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I smoked a pack a day for 47 years. Lot of that time I rolled my own so I don't really know how many I smoked. I was diagnosed with early stage of COPD and I was using Spiriva and another inhaler for a couple of years. Just after I started vaping my company insurance stopped covering COPD meds. I guess the insurance company Death Panel decided they could make more profit letting people with COPD croak. Turned out with not smoking I was fine without them. It's five years now and I'm doing OK. Turning 68 in a few days and I can still put in 4 hours mowing the lawn without running out of steam.

I'm in Canada, so I don't know how this applies. My perception was that in the UK the NHS covered medications.

But i've been working for a private insurance company for almost the last 10 years. My first two positions were in medical insurance. We actually don't make more profit in doing stuff like that, and generally avoid it. By far most plans are funded by the employer, and we make money by administering the plan. When a drug is not covered it's because the employer doesn't want it to be covered. My second position was doing overpayments and exceptions. In cases where a plan doesn't cover a medication the patient can get his or her doctor to send us a form showing what has been tried, what hasn't worked, and what they want to use the drug for. If all the other options have been exhausted and it's been approved by Health Canada to be used for treatment of the patient's illness, we usually (almost universally) approve it.

There's this misconception that we're greedy devils but nothing could be further from the truth. Two cases I remember from my time in that dept:

1) We had a growth hormone prescription for a kid. It was life sustaining but it wasn't indicated by Health Canada to be used to treat the kid's illness. The employer refused to cover it. Our director spent a day or two calling around until she got on the phone with the heads of the manufacturer. She managed to convince them to give the kid a free lifetime supply.

2) Last year we had a client in south east asia. He was very sick and very estranged from his family. He was stuck in a hospital and used up his out of country insurance. None of his family would help make arrangements to get him home, and he was too out of it to do anything himself. We paid for a private chartered plane with a nurse to go pick him up and being him home. There was no cost to him and we ate it because it was the right thing to do.

The two stories above were never printed in the media, no one has wrote about it in social media, and none of the people involved want any recognition what so ever. They're just interested in serving our clients. My bosses always had me ask myself the question "what's in the client's best interest" when making business decisions on reimbursements for fringe cases with no precedence. Even now, I work on the planning side of things, and the decisions we make are always customer focused. If we need to go over budget on hiring or overtime because the customer experience is suffering from slow turn around (cough Canada Post), we eat that cost and do what is right.

My mom also has COPD and is on the same medications. In her case because she's not employed, she's enrolled in provincial drug insurance programs. They pick up the bill and she just has to pay a small dispensing fee (here), and when she moved now it's a small annual deductible (something like $100 I think).

I can't speak for the UK, but here I think the problem is that people don't know their options or what steps they need to take to get the medication they need. The right to life is a constitutional right in this country, no one should ever die because of lack of medical coverage.

Edit: Another situation I just remember that's related to my last point. My aunt was diagnosed with Lupus and her insurance carrier is my employer. She was complaining about her drugs not being covered, costing so much, swearing about the company and saying things like "you need to go to your boss and tell him your company is .... and they are a bunch of scammers". I took 3 minutes to print off the medical exception forms, pointed to the sections her doctor needed to fill out, and the day of her appointment the request was filed, approved, and her drugs were reimbursed. Things look daunting from the outside, but I promise we're here to help.
 
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At my worst, 100grams of tobacco a week, during the final 5yrs, 50grams lasted 8-9 days. I smoked for 42yrs
What that means in cigs a day is hard to quantify, a roll your own cig can be as thin or as thick, as loose or as tight as the situation calls for.
 

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Started with Marlboro Lights, moved to Camel lights then finally Camel Wide Lights. One to one and a half packs a day for 27 years. I also dual-used with Copenhagen for 25 or so years. I was relatively immune to any adverse effects from my habit but towards the end I could start to feel it was taking a toll on me.
 
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I smoked 2 PAD for 32 years. (Full flavor Marlboro reds or L&M's on the cheap)

When I quit smoking I was having health problems concerning my ability to breathe and get enough oxygen, but I hadn't been diagnosed or even tested before I quit.

