A bit annoyed: vaping indoors all of a sudden upset ONE coworker

[jensy]

Rant:
Well this thread took a turn for the worse. Myself, being vaping for about 4 or so years already, don't want to see anyone vaping in a place where smoking isn't allowed without explicit allowance to do so. It makes you guys, who vape wherever you go look like .......s, which in turn makes everyone who vapes look like an ........ This is just my own opinion though, you have yours, I have mine. I still don't get why people feel the need to vape wherever they want without any regard for other people. Smoking is more harmful than vaping, that's true. But vaping in a place where smoking isn't allowed is harmful to the whole vaping industry. Sure, it might feel like a little thing, but you explicitly make the people seeing you vaping inside a Walmart for example, get the feeling that every vaper is like that.

A small question for all vapers, who think that it's allowed to vape wherever you please and those who vape where smoking is allowed: What do you think is more harmful for vapers all over the world: News articles saying 3 people were blowing clouds inside a store where smoking isn't allowed or a news article saying vapers are good people and vape where smoking is allowed?

Also, what gives you the permission to vape inside a grocery store for example if smoking inside isn't allowed. All I'm asking is that did common sense get lost somewhere along the road from switching from smoking to vaping?

Edit: Also, I'm proud to be a vaper, but I'm more ashamed of people who think they can do whatever they want just because they are vapers and they should be allowed to do whatever they want.
/Rant

Just my 2 cents.

If there is a no vaping sign I will not vape. If there is a no smoking sign I pay no attention because I do not smoke. Quit associating vaping with smoking that is a problem in itself.

 

[Lova]

If there is a no vaping sign I will not vape. If there is a no smoking sign I pay no attention because I do not smoke. Quit associating vaping with smoking that is a problem in itself.

I understand that, but do most of the people seeing you vape understand that? Also, mainstream media has got it's hold on vaping, so more and more people look at vaping being dangerous for them, no matter what you say or show them. Vaping where smoking isn't allowed is just adding fuel to the fire. People are already afraid of what's in the liquids used in vaping and second-hand vapor, even though there is no such thing as second hand vapor.

I personally say this: I won't tolerate seeing people vape in places where smoking isn't allowed, as that's what's causing more and more media attention to things we are trying to keep legal all over the world.

I don't associate vaping with smoking, but most of the people who only read mainstream media releases do, as it's extremely similar to smoke in consistency and otherwise.

All I ask is for some common sense when all these regulations are deeming vaping to be illegal all over the world.

 

[GregoryHomes]

OMG, I literally cried in laughter when reading the story because I imagined the expression of your colleague while faking choking because of the emissions from the e-cigarette

 

[Nermal]

I don't associate vaping with smoking, but most of the people who only read mainstream media releases do, as it's extremely similar to smoke in consistency and otherwise.

That might have been true in 2010. This is 2016.

What's the worst that can come of vaping where smoking is not allowed? Sure, vaping could be explicitly prohibited in those areas - which is exactly what you advocate, anyway.

 

[Lova]

That might have been true in 2010. This is 2016.

What's the worst that can come of vaping where smoking is not allowed? Sure, vaping could be explicitly prohibited in those areas - which is exactly what you advocate, anyway.

Did you read anything I said in that post? Over here in EU, there is massive fights against outlawing vaping. Max tank size would be 2ml, no mail orders, tanks must be leakproof, max 20mg/ml nicotine, max 10ml bottles, 500€/year fee for store owners, tests must be excecuted for all products in store etc etc, the list goes on and on. If this keeps on going, then it might just be 2010 or 2008 regarding vaping equipment.

Also, vaping in a store which doesn't explicitly deny vaping is the force that drives media forwards. And no, I'm not an advocate for these regulations to be good. All I'm saying is that have some common sense, and don't give the deciders any extra reasons to ban vaping.

Hate me or not, but regarding another thing: This whole diacetyl drama going on with media regarding bans and regulations is started by vapers themselves. We cried wolf, and the media and governments followed.

 

[snork]

A small question for all vapers, who think that it's allowed to vape wherever you please and those who vape where smoking is allowed: What do you think is more harmful for vapers all over the world: News articles saying 3 people were blowing clouds inside a store where smoking isn't allowed or a news article saying vapers are good people and vape where smoking is allowed?

I've never seen a news article saying either thing on any major media outlet. I do see PLENTY of bought and paid for propaganda emanating from entities which prey upon the gullibility of the masses, capitalizing on the groundwork they've already laid to keep the money flowing. Where I live, with little exception, the average person on the street doesn't give a HOOT whether there are vapers around doing their little vape tricks. The propaganda is designed to change their minds. The more we show the public that vaping ISN'T smoking, ISN'T evil, CAN be done anywhere anytime for any reason at all without causing the end of the world is the ONLY way to combat the propaganda. I refuse to roll over and let society be so manipulated.

