A bit annoyed: vaping indoors all of a sudden upset ONE coworker
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till the day they can garentee the air isnt full of pollution, is the day i will care about what my vape does to others....
This is only my humble opinion after giving up smoking after 38 years and now
being 60 years old and having the perspective that comes with age.
Anyone one that thinks they have to vape using high powered gear or low ohm
builds as mater of course to get their needs fulfilled is fooling themselves.
A simple cigalike or small ego type set up with the right juice can get anybody
through the day if work or other social engagements require one to be discrete.
There seems to be a prevailing narcissism in today's culture that annoys me
to no end. Remember what the song said." You can't always get what you want
but, if you try sometimes you just might find you can get what you need."
Regards
Mike
If it would be improper to smoke in a location or setting.. IMO, it improper to vape there, also. I live in California. It has been illegal to smoke and by extention vape Indoors in public places for almost 30 years. Heck I was so use to it as a smoker that I didn't like going to casinos anymore, mainly Vegas, because of the cigarette smell.
the only place on the planet I vape, where I didn't smoke. Is in my own house. For me the rules have not changed just the Device I use to supply my Habit.
It is rude to vape where others would be bothered. Might not be fair, but we should attempt to NOT be rude with our vaping. Life is NOT fair. GET USED TO IT.. Our collective Holier than though vaping attitude is opne of the main things I don't like about Vapers. Especially EX smoker vapers. You Vape, ecigarette or whatever PC term you choose to use. Looks to the world like smoking, therefore to the world it IS smoking, GET USED TO IT.
the only place on the planet I vape, where I didn't smoke. Is in my own house. For me the rules have not changed just the Device I use to supply my Habit.
It is rude to vape where others would be bothered. Might not be fair, but we should attempt to NOT be rude with our vaping. Life is NOT fair. GET USED TO IT.. Our collective Holier than though vaping attitude is opne of the main things I don't like about Vapers. Especially EX smoker vapers. You Vape, ecigarette or whatever PC term you choose to use. Looks to the world like smoking, therefore to the world it IS smoking, GET USED TO IT.
I agree with you but when you have something you enjoy more than real cigarettes, it makes the quitting process much easier. Yes you can get nicotine from simpler sources that may be more discrete but you are just 'making do' in which case you are more likely to pack it in and go back to the smellies. This is just my opinion as someone in the same boat as him having quit just a few days ago after smoking from the age of 12 ( that's way too many years ago).This is only my humble opinion after giving up smoking after 38 years and now
being 60 years old and having the perspective that comes with age.
Anyone one that thinks they have to vape using high powered gear or low ohm
builds as mater of course to get their needs fulfilled is fooling themselves.
A simple cigalike or small ego type set up with the right juice can get anybody
through the day if work or other social engagements require one to be discrete.
There seems to be a prevailing narcissism in today's culture that annoys me
to no end. Remember what the song said." You can't always get what you want
but, if you try sometimes you just might find you can get what you need."
Regards
Mike
For the past 5ish years I have used the fact that I was ill as an excuse to not quit smoking. What was the point if the worst that can happen has already happened to you? But now I don't need an excuse to not quit because I enjoy dripping more. Everyone is different, smoker or not but of the evidence and research I'm aware of, it seems that more of it would suggest that people shouldn't be worried about passive vaping than they should.
The people that have a problem with it seem to be poorly educated sheeple or just awkward people. I have no time for these people.
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There are some locations (usually outside, but restricted) where it would be OK enough to take a tiny drag from a cig and put it out, but far more practical to take a drag or 2 off a vape.
Completely agree with this. We vape yes but not to force it on others. Anywhere I used to smoke I'll vape. If you can't smoke in a place don't vape there. The only exception is I never smoked in my house but a can vape in there. I even dislike the smell of smokes. I'll share a area with them but it does not make me want to smoke again.
That sounds good on paper I however think it rude to assume on someone else's behalf
that they would be offended. My personal experience indicates otherwise. We need not
be afraid of those other people. They really do not exist. The whiners among us would
just whine about something else if vaping and smoking simply disappeared. We are slowly
evolving into a culture that can not simply and amicably work things out ourselves.
Regards
mike
Why?
Knowing full well, of course, that no answer you can give will seem logical.
And knowing full well, that you'll still feel the same even so.
And even when you answer that, in a way that doesn't seem to make sense...
I'm gonna start asking why it's improper to smoke in certain places...
Like parks or beaches, or parking lots...
Hmmm, maybe I just need an explanation of what is proper and what is not?
And more importantly, why...
It's actually easy. There are some people who consider potential risk or harm as
actually meaning there will be risk or harm. They forget that there is an equal chance
that there will be no risk or harm.
I choose the path of if there is no provable risk there is no harm.
Regards
Mike
We as vapers are not forcing anything on others. Vaping is not smoking.
The others are just looking for an excuse to treat their fellow man as
someone they can treat as a sub-human.
Vape normally and vape everywhere.
Mike
It's usually only new vapers.
And they don't decide to be ashamed, they come here already ashamed.
That's due to the decades-long propaganda efforts that have beaten them down as smokers.
Beaten them down to the point where they have even internalized it.