I had been trying to quit using other NRT's due to a throat cancer scare (diagnosed with a throat full of pre-cancer cells when I started having a hard time swallowing in 2008, told at that time quitting smoking was my only hope) but had been unsuccessful..

So when my breathing got so much worse and I began getting pneumonia with regularity my doctor never did tests, just told me to quit smoking or die like that.

The breathing is what scared me, my lips were turning blue with the exertion of housework, and I had to take rest breaks just walking to the mailbox.. I literally felt like I was suffocating and it scared the hell out of me..

That was when I tried vaping.. and I was successful.

It (the switch to vaping) didn't happen without withdrawals, as I still had them with some measure of severity, but I made it through. Chainvaped my ... off those first weeks, but made it.. held onto my vape like my life depended on it, which it really did.

I got better once I switched. I coughed up more stuff/gunk out of my lungs than I would have thought possible to be in there, but the more I coughed out the better I could breathe, and I was able to exercise again, go for walks, have hobbies and the like..

Within a matter of a couple months I could breathe better than I could even remember being able to.. it was like being a new person.. :)

I still may get throat cancer because i was fairly far gone long before I quit smoking, but these last few years of being able to breathe again have been awesome regardless.. dying via slow suffocation is a horrific way to die..
 

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...these last few years of being able to breathe again have been awesome regardless.. dying via slow suffocation is a horrific way to die..
Thanks for sharing a wonderful story. Your description of dying via slow suffocation is the reason why I chose my avatar. Smoking = slow suicide.

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Thanks for sharing a wonderful story. Your description of dying via slow suffocation is the reason why I chose my avatar. Smoking = slow suicide.

So true..

my son calls smoking "the procrastinators suicide..."

Your avatar is the best one here I think!
 

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@CCVapes23 - I smoked 1 - 1.5 packs a day for 42+ years. The last 1.5 years of those 42, I'd switched to the RYO ciggies (made with pipe tobacco), and my little smoker's cough in the mornings totally went away within 2 weeks. I was then able to get down to just 1/2 pack a day of those by Nov. 2013...when I decided to try vaping to help me quit.

I dual used (smoked & vaped) for nearly 2 months. First week, I allowed myself 9 smokes per day. Second week was 8 per day, and so on...until I had my last smoke in January 2014. It was easy, for me, to transition that way, because I was definitely loving vaping... much more than having the decreasing number of smokes per day. Have never even craved a smoke since quitting.

About COPD and vaping - I was diagnosed with the mild beginning stage of COPD about 8-10 years before I finally quit smoking. At every regular check-up, when having a yearly chest X-ray, and a spirometer test every couple years, etc., my doctor would suggest that I quit. I tried several times, but couldn't. During those 8-10 years I had no problems being short of breath or other complications, probably because I was very active physically and had healthy eating habits. So I never needed COPD meds of any kind. My annual chest X-rays had always shown no or very minimal (if any) worsening of my previously diagnosed mild COPD.

After quitting the smokes and only vaping for 6 months, my doctor said he could already tell a difference in my improved breathing when listening to my lungs. At the 1 year mark of quitting, it sounded even better. I had another regular check-up and a spirometer test 6 months after that. My doctor was so amazed by the terrific test results, that he double-checked with me that I had indeed smoked for 42+ years. Said my results were like those of someone who had never smoked, and my lungs sounded clear as a bell. So, if you can quit smoking...it is definitely possible for your lungs to gradually heal.
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I have probably smoked a pack a day for almost 30 years, since I was 17. COPD runs in my family, as well. You've been here for over a year, so what's the problem? As far as I'm concerned, what do I have to lose?
Congrats! I smoked about the same, 27 years, more than a pack a day for the last couple.
 

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    Congrats! I smoked about the same, 27 years, more than a pack a day for the last couple.
    Thanks VF. Unfortunately, I went to visit Thailand a couple of months ago where vaping is banned for the time being.