Also, what gives you the permission to vape inside a grocery store for example if smoking inside isn't allowed. All I'm asking is that did common sense get lost somewhere along the road from switching from smoking to vaping?

Common sense dictates to me that since my vaping is completely non-disruptive to other's people's lives I act accordingly. I must be very good at it, no complaints.

 

[Nermal]

Did you read anything I said in that post?

Of course I read your post. If I hadn't, I'm fairly sure I would not have replied. I think you missed my point. If you have a right and choose to not exercise it for fear of losing it, you lose nothing by exercising it. It was your choice not to have it.

 

[Bunnykiller]

how come there are no laws against ".... burping" in elevators?? I find that more revolting than someone smoking a ciggie 10 feet away from me...

 

[braveminion]

how come there are no laws against ".... burping" in elevators?? I find that more revolting than someone smoking a ciggie 10 feet away from me...

I second that

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[skoony]

I still don't get why people feel the need to vape wherever they want without any regard for other people.

Who and where are these mysterious other people you keep refering too? Those so called other people are one of the greatest ANTZ inventions of all times. 99.9% of the real people would not take the time
to be bothered if it were not for the 0.01 % of the whiners that have to be offended by something to givesome meaning to their pathetic meaningless lives. I vape everywhere. No one cares.

Vaping where smoking isn't allowed is just adding fuel to the fire.

First vaping is not smoking and should not be treated as such. There is no comparison. What adds fuel
to the fire is when we ourselves skulk around as if we are doing something wrong. We are not doing
something wrong. We are doing something right. it's about time we acted like it. I am.

Regards
Mike

 

[jensy]

I understand that, but do most of the people seeing you vape understand that? Also, mainstream media has got it's hold on vaping, so more and more people look at vaping being dangerous for them, no matter what you say or show them. Vaping where smoking isn't allowed is just adding fuel to the fire. People are already afraid of what's in the liquids used in vaping and second-hand vapor, even though there is no such thing as second hand vapor.

I personally say this: I won't tolerate seeing people vape in places where smoking isn't allowed, as that's what's causing more and more media attention to things we are trying to keep legal all over the world.

I don't associate vaping with smoking, but most of the people who only read mainstream media releases do, as it's extremely similar to smoke in consistency and otherwise.

All I ask is for some common sense when all these regulations are deeming vaping to be illegal all over the world.

You said you will not tolerate people vaping where smoking is not allowed, so if a vaper won't tolerate it how do you ever expect non vapers to ever understand.

When I vape I welcome anyone to come up to me and get mad, question etc because then I can then start to teach them about vaping. If we hide what we do it only enforces the negative untruths about vaping.

 

[DC2]

Maybe I'm just an exception. The minute I switched I was quite amazed at the efficacy and proud of myself. And after a month when the true blessings it bestowed upon me became evident, I became a militant pro-vaper. I did and still do believe it's a miracle for humanity (worth shoving down everybody's throats).

Oh, certainly there are exceptions.
I was sort of speaking "in general" terms.


In fact, I am definitely an exception myself in that I was never ashamed of smoking.
And I most certainly am not, and never have been ashamed of vaping.

 

[Lova]

You said you will not tolerate people vaping where smoking is not allowed, so if a vaper won't tolerate it how do you ever expect non vapers to ever understand.

When I vape I welcome anyone to come up to me and get mad, question etc because then I can then start to teach them about vaping. If we hide what we do it only enforces the negative untruths about vaping.

I do understand vaping where smoking is allowed. But feel free to try and vape in a store over here in Finland, I'll be more than glad to see you get kicked out of a store for vaping indoors where smoking isn't allowed. Same goes for bars and clubs. It's not socially appropriate to blow clouds wherever you walk, and that's kinda the reason why I see this whole "It's not banned to vape here, so I vape here" as kind of an "douche" move from vapers. I'd never imagine vaping or blowing clouds in a grocery store, which is why I don't get why it should or is allowed to be done over the ocean there in the states. People don't understand the real risks of vaping in general, and it's seen as being a douche when you don't even ask if it's okay to vape in some place. But feel free to do whatever you please. And as I have already said, I'm more than happy to see people get kicked out of places, where vaping isn't explicitly banned. And I will go up to a person vaping inside a store and ask him why the fck is he vaping there as there's no smoking allowed. I do understand people asking in a bar for example that if vaping inside outside the smoking section is allowed, but I don't understand people just vaping in a bar without asking any permissions and then complaining online about "How they aren't allowed to do this and that because it's not banned or not allowed to do there".

Just my 2 cents as always.

 

[Grimwald]

There is a difference between the logical issue and the legal issue. Logically the secretary is an PIA. Any of us who are long term smokers have had to deal with people like this for years. Anything you can do to illustrate the hypocrisy is OK with me.