It generally takes a bit of learning and understanding to not be ashamed.
That takes some time.
But it often takes years to turn the corner and be angry about what has been done to them.
I vape. I vape where I can. Where I can is where there are no 'No Vaping' signs posted.
If I'm challenged, as I have been, "Oh, can you not do that I heard it is harmful as secondhand smoke", I will say it's not and then continue to vape.
I think to a person, they have all scowled and walked away.
I don't blow clouds, don't make an issue of it.
I vape. Don't make any friends among the shrill folk who walk around looking to be offended. But, I vape.
IMO people are always in need of some group to pick on, to feel superior to. No colored people. Oops, can't do that. No gays! Oops, can't do that. Filthy smoker! Oops, smokers have been banished from sight pretty much.
Damn vaper, get him! And so it goes...
If I'm challenged, as I have been, "Oh, can you not do that I heard it is harmful as secondhand smoke", I will say it's not and then continue to vape.
I think to a person, they have all scowled and walked away.
I don't blow clouds, don't make an issue of it.
I vape. Don't make any friends among the shrill folk who walk around looking to be offended. But, I vape.
IMO people are always in need of some group to pick on, to feel superior to. No colored people. Oops, can't do that. No gays! Oops, can't do that. Filthy smoker! Oops, smokers have been banished from sight pretty much.
Damn vaper, get him! And so it goes...
Maybe I'm just an exception. The minute I switched I was quite amazed at the efficacy and proud of myself. And after a month when the true blessings it bestowed upon me became evident, I became a militant pro-vaper. I did and still do believe it's a miracle for humanity (worth shoving down everybody's throats).
In this day and age when even movies get a PG rating (instead of a G) and a warning for parents that smoking is depicted in the movie, it is shows you how powerful the anti-tobacco (and now anti-nicotine) crowd is.
There is a very vocal segment of the population that believes they will live forever if you don't smoke and I've yet to find any way to change their minds. Now they are reacting even worse against vaping.
When it comes to indoor vaping - especially in a public place - I just discovered that some vape flavors leave an obnoxious odor. A guy came into my office Friday (where I freely vape whatever I want because I'm the boss) and his vape left an aroma I definitely did not enjoy.
I will continue my personal policy of being discrete and odorless when vaping indoors in public. Less chance of someone raising hell about it.
Rant:
Well this thread took a turn for the worse. Myself, being vaping for about 4 or so years already, don't want to see anyone vaping in a place where smoking isn't allowed without explicit allowance to do so. It makes you guys, who vape wherever you go look like .......s, which in turn makes everyone who vapes look like an ........ This is just my own opinion though, you have yours, I have mine. I still don't get why people feel the need to vape wherever they want without any regard for other people. Smoking is more harmful than vaping, that's true. But vaping in a place where smoking isn't allowed is harmful to the whole vaping industry. Sure, it might feel like a little thing, but you explicitly make the people seeing you vaping inside a Walmart for example, get the feeling that every vaper is like that.
A small question for all vapers, who think that it's allowed to vape wherever you please and those who vape where smoking is allowed: What do you think is more harmful for vapers all over the world: News articles saying 3 people were blowing clouds inside a store where smoking isn't allowed or a news article saying vapers are good people and vape where smoking is allowed?
Also, what gives you the permission to vape inside a grocery store for example if smoking inside isn't allowed. All I'm asking is that did common sense get lost somewhere along the road from switching from smoking to vaping?
Edit: Also, I'm proud to be a vaper, but I'm more ashamed of people who think they can do whatever they want just because they are vapers and they should be allowed to do whatever they want.
/Rant
Just my 2 cents.
Well this thread took a turn for the worse. Myself, being vaping for about 4 or so years already, don't want to see anyone vaping in a place where smoking isn't allowed without explicit allowance to do so. It makes you guys, who vape wherever you go look like .......s, which in turn makes everyone who vapes look like an ........ This is just my own opinion though, you have yours, I have mine. I still don't get why people feel the need to vape wherever they want without any regard for other people. Smoking is more harmful than vaping, that's true. But vaping in a place where smoking isn't allowed is harmful to the whole vaping industry. Sure, it might feel like a little thing, but you explicitly make the people seeing you vaping inside a Walmart for example, get the feeling that every vaper is like that.
A small question for all vapers, who think that it's allowed to vape wherever you please and those who vape where smoking is allowed: What do you think is more harmful for vapers all over the world: News articles saying 3 people were blowing clouds inside a store where smoking isn't allowed or a news article saying vapers are good people and vape where smoking is allowed?
Also, what gives you the permission to vape inside a grocery store for example if smoking inside isn't allowed. All I'm asking is that did common sense get lost somewhere along the road from switching from smoking to vaping?
Edit: Also, I'm proud to be a vaper, but I'm more ashamed of people who think they can do whatever they want just because they are vapers and they should be allowed to do whatever they want.
/Rant
Just my 2 cents.
1) Smear a tube of anchovy paste beneath her chair.
2) Order some black bear (or buck) urine on the interweb (used for hunting), hose it on the floor around her desk.
3) Cram a large potato in her exhaust pipe.
Three simple steps should give you a few days to refine long term strategy.....
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