A family issue in D minor

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Butters78

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I'm glad my wife knows it's better for me. I didn't go into the details but she knows I research alot so that's good enough for her. As for my mom she lives in FL and doesn't know either way. She's cool though I'm excited to show her my pvs. I know she'll say "wow!" when she sees the vapor lol.
 

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Not only do I agree with Andy, keep the peace, be the bigger person. As a Mother who has apparently offended her son often I can truely say that sometimes we just say the wrong things :( I've gotten to the point that I'm afraid to say hardly anything to my 25 year old lest I "once again" offend him ... I guess it just depends on how much you want to "win" this one ...

BTW - I grew up in a very unsupportive family atmosphere where everything I did was wrong no matter what only to learn in later life just how difficult my parents lives were and how unhappy THEY were ... is this a possibly for you?

I'm not the type to get offended much. But you know...I mean sometimes when you feel you are just so right about a thing. And this is one of those things I feel very right about. It's not like politics or an opinion on who's the greatest pitcher of all time. There's a lot of sound science behind it. And then you have to just consider all these personal factors which I know are anecdotal but it's like Jesus H woman, I ran 13 miles in just over 2 hours. You can't run 2 blocks, don't lecture me.

But as you and others have stated, I need to just not win here.

As for you saying things to your son that might have been offensive, I have no idea what you might have said but going forward, positive reinforcement is always better than negative words.
 

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Dude, I know how you feel.

My father is a chain smoker (for the last 40 years), has emphysema, COPD, and asthma. He smokes, tried vaping, and put down the ego after one, yes one, puff. He hated it.

Now himself and my mother always tell me that my vaping will lead to smoking, it isn't safe, and I should stop.

Just as active as you are, I'm pretty big on working out too. I'm 22 now, but I've been a competing powerlifter since I was 17. I started smoking at 16. At 18, I collapsed during a deadlift because I couldn't breathe. So ever since I stopped smoking, I've been able to lift again (well, minus the tennis elbow) and be as active as ever. I couldn't do sprint intervals back then, now I'm doing them daily. HIIT ... right?

My father's sick and my mother is pretty much medically obese too. They both dawn down on me and never want to listen to my "theories" or "explanations" either. I even just finished up a pretty long paper on vaping of which they were uninterested in reading.

That's family for ya.
 

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So this past weekend, I went up to see my mom with my kids. We had lunch out on her porch. She has about 35 acres in southern Mississippi. It was nice.

My mom knows I vape. I've been doing it almost two years now. She says to me after lunch "you know, those things aren't good for you either, I heard they are just as bad, maybe worse". So being pretty well informed on vaping I was about to launch into my defense. I said to her "where didd you hear this?". She says "on the news". Then I started to speak again but she cut me off "I don't want to hear any of your THEORIES". And waves me off.

My mother is an otherwise very sweet, caring, thoughtful person. She'd do anything for me or my kids, etc. Salt of the earth.

This really ticked me off. To the point that the rest of the visit was ruined.

Here's why:

In the last 6 months, I've run two half-marathons. I run 20 miles a week. I bike another 30-50 and lift weights 2-3 times a week. I think I'm in pretty good shape for being 41. I eat healthy foods for the most part.

My mom, for lack of a better term is probably medically obese. Now, I could, if I wanted to...berate her every time I saw her about the fact that she's 50 lbs overweight and that she and not me is the one who's abusing her health.

I don't hate fat people and the point of my post isn't to hassle or gang up on anyone who's fat. We all make our choices in life. If my mom enjoys ice cream or meatballs or bacon, I really don't care. You can't live life without enjoying what you enjoy. If she doesn't want to exercise, well that's her choice as a grown adult. I'm not going to come over and bother her about it.

What is the point of this post vape nerd? I can hear you all asking.

I guess the only point is, am I wrong in feeling this way?

Or maybe the point is, what should I say to her next time this comes up?

I'm ruminating on it and I know that isn't good. I love my mother. She's wonderful. I wish I could stop being angry about it.