Legally, however, you're pretty much screwed. Until the FDA declares vaping to be healthy and not dangerous (unlikely), you will lose any outright confrontation on this issue. I, for one, would not put my boss in a no win situation.

 

[skoony]

I do understand vaping where smoking is allowed. But feel free to try and vape in a store over here in Finland, I'll be more than glad to see you get kicked out of a store for vaping indoors where smoking isn't allowed. Same goes for bars and clubs. It's not socially appropriate to blow clouds wherever you walk, and that's kinda the reason why I see this whole "It's not banned to vape here, so I vape here" as kind of an "douche" move from vapers. I'd never imagine vaping or blowing clouds in a grocery store, which is why I don't get why it should or is allowed to be done over the ocean there in the states. People don't understand the real risks of vaping in general, and it's seen as being a douche when you don't even ask if it's okay to vape in some place. But feel free to do whatever you please. And as I have already said, I'm more than happy to see people get kicked out of places, where vaping isn't explicitly banned. And I will go up to a person vaping inside a store and ask him why the fck is he vaping there as there's no smoking allowed. I do understand people asking in a bar for example that if vaping inside outside the smoking section is allowed, but I don't understand people just vaping in a bar without asking any permissions and then complaining online about "How they aren't allowed to do this and that because it's not banned or not allowed to do there".

Just my 2 cents as always.

Finland!,that explains a lot. I don't recall that I personally said anything about blowing clouds.
Here in Saint Paul MN,USA I vape everywhere. I am not blowing clouds everywhere. I do not
try to hide nor disguise what I am doing, I just do it with out blowing clouds as I am not a poser.
No one three aisles away from the cereal needs to be aware that I am vaping. No one on the bus
need to offended by voluminous clouds obscuring the wonderful scenery on Payne or Arcade avenues
here in the rustic and picturesque East Side. No one in the check out lines at Target is getting
gassed out by a horrible stench. It's all good.
On the other hand when I am in Finland I will do as the Finlanders do.

Regards
Mike

 

[DC2]

I get both sides of the argument...

Vaping is probably considered inconsiderate by most people.
And they are full of crap for the most part.

Unless, of course, some ......... is being a ..........
Which also, of course, does happen.

So yeah, that leaves us pretty much right here.

Don't vape and tacitly admit that vaping is "doing something wrong" which feeds the fire.
Or do what is right, and tick people off even when not being a ........., which feeds the fire.

The people who we should be going after are the people that PUT us in this ridiculous situation.
But that's just my two cents showing.

 

[Hans Wermhat]

To the OP... Most of the suggestions I ad have already been covered. (Deer urine, fart spray, ect...) But don't forget about stink bait for catfishing. A dab of that stuff under her desk and she will be spraying so much lysol in her own office it will make her look like the bad guy for sure. But yeah, you are pretty much boned no matter what. It will be easier for your boss to tell you not to vape indoors to placate her than to tel her to shut up about it. But if you volunteer to stop vaping indoors and she is going through 2 cans of lysol a day trying to mask the smell of this:
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She will be gone soon enough and you can start vaping again.

 

[jensy]

To the OP... Most of the suggestions I ad have already been covered. (Deer urine, fart spray, ect...) But don't forget about stink bait for catfishing. A dab of that stuff under her desk and she will be spraying so much lysol in her own office it will make her look like the bad guy for sure. But yeah, you are pretty much boned no matter what. It will be easier for your boss to tell you not to vape indoors to placate her than to tel her to shut up about it. But if you volunteer to stop vaping indoors and she is going through 2 cans of lysol a day trying to mask the smell of this:
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She will be gone soon enough and you can start vaping again.

Ahhh yes, you my dear man have a beautiful mind.

 

[ashes to batteries]

I hesitate to assume she's being ridiculous for the sake of ridiculous. I cape. My ex vapes. And you know, he has vaped some flavors that make me want to retch last week's lunch and claw my own nose off. So....maybe she legit thinks your cape stinks, maybe it legit bothers her. And honestly, in the work place, it's ridiculous she should be able to smell it from so far away. There are lots of things I love that are legal, socially acceptable and harmless to others that are plain not appropriate in a work environment. Time and place, context.

And that's all people giving the side eye to public vaping are saying. There is a time and place for everything.

I love skinny jeans I have to pour myself into and cleavage bearing shirts, and technically it doesn't break the dress code. I shouldn't be ashamed of my body. But. Time and context. It's simply not appropriate even if allowed at work.

Same thing with highly scented, high wattage vaping.

 

[Nermal]

<snip> I'll be more than glad to see you get kicked out of a store for vaping indoors where smoking isn't allowed.

That's all I need to know.