York County, PA, to ban e-cigs in public housing

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  1. TNT

    TNT Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Residents protest proposed smoking ban in York Housing Authority homes - The York Daily Record

    The article, in today's York Daily Record newspaper, talks about banning smoking in public housing. Near the end of the article there's a rather bizarre question and answer about the scope of the law:

    Another link in the article -- http://yorkhousingauthority.com/files/2012 Smoke Free policy.pdf -- leads to the official rules from the housing authority itself. The rules mention "smoking" is banned. The closest the rules come to defining "smoking," is:

    Note the use of the word, "burning" throughout the entire paragraph.

    It seems the housing authority has never actually seen an e-cig.
     
  2. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Mailing Address:
    York Housing Authority
    31 South Broad Street
    York, PA 17403

    Phone: (717) 845-2601
    Fax: (717) 845-9251
    TDD Phone: (717) 846-9157
     
  3. Vocalek

    Vocalek CASAA Activist ECF Veteran

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    Maybe they think we use batteries to set fire to tobacco.
     
  4. Hulamoon

    Hulamoon Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Or to put it another way,.....exactly how do they plan to stop us when we're vamping up a storm? Why do all the ignorant arrogant nitwits go into legislation? Where are the smart ones?
     
  5. Hulamoon

    Hulamoon Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    vamping? uhhh....should be Vaping lol
     
  6. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Here's my take on it...

    There are probably plenty of smart and well-meaning folks that go into politics.
    You'll find them at the lower levels of government, such as City Councils and the like.

    Their bad decisions can often be put down to ignorance, and lack of time to research the fundamentals of each and every issue.
    And media brain-washing, and trusted sources of information that are often very misleading and even deceptive.

    This is why CASAA (and those of us who support them) have been able to have such an impact at those levels.

    CASAA, and those vapors who care enough to write letters and appear in person when possible are the ones making a difference.
    Education can often go a long way in these venues, for these people are often well-meaning at this point.

    And I hope as we get to be a larger force, we will not only continue to do so, but become even more effective.

    But sadly, in my opinion, an honest and well-intentioned politician can not get very far in the political arena under most circumstances.
    The system is built on compromise, give-and-take, and scratching backs.

    In other words, it is completely corrupted.

    And then there are those who get into politics knowing all these things.
    And in fact, looking forward to them, and counting on them.

    They are very likely also quite smart most of the time, but they never were well-intentioned.
    They are the ones that move up the ranks, the ones that advance, because they are working with the system.

    It seems unlikely to me that the system was purposely designed this way.
    It's just that human nature tends to make the system this way.

    And really, I think that rule applies to pretty much every political system on the face of the earth.
    From the beginning of time.

    I really hope I'm wrong, because this is not a conclusion I enjoy having arrived at.
     
  7. Vocalek

    Vocalek CASAA Activist ECF Veteran

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    There's a ring of truth to what you say, DC2.
     
  8. Eric A. Blair

    Eric A. Blair Senior Member ECF Veteran

    OPEN LETTER TO BIG PHARMA FRONT GROUPS...

    Dear ASH, ANR, CTFK:

    I don't want to inadvertently help you in your goal of enriching your benefactors peddling their gums and patches. You are pros and know that what you are doing is a joke. You have to find different tricks to coerce vapers to buy your sponsors products.

    This is unenforceable. Ecigs are odorless you dumbasses. Your model legislation is a joke. I live in NJ where your pharma buddies passed a ban and I COULD vape in my office all day. I don't. I go outside in the rain and cold. I only chew Nicorette in my office.

    Find some different lies to keep your six figure job and keep paying the lease on your Mercedes Benz E350.
     
  9. Eric A. Blair

    Eric A. Blair Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Who am I kidding?

    I blow vapor at the computer screen while laughing hysterically about what you would have to do in a real job.

    God has a sense of humor.
     
  10. Eric A. Blair

    Eric A. Blair Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Who am I kidding?

    I blow vapor at the computer screen while laughing hysterically about what you would have to do in a real job.

    God has a sense of humor.
     
  11. Bill Godshall

    Bill Godshall Executive Director
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    I'll call the York Housing Authority next week to resolve this discrepency (and stupidity of trying to ban e-cig use in housing).
     
  12. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Thanks for bumping this, because I forgot I was going to call them...

    Mailing Address:
    York Housing Authority
    31 South Broad Street
    York, PA 17403

    Phone: (717) 845-2601
    Fax: (717) 845-9251
    TDD Phone: (717) 846-9157
     
  13. TNT

    TNT Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    An update. Richard D. Fox, Executive Director of the York Housing Authority wrote a letter to the editor that was published on the York Daily Record website: Letter: Why the York Housing Authority is snuffing out smoking - The York Daily Record

    Part of it concerns the authority's decision to ban e-cigs. I will leave his words speak for themselves:

     
  14. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Bill, have you called these idiots yet?

    I already wrote them, but now after hearing that assclown I am going to call them.
    But I would like to know what your experience was before I call them.

    Basically I just want to know if I should try to reason with them, or just cuss them out.
     
  15. bryansthl

    bryansthl Senior Member ECF Veteran

  16. JD4x4

    JD4x4 Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    All the rest of second-hand tobacco smoke content issues aside ... do we have any decent nicotine content in second-hand vapor research yet that we can cite? Anyone have any links?
     
  17. rothenbj

    rothenbj Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I knew you were lying. :)
     
  18. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I think the post above yours is probably the best.
    There are others I think, but there are some questions about them.
     
  19. Placebo Effect

    Placebo Effect Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Thank you for posting this. I'd like to speak with you. Please call me the second you get this. I've PMed you my number.
     
  20. Placebo Effect

    Placebo Effect Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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