I'm the FIRST person I know to admit when I am wrong. I want to make that statement first, so you understand things in context.

However, my mind is like a sponge, and I believe knowledge should be cherished. With that said, pretty much any hobby, hobbit, or anything I take up or do, I allow myself to soak it all in.....to sit in the center of it, and to truly understand whatever it is I choose to allow into my life.

Vaping is no exception. Like must of us here, I like to know as much as I can. With that in mind, I have to ask what you are asking in specific? Do you want more knowledge to be better prepared to confront your mother next time she mentions it?

I don't think that will help. I also don't think you are lacking in knowledge. It sounds like you need to make a choice. Are you going to just let her speak her peace, and do your best to not focus on the incident?

If it bothered you so much that you came on here to post about it, you probably should take another approach, although I don't think "educating" her will help much. Some people, especially eldery people, watch the news constantly, and consider it a viable source of information. Us younger ones, in our late 20s and younger, understand the News is nothing more than propaganda pieces, often times (most times) written with a bias, and PROMOTED with a bias agenda.

If your mother doesn't see that, she probably won't listen to anything you have to say. I wouldn't mention her weight or health problems, because really it isn't the issue.

The issue is your mother believing what she hears on the news. If that is the case, there isn't much you can do, besides speak your OWN peace.....in a positive and brief manner.


Let her know that vaping is more or less safe......and that her OPINION that vaping is possibly MORE harmful than smoking cigs.....is a THEORY.....just like she claimed she DIDNT want to hear from you.
 

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to supermarket:

i posted this because i was more or less sure this type of thing has come up in families before ...judging by the responses it does come up pretty often

all i really wanted were people's opinions on it...sometimes it just helps to hear other people's stories, how they dealt with it, or just get a perspective and look at it a way you hadn't thought of it before...kicking the can around so to speak

it's been cathartic just to read these responses...

not every problem has a solution and i get that
 

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I've got a younger sister that drinks the kool-aid, all of it. Believes everything she hears on TV, and reads in the paper, she's the smartest person she knows, just ask her. She told me I was still smoking, and it was harmful. I tried to educate her, but she wouldn't even listen. I sent her reports on vaping, links to read, but she refuses to even consider she might be wrong. It has caused me ill feelings, but I know I have to just move on.

You are not alone, we must vape on without them.
 

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I'm so sorry you had to experience this. We are proud of ourselves for choosing a healthier alternative and we want our families to be proud of us too. When I told my doctors, nurses and therapists that I started vaping, they congratulated and encouraged me. When I told my dad, he said "Well, good luck with that." It was sarcastic and condescending and I was disappointed.

Be proud of yourself and know you will be around to see your kids grow up!
 

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to supermarket:

i posted this because i was more or less sure this type of thing has come up in families before ...judging by the responses it does come up pretty often

all i really wanted were people's opinions on it...sometimes it just helps to hear other people's stories, how they dealt with it, or just get a perspective and look at it a way you hadn't thought of it before...kicking the can around so to speak

it's been cathartic just to read these responses...

not every problem has a solution and i get that

It does...and whether it was debating politics with my brother or religion with my mother-in-law or both with some stranger on the Internet there is one thing I've learned...you can't rationalize someone out of something they haven't been rationalized into.

So, while I still enjoy the debates for the mental exercise and occasional insights, I've long ago stopped trying to "convert" my debate partner...'cause it ain't gonna happen.

Anecdotal evidence is still by and far the bread and butter of the irrational mind.
 

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The issue is your mother believing what she hears on the news.
If she is a liberal sit down with her and watch some Fox news together.
If she is a conservative sit down with her and watch some MSNBC News together.

That should break her from believing everything she hears on the news.
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Having always had a very straightforward relationship with my folks, my response would have been very direct. "If you choose to believe a parrot on the boob tube over your own son's first hand experience and facts to back them up, more power to ya ma."

