Can't argue with what you feel.
I'm very spiritual and hold reverence for places of worship.
With that said, I'd vape in these places, but not in all occasions in these places.
A bit annoyed: vaping indoors all of a sudden upset ONE coworker
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Can't argue with what you feel.
I'm very spiritual and hold reverence for places of worship.
With that said, I'd vape in these places, but not in all occasions in these places.
Sorry - should've explained it in the earlier post.
Museums - you simply don't want to release any amount of humectant into a museum environment. (Let alone unknown / uncontrolled amounts.) It's a very fine-tuned precarious thing to set and maintain the optimum humidity etc. conditions (esp. in "mixed materia" spaces), exhaled vape in the air is the least thing you want there.
Heck, if it was up to me, i would ban breathing in museums. (You can guess i used to work in the museum industry...Ban people - problem solved!)
Libraries - basically the same as for museums, above.
I thought that's what you were going for.
How about a restroom in either of these (type of) places?
It would seem that breathing in all these places you are noting is, or ought to be, as much of an issue as vaping. I'm thinking many/most people would say not the same, until scientific data were shown to them to show it is similar thing.
But seeing that all these places you named generally have restrooms and those are inside the buildings/premises, then if I (or anyone) vape there, I would be able to say I vaped on those premises, and likely didn't adversely affect anything of the particular establishment that would be 'reasonable' cause for concern.
And if I were with people that are OC about the humectant thing but apparently didn't get bent out of shape over human breathing, it would be challenging for me to understand how my little device would suddenly lead to them being bent out of shape. I'd like to see that explained.
Restroom / lobby / smoking/vaping room / whatyouhave is 1000% fine.
On average, 8 out of 10 "museum people" of all professions i ever knew or worked with smoked like a diesel, myself included (make that 9 out of 10, more like). It's just that you don't do it where sensitive materia can be exposed to it (like storage, workshop, etc.). Exhibition spaces with high visitor footfall are one of those situations. The rest is ok.
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Have you not heard of the Church of Latter Day Vapers??? You can have multiple Mods and Atties... and one is Baptised in a room full of Vape...
The statements you've made set you up for being targeted as a socialist, not your hair.
In the US, your hair would set you up to be either a Smurf look alike or a very stubborn individualist, part of a fringe element with a ton of opinion, yet so young as not to be bothered with arguing b/c you haven't lived long enough to be taken seriously.
Agreed.
Either strongly disagree, or don't understand why person's hair style is suddenly fair game in this thread for addressing characteristics of a fellow forum member.
IMO, blue hair is common enough in the U.S. and is so trivial in relation to what a person is actually like. So many things now that can be altered about a person's physical appearance, that I don't really see it affecting characteristic traits to point where stereotyping is now perfectly rational / appropriate. Me, I barely understand the need for ear rings (for anyone on any part of the body) and yet have learned to accept that this is a rather trivial thing that a lot of people like to do.
when I vape in my car it leaves and oily residue on the windshield would likely do the same thing to paintings in a museum. breathing does not leave this residue. I do not vape in church because I don't go into churches. afraid the building might fall down if I did
I responded to the subject matter, did not bring it up. We ALL have a level of liberal/conservative mindset and pass judgement upon everyone within 10 seconds.
I don't chuck clouds at anyone. But if anyone verbally assaulted me for vaping, they can expect the same back. One thing I am not is timid.
I think breathing does leave the residue, but is not as pronounced. Not like when we breath (normally) we are inhaling and exhaling at the same rate as when we vape (longer / deeper breaths). Also, the residue I imagine varies by device type. My little devices barely leave a residue. I've never noticed it when indoors anywhere and used to notice it in my car at certain times and not at all at other (most) times.
Space inside a car compared to space inside a museum strike me as vastly different in volume. Thus, it would seem odd to think just cause exhaled vape behaves in a particular way (occasionally) in a car that this is how it is everywhere. If I thought that, I'd possibly be reluctant to leave my residue outdoors. Who knows, perhaps my little eCig device is the cause of Climate Change. Whoops. Just gave ANTZ another item to use in their ongoing war.
My 85%-87% PG vape does not leave any residue. I've been vaping inside our truck for nearly 2 yrs now, and the windows are no worse than they were when I started. No, we don't clean it very often... which just goes to show you, no residue -- if there was, we'd have HAD to clean it.
Andria
Yup, there's that too - but the less obvious problem is that glycerin binds water to (or, in the case of absolute (pure) G, draws out from) the material it's applied to. Which can be pretty disastrous for textile, certain metals, leather, paper, etc. Tobacco smoke is actually much more harmless in that respect than airborne glycerin droplets.when I vape in my car it leaves and oily residue on the windshield would likely do the same thing to paintings in a museum. breathing does not leave this residue. I do not vape in church because I don't go into churches. afraid the building might fall down if I did
(Used to use a lot of glycerin for leather conservation back in the days... well, still do, but on bags, not on museum articles)
So me trying to explain my opinion is socialism? Also Ad Hominem habitus has been strong against me in this thread already. I like to dye my hair to every colour in the rainbow and get different types of bodymods, suddenly that makes me a "smurf look-alike" or "stubborn individualist"? I don't get why attack me personally when you could just counterargue my points. My opinion is most likely a "culture shock" which in term makes me look like a socialist to you, so I won't bother arguing against you guys anymore. You have your own ways of living, and I have mine.
