Why all the hate for cloud chasers?
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well I run 12 watts on a subtank with 1.73 ohm coil ( 8 turns#28 kenthal 3mm diameter) definitely not a tight draw. does that disqualify me from being a "tootle puffer" ? guess i'm just a boring garden variety vaper
Couldn't possibly have been the increase in popularity of vaping in general, or the very public push for regulation by the FDA, or public health agencies worldwide singling vaping out as a major health hazard. Had to be the cloud chasers. Got it.
We're all vapers, we need everyone if we're going to win anything. Courtesy towards others should be a given, it isn't, but that has little to do with vaping.
Non smokers vaping isn't the problem.
Cloud chasers aren't the problem.
Tootle puffers aren't the problem.
For various reasons, mostly financial, some very powerful people don't like vaping, in any form. That is the problem. The rest are just excuses to hide the true motivation.
You want the public to support a vaping ban, tell them second hand vapor will kill them, show a video of cloud chasers fogging up a room. I bet you that person will look at a tootle puffer vaping indoors with the same hatred as they would a cloud chaser.
Side note: one understandable source of frustration in the non high powered vaping group is the lack of new low powered vaping gear, or the end of life cycle for older gear. If all I used was carto tanks, I'd be upset that I couldn't easily find my cartos of choice.
It does go both ways.
Personally I could care less if someone wants to be a cloud chaser but I don't particularly want to have someone clouding up a restaurant where I am trying to enjoy my meal or in a store where I am shopping. I admit to being old fashioned and still believe there is a time and place for everything, in being considerate towards others and no one else has to agree with that.
In 2012-2013 almost 60% of American adults felt vaping indoors, including restaurants, was ok.
In 2014-2015 that dropped to less than 30% of American adults felt vaping indoors, including restaurants, was ok.
Do I wish vaping as a whole remained on the low key path to becoming mainstream acceptable harm reduction for smokers....yes....but that is not the way it played out.
Personally I could care less if someone wants to be a cloud chaser but I don't particularly want to have someone clouding up a restaurant where I am trying to enjoy my meal or in a store where I am shopping. I admit to being old fashioned and still believe there is a time and place for everything, in being considerate towards others and no one else has to agree with that.
In 2012-2013 almost 60% of American adults felt vaping indoors, including restaurants, was ok.
In 2014-2015 that dropped to less than 30% of American adults felt vaping indoors, including restaurants, was ok.
Do I wish vaping as a whole remained on the low key path to becoming mainstream acceptable harm reduction for smokers....yes....but that is not the way it played out.
Personally I'll use whatever fits my needs. With that said, 2 years ago I was shopping for a new laptop. I surprised myself by getting a MPB. Higher resolution than any of the Minisquish powered offerings, standard PCIe SSD and +10hr battery life that the MS machines at the time could only dream of. An added bonus is not drinking the MS cool aid. (I have OpenOffice loaded on it)
After +24yrs of being stuck with Minisquich offerings I have one system that is completely free of MS software.
Don't drink the coolaid - don't succumb to MS products.
(like their poor excuse for a phone was an actual viable product)
- cut my teeth programming on a teletype writer
FYI...First 'Tootle Puff' usage :
Joyetech Delta II SUB-ohm
From Kat's Blog :
The first ever Tootle Puffer post! Yaay! Thanks, Croak! | E-Cigarette Forum
Now...settle down or go to your rooms !
I agree. The vast, vast majority have been excellent, regardless of their level of cloud.
Tootle puffers got vaping banned pretty much everywhere in NY years ago. About 5-6 or so, not sure I wasn't paying much attention as I'd rather take my chances with cigarettes then tootle puffing.
Now many in NY want to rewrite history and blame cloud chasers. What was the hot rod five years ago a Provape 1??
I chase clouds to not smoke. 100% time proven fact that toole puffing does nothing at all to help me quit smoking. Cloud chasing ended a decades long habit on day one.
I don't really mind the whining (and whining and whining................) against clouds chaser on the innernet. In person I wouldn't stand for it. Not thats its a problem, I haven't seen anyone using old school TP gear in prolly a year or so. For example I have never seen a Provari in the wild even once and I've seen a couple dozen RX200's just in the past couple weeks.
Now many in NY want to rewrite history and blame cloud chasers. What was the hot rod five years ago a Provape 1??
I chase clouds to not smoke. 100% time proven fact that toole puffing does nothing at all to help me quit smoking. Cloud chasing ended a decades long habit on day one.
I don't really mind the whining (and whining and whining................) against clouds chaser on the innernet. In person I wouldn't stand for it. Not thats its a problem, I haven't seen anyone using old school TP gear in prolly a year or so. For example I have never seen a Provari in the wild even once and I've seen a couple dozen RX200's just in the past couple weeks.
As far as video games and high-end animation work goes, I'm willing to bet that if you research more that you'll find that a lot of it is being done on Silicon Graphics machines running some flavor of *nix, not Macs or Windows boxes. Why? Because performance.
At work, yes, it's vector-based stuff - 80% of my time is in Illustrator, the rest is InDesign. (Well, that and waiting for files to RIP.
) The platform and the apps work for the intended use, rather well. We're actually resisting corporate IT policy for using standardized system images because they've hobbled the system so badly that it's actually harder to get work done on them.Again, I'm not some "brainwashed" Mac user who thinks it the be-all end-all of computers; I've worked with all of them, built PC's, run and supported Windows, Mac and Linux servers; I know my way around a Terminal interface to get stuff done. I have two servers right here in my office running Ubuntu for file serving and media server use. I'm comfortable with the choice of platform(s) I made. So are you. Live and let live. I just ask that you don't lump all Mac users into some "brainwashed" category, because we're not. Fair enough?
Most of the cloud chasers have been friendly to me but I tend to joke with them. I like to go ask them what Nic they vape at and when they say 3 or 6 mg, I tootle puff my Triton Mini or Kabuki clone at 8.5 W, blow a really small cloud and say "24 mg, cowboy vaping, man up guys!"
Oh once they tax juice at 25 to 50 cents a ml, cloud chasing juice guzzlers will be a thing of the past
That would have been in the 90's, Silicon Graphics workstations running Irix.
Now it's HP Z workstations running Linux.
Clown chasing is dangerous.
Don't let then tell you otherwise.
And Flava Chasing can be expensive
The sammiches have kicked in.
Don't let then tell you otherwise.
And Flava Chasing can be expensive
The sammiches have kicked in.
I've yet to see any visible hate for clouds, but from people who don't like vaping period. I'm a cloud chaser, but only because I enjoy it as a hobby & at times, compete & clown with other cloud chasers. I normally keep my clouds to myself though, unless it's coming out of my car, or I take a couple of puffs before entering a public place.
LOL thats hilarious , looks like he's using a blade for "ripping" lumber , less teeth but considerably more damage and the blade depth looks OK lol.
NYC - effective 2014
NYS - effective 2016(?)
Where you getting 5-6 years?
Guessing if the Detail fits the Tale........
Sadly read as - LOOKS to much like smoking.....Good reasoning
and Clean Air
NYC Council Bans Public Vaping Because It Looks Too Much Like Smoking
That was quick: NY State moves to ban e-cigarettes indoors
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