    Let's just say I had to start my smoke free calendar over again :(. No biggie, climbed right back on the vape wagon as soon as I got home :).
     

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    40 years. Towards the end I was 3 packs a day. (They got too pricey so I switched to some generics).

    6 years vaping now. Currently about 2.5ml/day. (I vape at a blistering 11 watts! :w00t:). Just finished a 300 mile wilderness hike over the summer. I'd have died on that trail 10 years ago. I have the lab work of a 20 year-old now. (Doc's own words).

    Since then Mrs. Kodiak has invested my tobacco savings into many pairs of shoes that evidently needed a home.
     

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    So I’ve been smoking a half pack to a pack of American spirits for like three to years now... I used to smoke Marlboro reds and Marlboro smooth’s just curious as to how much everyone else used to smoke? I am still struggling with quitting full time. Some days I smoke 3-4 cigs then others I smoke 10+ . I’m only 23 and I’m so paranoid about copd and all of that. I made a bet with a friend with money I don’t have so I’m actually going to quit. I’m just paranoid and feel like I’m still gonna get copd later in life... it runs in my family. I’ve posted about heart disease and that kind of stuff before. I’m basically wondering if anyone here has copd and vapes and how do they feel? Sorry for all the paranoid posts. Hearing that kind of stuff makes me want to quit. Thanks!


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    Smoked 1.5 pad Marlboro lights for 30 years. Vaping came easy to me and quit smokes relatively fast and never looked back. Been vaping over 7 years now and feeling as if I never smoked at all...for me, it was all about the right nic levels and intense throat hit, which was 24mg mtl. What device and juice are you using?
     

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    Thanks VF. Unfortunately, I went to visit Thailand a couple of months ago where vaping is banned for the time being.

    Let's just say I had to start my smoke free calendar over again :(. No biggie, climbed right back on the vape wagon as soon as I got home :).
    Bad girl :eek:

    Glad you jumped back on the vape train!
     
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    Marlboro reds circa 1972-85, Pk+/day, maybe a carton a week. Marlboro lights '85-1993, carton/wk.
    Then our second child was born, wife quite, and so did I. When I started back, was a closet smoker until 2010- only smoked when not around the family, and kids didn't see me smoke until they were 18+. But, I was travelling a lot, and still managed to "power smoke" when I got the chance, so I was still pk/day smoker on average.

    Quit a couple of months about 2010 (first time I tried vaping with cigalikes, but only for a week or so). That was an odd one, because I thought it was for good, yet 2 months in, I had a day when I was just going nuts for a smoke. I refused to buy a cigarette, so I got a cigar. Inhaling one or two hits a day at first (took me weeks to finish that cigar!). Continued with cigars for a year or so, only a few hits a day, but gradually incrreased. Then started on American Spirits (about 15 cigs/day) until last April of last year, when I quit for good.

    Hey, you're right to worry - my mom's parents both died of heart attacks in their 50's, my mom died of lung cancer at 65, brother had heart attack at 54, so I was worried too. Vaping's great, but it isn't the reason I still don't smoke. The only thing that worked for me was that I made the commitment that no matter how hard it'd be, I had to do it this time. I'd promised my youngest son. Vaping was an afterthought that I thought would help me through it. And it did- I likely woud've caved again without it. I mean, I'd quit dozens of times over the years - from a couple of days to a few months.

    Others found it easier with vaping- some say they gradually did dual until they no longer had the urge for a cigarette, but that would've nevvverrrr happened for me. But I stuck with the vaping, and it got surprisingly easy after 3-4 (pretty tough) weeks. Since then, I feel like it's so easy, it's cheating! After a couple of months, I didn't even want a cigarette - I preferred the vaping. One day I'll quit vaping, too - but I'm in no huge hurry at the moment.
     

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    I'm in Canada, so I don't know how this applies. My perception was that in the UK the NHS covered medications.