Precisely, this is a thing we can both agree on.
Okay, I do submit that I've been in the wrong, but I count it to as being "culture shock", as vaping indoors in a place where smoking is not allowed would be pretty disasterous, and possibly get you fined around here.
I do see both sides of the whole argument, and understand both sides, but labeling me as a socialist based on my looks and profile pic is labeling at its worst in my opinion.
I do see me being harsh on some arguments of mine, and I do apologize for that. But attacking someone personally based on the text they are writing and their profile picture is a big no-no in my books.
I apologize to you guys personally, and to everyone other I've insulted through my arguments. I see how things go all over the world, and everyone is their own lord, so I don't really have any say in that and I do understand that. I've been quite stressed out lately, so I might have not been the best arguer out there to-date.
I hope we all can just be relaxed about this whole thing that went on, and I still feel rather bad about some of my comments. Let's just say both sides of this whole "argument war" could've been more friendly to eachother.
Peace, and vape on
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For reasons I am to tired to reference it doesn't mater what Pg/Vg attracts or does not
attract. Those thing were there in the first place. They will still be there and detectable
doing what they do vapor or not. If one is destroying personal correspondence(paper) by vapor
contamination they are doing it wrong.
leather, textiles and metal??????
Regards
Mike
Well it's not like they burst into oblivion in a bang just like that, but slowly deteriorate. (in some cases quickly though.) Talking about 600+ years old stuff, organic matter. (Metals are a different can of worms.) They need to be kept at peculiar, set humidity points throughout. (Now you made me look it up - both VG and PG are still commonly used in conservation, sorta reassuring to know that i vape highly conservative substances
). It's not contamination per se, but about fluking up that set & controlled optimal point. So that unidentifiable scrap of leather whatnot will survive another 800 years. Did i tell you that museum people are just as .... about that sort of thing as we are about wraps.
It's hard to explain. The word socialism as used in the US shouldn't be confused with the political ideology which bears that name. It's more like a tribal insult word, used interchangeably with communist, liberal, fascist, and many others. Similar words, sometimes even the same words, are lobbed back in the other direction. It's part of a strange American ritual which shouldn't be confused with the activity that other countries call politics.
Please don't be mad at me America, you know I love you.
Well, that explains a lot. So it's essentially a "mockword" for others who don't share the same interest/ideology as the person saying another is a socialist?It's hard to explain. The word socialism as used in the US shouldn't be confused with the political ideology which bears that name. It's more like a tribal insult word, used interchangeably with communist, liberal, fascist, and many others. Similar words, sometimes even the same words, are lobbed back in the other direction. It's part of a strange American ritual which shouldn't be confused with the activity that other countries call politics.
Please don't be mad at me America, you know I love you.
Still don't see how you could say that based on my profile pic without being judgemental and have some harsh predispositions.
Thanks for clearing it up for me
Indeed that is how it is.
In fact I have be told in no uncertain terms that commies and fascists are exactly the same.
Don't go anywhere... many did counter your arguments, in great detail.
No apologies necessary from anyone. Look, you're fine, I carry no grudges, and I doubt anyone here does. But understand, when you live with "commune-like" or socialist upbringing you argue as you have, "for the betterment of the group," against smokers and vapers, vaping outside of defined smoking areas. Vapers are not smokers and they do not want to labeled as such. Your arguments hit many as ANTZ related b/c you give them concepts and ideas they can use against us.
The facts are in, and vaping is not smoking, and is relatively harmless to smoking. B/c I do not work in the development of argumentation for vaping, there will be little offered here. This is a site for vapers, where we coalesce to talk about vaping trends, not to argue against those who want to shut us down.
If you are interested in arguing with MD's, DR's and scientists that protect vaping, go to my Twitter account, @GeneticSequence, subscribe to my Twitter list "Vape" and have at it. They will eat you alive. It's all they do all day...and they will chop you down like wheat chaff being steamrolled by a tank.
Also, the US isn't based on group think. It is libertarian based..."rugged individualism," especially where it is defined, in the US Constitution, and throughout the US, EXCEPT for the inner cities. The inner cities in the US is where socialism in the US has taken hold(Obama's territory).
You would know how the military works. People in the military get stripes, bars and stars based on what they do, what they've earned, and how long they have been in. Strangely colored hair in the US is a "dog whistle" for "not having been around long enough to matter," and I'm willing to bet you're overlooking how you are perceived outside of your peer group. In the US, you cannot enlist in the military with tattoos in most cases, "body mods" or anything like it, and I would think Finland is the same.
Nobody wants any issues with vaping, but the City, County, State and Federal Govts are shutting it down here, and only due to the libertarian mindset in the US is it going to survive. Rugged individuals who take on Govt, start and maintain the black markets. For 2016, that is where we in the US are headed, unless a miracle happens.
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