At the end of the day we still get along fine but everyone's relationships are different :)
 

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to supermarket:

i posted this because i was more or less sure this type of thing has come up in families before ...judging by the responses it does come up pretty often

all i really wanted were people's opinions on it...sometimes it just helps to hear other people's stories, how they dealt with it, or just get a perspective and look at it a way you hadn't thought of it before...kicking the can around so to speak

it's been cathartic just to read these responses...

not every problem has a solution and i get that
Fortunately my friends and family are very supportive. Heck my wife has been asking me to check out e-cigs for several years. But I'm stubborn. So 5 weeks and 3 days ago I had a massive choking/coughing fit that lasted over 15 mins. My wife didn't say a word but her eyes spoke volumes.

Once I could talk again I said I would check them out. Now anyone that knows me knows that when I check something out I don't do it half way.

So, when I do encounter a person that is, basically attacking me because I vape, I will take a vape, exhale, look them right in eye (Marines have the ability to give really good impressive stares) and say "Bull-fill in the blank ". After that, if they want to learn a few things I'll be happy to educate them. Because I am educated on e-cigs and am learning more every day.

But even then, there those that will not listen no matter what the facts. Those people are labeled Idiots and, for the most part, are ignored. :)
 

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Bingo!!! Especially with your parents ...... ;-)~

I spoke to my Mother the other day (in fact as she lives in OKla I need to call her again. She's ok but ... ya know. :) ) and she mentioned that my sister-in-law was using "them electronic cigarettes" that she heard about. She said she wasn't sure about them. So I told her what I know of them and how they work. Then I told her that is what I was using to keep from smoking.

If anyone knows me, it's Moma. :) E-cigs are cool now. LOL!
 

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This has been a great thread.
You guys are so smart. No wonder I like this place.
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As I started reading, my first though to post was going to be "Dude...seek an emancipation....IMMEDIATELY"
But, after further reading, you have been given some great advice.
I'm proud of you and I don't even know you.
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i get the jibe..i might even have made it myself long ago

i learned in an introductory psychology course once that we are all seeking parental approval...even after the parents are long dead....i believe thats true..almost universally

im going to do what i want...i just dont understand the criticism
 

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If you have expressed your reasoning perfectly and she still believes differently then her belief isn't based on reason. She has the right to believe whatever she wants and I promise you its entirely logical within itself but to determine how to change her mind involves understanding the premise for her belief.

It could very well be that she doesn't believe they are bad for you, but that she is simply expressing a feeling to you. For, IF she expresses a concern for your well being AND the expression of the concern implies that she cares THEN expressing a concern equals the implication that she cares.

There's an ethical question in changing people minds through deductive reasoning, is it right? People have the right to believe whatever they want...An intelligent person may determine the premise behind her logic and yank it from her equation, but by forcing her accept reason you would be denying her expression of caring for you. What would a wise person do? Understand the basis for her belief and try to provide that for her.

I'm not saying this is her logical path. Its just an example. Im trying to express tolerance of beliefs.
 

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If the conversation is repeated, and if your mother is anything like mine it will be, just tell her that your doctor thinks they're the best thing since sliced bread and then change the subject. Hopefully that will give her the hint that the subject is off limits without putting either of you through unwanted stress.
 

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Forgive me folks for repeating anything that's already been said, but I want to chime in with my 2 cents as well. I don't think you're very much in the wrong here. It has been a noticeable trend to make villains out of smokers really ever since the big law suits and tax hikes. So, I think it's easy for folks to judge smokers. We see it in the number of places where smokers CAN'T be: no more inside smoking in public, limited smoking areas outside, smoke-free college campuses, etc.

Anyway, the point of my reply is empathy. My father has criticized my vaping while slugging down his 6th or 7th glass of wine of the night. He drinks pretty heavily, but he's also fairly responsible about it. So, I keep my mouth shut to keep the peace.
 

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It's been said but I will umm like 14th or so it here. Your mom is probably just concerned. You will always be her kid to her so she will do what she thinks is best. Hopefully over time her viewpoint on vaping will change, but don't try and argue. You're a good old southern boy and your mom has land. i bet she still has a woodshed she can take you to :D. NOLA born and raised myself.. I know..
 
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