    But i've been working for a private insurance company for almost the last 10 years. My first two positions were in medical insurance. We actually don't make more profit in doing stuff like that, and generally avoid it. By far most plans are funded by the employer, and we make money by administering the plan. When a drug is not covered it's because the employer doesn't want it to be covered. My second position was doing overpayments and exceptions. In cases where a plan doesn't cover a medication the patient can get his or her doctor to send us a form showing what has been tried, what hasn't worked, and what they want to use the drug for. If all the other options have been exhausted and it's been approved by Health Canada to be used for treatment of the patient's illness, we usually (almost universally) approve it.

    There's this misconception that we're greedy devils but nothing could be further from the truth. Two cases I remember from my time in that dept:

    1) We had a growth hormone prescription for a kid. It was life sustaining but it wasn't indicated by Health Canada to be used to treat the kid's illness. The employer refused to cover it. Our director spent a day or two calling around until she got on the phone with the heads of the manufacturer. She managed to convince them to give the kid a free lifetime supply.

    2) Last year we had a client in south east asia. He was very sick and very estranged from his family. He was stuck in a hospital and used up his out of country insurance. None of his family would help make arrangements to get him home, and he was too out of it to do anything himself. We paid for a private chartered plane with a nurse to go pick him up and being him home. There was no cost to him and we ate it because it was the right thing to do.

    The two stories above were never printed in the media, no one has wrote about it in social media, and none of the people involved want any recognition what so ever. They're just interested in serving our clients. My bosses always had me ask myself the question "what's in the client's best interest" when making business decisions on reimbursements for fringe cases with no precedence. Even now, I work on the planning side of things, and the decisions we make are always customer focused. If we need to go over budget on hiring or overtime because the customer experience is suffering from slow turn around (cough Canada Post), we eat that cost and do what is right.

    My mom also has COPD and is on the same medications. In her case because she's not employed, she's enrolled in provincial drug insurance programs. They pick up the bill and she just has to pay a small dispensing fee (here), and when she moved now it's a small annual deductible (something like $100 I think).

    I can't speak for the UK, but here I think the problem is that people don't know their options or what steps they need to take to get the medication they need. The right to life is a constitutional right in this country, no one should ever die because of lack of medical coverage.

    Edit: Another situation I just remember that's related to my last point. My aunt was diagnosed with Lupus and her insurance carrier is my employer. She was complaining about her drugs not being covered, costing so much, swearing about the company and saying things like "you need to go to your boss and tell him your company is .... and they are a bunch of scammers". I took 3 minutes to print off the medical exception forms, pointed to the sections her doctor needed to fill out, and the day of her appointment the request was filed, approved, and her drugs were reimbursed. Things look daunting from the outside, but I promise we're here to help.
    It sounds like life is always brighter under the sun!
     
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    Pack and a half of Marlboro Lights for over 30 years. I got lucky and took to vaping, actually Vuse, easily. I had many a temptation, especially when stressed for a few years after the changeover. @Baditude gave you some good suggestions for changes in your routine to try and make it a little bit easier. Funny Baditute was a menthol smoker. If plain tobacco had been removed from the market and only menthol left, I probably would have stopped smoking with that before changing (nothing personal Baditute ;)).

    The fact the addiction is so strong is the continued use in the face of obvious harm like smoking with COPD or a family history of heart dieease or lung cancer. It's one of the defining (although not the only) symptoms of true addiction, continued and inability to quit use despite harm inflicted. So the fact you're struggling is to be expected, and your willingness to stick at finding ways to overcome it are the best factors in success. You'll get there as long as you keep at it and understand just because a given day was a bad one doesn't mean that will be true for tomorrow.

    I'm in Canada, so I don't know how this applies. My perception was that in the UK the NHS covered medications.

    But i've been working for a private insurance company for almost the last 10 years. My first two positions were in medical insurance. We actually don't make more profit in doing stuff like that, and generally avoid it. By far most plans are funded by the employer, and we make money by administering the plan. When a drug is not covered it's because the employer doesn't want it to be covered. My second position was doing overpayments and exceptions. In cases where a plan doesn't cover a medication the patient can get his or her doctor to send us a form showing what has been tried, what hasn't worked, and what they want to use the drug for. If all the other options have been exhausted and it's been approved by Health Canada to be used for treatment of the patient's illness, we usually (almost universally) approve it.

