resistance display is AWESOME
- This is going to be so valuable for tweaking Nickel Purity!
- We can see the temp it thinks it is, and the resistance it knows it is - we can thus plot these values and work out what coefficient it uses for a given Nickel Purity.
- It's a shame it's got the TP message hiding half the values, but we should still be able to see enough info to work out good NP settings for given wires.
- Battery charging appears to work - I got a red light anyway; not fully tested yet.
- Manual describes it as 800mAh, which is at least better than the Waidea.
- I assume that means 400mAh/battery
- The manual is OK
- Good: Talks about how to use TC - make sure mod/atty at same temperature, ensure solid connection to mod
- Good: Describes all the functions
- Bad: Confusing terminology of buttons, sometimes wrong, it seems to call the "down" button "MAIN" sometimes, which is also used to describe the fire button.
- No USB cable in the box
- Just the mod and a manual
- Bit odd, and perhaps an early-batch mistake, as there's clearly a slot for a cable in the box insert.
- Battery caps do not line up
- The battery tubes are tight - or rather I should say, short
- No chance of button-tops
- And it was quite an effort even to get my Samsung 25Rs in
- For both tubes, I had to hold in the battery with the cap, pushing it fairly hard, while trying to rotate it and catch the threads.
- One tube was easier than the other - the one under the screen.
- The other tube took me a good while, the first time, to get the required pressure to both hold the battery in and turn the cap.
- It was a bit easier the second time, partly I suppose because I was used to it, but perhaps the spring also loosened up a bit.
- It does mean that you're going to need a coin for pretty much the whole tighten/untighten - it's too tight to comfortably do with fingers.
- EDIT to add: it's not that the tubes are short, but rather that the battery contact pin is longer than the Waidea. Also, a little of the extreme tightness I found on one tube turned out to be a slightly damaged wrap on that battery. They're still very tight, but a little less so than I first thought.
- I got a scratch around the 510 with the very first atty I put on
- Scratches around 510 are normal and expected, but how quickly this one came leads me to believe the finish will get scratched fairly easily (the part that scratched is the normal finish, not any part of the 510.)
- I don't like how readily it displays TP, hiding info, but perhaps that's just the same as the DNA 40?
- I don't believe it's affecting the vape - when TP goes away it's still showing high watts
- More testing required later.
- The buttons are OK - not quite as nice as the Waidea perhaps
- The fire button is a bit 'pointy', and it has some lateral movement
- The up/down seem OK
- I can't comment on the finish, whether it's painted or something-covering-something, because I don't know about that sort of stuff It feels perfectly smooth to the touch, and in fact smoother and nicer than my (black) Waidea.
- Sometimes when you lock it, it doesn't say that it locked - nothing changes on screen
- This is inconsistent - at first it didn't show it, then I tested it some more and each time it did show it, and just now it again didn't
- Not sure why this is, and it makes it a bit confusing: did I lock it?
- Then you try and test if you locked it, and experience the next confusion..:
- When it's locked, pressing up/down displays nothing
- So you're not sure if maybe the button press didn't work, so you press it again
- If you recently locked it you probably remember that, but if not you're "WTH?" until you press Fire and see "CLICK 5x LOCKED"
- A silly bug and slightly annoying, but not a huge deal - you'll remember the quirk soon enough, and hopefully it'll be fixed in future revisions.
- The screen is not properly centred vertically
- There's no margin at all at the top, and a gap at the bottom.
- Doesn't have any functional effect, you can see everything properly. Might annoy OCD types.
- No round-robin on Watts setting
- This is a debatable con - it's happened on my Waidea that one wrong press took me from 40 to 1W.
- And with 50/60W max, the number of times one would want to go from, say, 55W to 15W, such that r/r would be faster, is going to be minimal.
- But round robin is usually listed as a plus, so I'll put this in The Bad.
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^^^So these ones stay locked till you click 5 times? Not for just a couple of minutes like our other ones?
It is normal business practice by any company that is replacing defective units due to QC issues for them to take the bad units and repair / refurbish them for resale. I would hardly call it scull duggery provided the units are working as expected when they are re distributed. If however they were not refurbished prior to redistribution, then I would concede that the practice would be considered as shady.
I would also think that if the ground has not been properly repaired in redistributed units the fault might lie more with Waidas' lack of understanding of the importance of establishing a proper ground at the time of redistribution than with a willful attempt to deceive or defraud. Fortunately the 6 month warranty would still apply to units of this type so the ability to seek replacement under warranty remains in effect for any who may have received them.
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What about fire from sleep aka double tap, and pre-heat?
Yes! Good point, forgot that, added it to my big list now.
See above re first. I don't think it pre-heats - manual lists max amps as 20A which I think corresponds to the increased 50W, and isn't the 23A of a genuine with pre-heat.
How can I tell if it pre-heats? Should I see it showing a higher watts than configured? If so then no, I've not seen that as yet. I'll try configuring a lower wattage to see if that makes any difference.
EDIT: Setting 20W and vaping on a cooled coil, left to stand 10 mins, and it started at 20W; no sign of higher watts at start of vape.
It is? It's illegal in the UK (and rest of EU, I would expect.) Returned/refurbished units must be sold as refurbished, not as brand new. But maybe standard elsewhere I suppose.
As for my scum statement - it's not that I'm saying Waidea should have understood first off about the ground. What I'm thinking is that by the time of my issues with 3F - April 9th - Waidea absolutely must have known that there were issues with the ground, purely from the returns and descriptions of problems. Therefore for them to feed back some BS about "he's not using the right batteries" is, in my view, indicative of showing no interest in dealing with problems, only in fobbing off customers.
I might be wrong, perhaps they had absolutely no idea until Nicole told them - which would be indicative of other problems, I'd say, but perhaps not poor regard for customers or quality. But I find that hard to believe. A high percentage of us getting our Waideas experienced the issue, to lesser or greater degrees, almost immediately. Surely they knew by April 9th.
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@ TheBloke, awesome review man! now, can you tell me if the batteries drain EVENLY? i'm tired of swapping the batteries from side to side on my kangxin I bought it for battery life and to not have to swap batts if this new SXK/Infinite version drains batts evenly i'm in! cheers.
i'm tired of swapping the batteries from side to side on my kangxin I bought it for battery life and to not have to swap batts if this new SXK/Infinite version drains batts evenly i'm in! cheers.
@ TheBloke, awesome review man! now, can you tell me if the batteries drain EVENLY?
I'll take the batteries out when they show half charged and put them on the charger.
However I might need to wait until my second set, as I did vape (very briefly) on single battery, to confirm each tube worked. I did that twice, once per tube, so it might have evened out. But if I do see the usual 3.1/3.2 I get from my Waidea, I can't rule out it being because of that.
Tell you what, when the display reads around half I'll swap out these batts for a new set, confirm what this set say on the charger, and then swap out the second set also around 50% and confirm those on charger as well. Then we'll have an idea a bit sooner.
I removed the battery's on my ? Vapor Flask,when the display was showing half a charge left. The voltage on the battries show 3.75 on each one. I thought this was a little low? At what voltage do these clones shut off the device?
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