    There's this misconception that we're greedy devils but nothing could be further from the truth. Two cases I remember from my time in that dept:

    1) We had a growth hormone prescription for a kid. It was life sustaining but it wasn't indicated by Health Canada to be used to treat the kid's illness. The employer refused to cover it. Our director spent a day or two calling around until she got on the phone with the heads of the manufacturer. She managed to convince them to give the kid a free lifetime supply.

    2) Last year we had a client in south east asia. He was very sick and very estranged from his family. He was stuck in a hospital and used up his out of country insurance. None of his family would help make arrangements to get him home, and he was too out of it to do anything himself. We paid for a private chartered plane with a nurse to go pick him up and being him home. There was no cost to him and we ate it because it was the right thing to do.

    The two stories above were never printed in the media, no one has wrote about it in social media, and none of the people involved want any recognition what so ever. They're just interested in serving our clients. My bosses always had me ask myself the question "what's in the client's best interest" when making business decisions on reimbursements for fringe cases with no precedence. Even now, I work on the planning side of things, and the decisions we make are always customer focused. If we need to go over budget on hiring or overtime because the customer experience is suffering from slow turn around (cough Canada Post), we eat that cost and do what is right.

    My mom also has COPD and is on the same medications. In her case because she's not employed, she's enrolled in provincial drug insurance programs. They pick up the bill and she just has to pay a small dispensing fee (here), and when she moved now it's a small annual deductible (something like $100 I think).

    I can't speak for the UK, but here I think the problem is that people don't know their options or what steps they need to take to get the medication they need. The right to life is a constitutional right in this country, no one should ever die because of lack of medical coverage.

    Edit: Another situation I just remember that's related to my last point. My aunt was diagnosed with Lupus and her insurance carrier is my employer. She was complaining about her drugs not being covered, costing so much, swearing about the company and saying things like "you need to go to your boss and tell him your company is .... and they are a bunch of scammers". I took 3 minutes to print off the medical exception forms, pointed to the sections her doctor needed to fill out, and the day of her appointment the request was filed, approved, and her drugs were reimbursed. Things look daunting from the outside, but I promise we're here to help.

    Having seen the "system" from the other side in the US, your approach to third party administration is the opposite of that "down here". It's nice to read about someone going to bat for the person in need instead of finding every little item in teeny tiny print to reduce payments, and improve profits, for the carrier under the current patchwork system in the US that's designed to protect the financial interests of everyone except for the patient.
     

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    My best friend did something similar when she was pregnant. She kept cigarette butts and ashes in a baby food jar filled partially with water. When she got a craving, she'd take a big whiff from the jar. This tactic helped for about a year. She eventually returned back to smoking and died around the age of 44 from a major heart attack. She was not obese and to my knowledge didn't have any other health issues. At the time she was under a lot of emotional stress and began having chest pains. She died the day before she was scheduled for a cardiogram.

    Sorry to hear about your friend. 44 is much too young. My condolences.

    Few good recommendations mentioned here to kick the cigs. I think what is important is to keep an open mind. What works for one may not work for another. The challenge is finding what does work and sticking to it. For myself – I smoked 1 to 2 large PAD depending on the situation for 35+ years (25 in a large pack of Canadian cigs). Tried many methods to quit, all failed. Even tried vaping years ago but obviously I chose the wrong products to vape with. My recent attempt at vaping was done out of curiosity. Walked by a store, thought I’d check it out with 0 intentions of purchasing any vape product. But ended up walking out with something that worked.

    Also want to bring up the ties with depression and addiction. Not going to say suicide is common with those who are struggling to quit smoking. But the actions in which we take to try and quit smoking could be. For myself, I do not suffer from depression, but was overcome with anxiety and emotions of failure when trying to quit. If trying to quit and you start showing signs of depression, please see a doctor.

    VF – yes I remember Export Green. There were a few others that fit in the same category.
     
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