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When I measure the resistance of the current spring, am I not getting about 0.1Ω?

I have three new unused springs here on my desk, all three measure .06Ω measuring from the plate to the top of the spring (with the lead pushing down as a battery would). When I was experimenting with my Mini 2.1, I soldered the spring, rivet, & plate together, that one I get .03Ω. On my Grand that I previously measured .06Ω total interal resistance, that spring measures .04Ω (no solder).

Not saying those measurements are absolutely 100% accurate but that's what I get using a Fluke 187 & leads zero'd out.
 

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So, Time I had today, and no package from DZ yet. Therefore, thusly, and consequently I decided to pursue the v-drop issue independent of the firing pin "shape" pursuit. I figure I might as well isolate the two themes anyway . . . . for SCIENCE . . . . . . :p

I took a long strip of my brass shim and folded it such that the fold lands on the business end of the firing pin (just a plain ol' used one). I decided to use a worn and rounded one to increase a bit of contact area; but more importantly, to avoid poking a hole in my brass. Looks like this . . . .









"What, pray tell, came of this, pdib?" (you may well ask . . .)

( . . .. and I will tell you . . . . )

0.5Ω coil (on the low end, as my meter was flashing over to 0.4 about a quarter of the time)
Battery at 4.13 V
Voltage under load: 3.87 V

Total V-drop = 0.26 V

Not bad, not bad. Mind you, this is in combination with the hot spring mod.

This is by no means a competition w/ my new friend dhomes, in fact it's inspired by his trick-jiggery; but, (in the interest of science . . .) I want to point out that that's pretty much the same improvement as we saw in his modifications. I've been wondering how much this has to do with materials that gain resistance under load. Does stainless steel do that? I noticed when soldering stuff a while back, brass seems to heat up differently (more slowly?).
 
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Coupl'a notes on hard shorts. Peeps, please also contribute your experiences.

The first thing you may notice (and this is where the brain can be slow), is that "nothing is happening"; meaning, your atty probably won't fire / produce vapor / hiss etc. The current isn't going through the coil (it has found a short cut). Unfortunately, when something doesn't work, we sometimes get insistent . . . . press the button with more determination, try again, etc. We don't want to be doing that. If your atty doesn't fire . . .. STOP! The more you run a short, the worse it can get! And the closer you come to thermal runaway.

The second thing you may notice is that things that don't normally get warm/hot are getting warm/hot. STOP! Don't try it again. Aluminum conducts heat very well; but the REO has a very thick body, so it might be less apparent than with a tube-mod. Myself, whenever I detect heat that seems different (however little), I check it. I actually do this frequently (even with a spring in place). More often than not, its just blood flow to the hand that is operating the mod. But, what I do is: touch the part in question with my other hand. Touch it with the back of my hand, or wrist. My fingers don't detect heat as honestly as they did a few years ago, so I tend to double check with different nerve endings. Always, if I'm checking for heat, I will slide the door open and touch the battery both near the top and bottom. If I become convinced that it was "just me"; I will take another vape holding the mod with my other hand. At this point, I feel comfortable dismissing the alarm. I frequently slide open my battery door and feel the battery, just to check in on it and say "hi".

btw: my AW 1600s run as cool as a cucumber at 0.3Ω. If you are using the right batteries (and we all better be), ANY amount of heat on that battery is indicative of some kind of problem. Not necessarily a short; but maybe dirty contacts, or what have you.

this post could serve as a script for what just happened:

check classies for Woodvil :) ... squonk and fire the Grand... odd, no vapor... hmmm, maybe i pressed the button at an angle... give it a manly push, you wimp... accidentally touch the RM2... damn, that's hot... hey, is that a blister?... slip the grand out the cozy (thank you, Karen :) ... top half of Grand very hot... what the hell was pdib saying just yesterday?

pulled the battery and it was cool. tested at 3.5v, not unusual. tested RM2 on ohmmeter- 1.1, same as at coil's birth. spring looks fine.

now the Grand is drying off after a bath, awaiting a file and some noalox. fortunately, i have a backup or two :)

thanks, dib! if this post had not been rattling around in the back of my brain, i'd probably have made it worse...
 

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Ah, sorry about the confusion with the 0.1 ohms. That was my fault because I left out a zero =)
The PTC I am trying has a rated max resistance of 0.007 ohms, not 0.07 ohms - a factor of 10.

Well, hurry up man!. . . . . . cause I'm vaping this 24g setup at a true 300+ watts and I know you don't want me blowing face! :shock:
 

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Yes, very much so. I have yet to measure/document it. I'm trying a variety of patterns of utilization. And haven't clocked enough time with any single one to see a pattern develop.

Meaning, one coil might be "pre-modded" (lower) res. I'll vape it without the shim until ~3.85V (my usual batt. swapping point), and then I'll engage the shim and get more batt. life that way. Another coil might simply be higher res. and I run the shim the whole time. Still fiddling.


ADDIT: Also, as in the post below, I'm enjoying being able to run more wire mass.
 
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hey pdib, you notice any battery life improvement since using your shim? In my calculations it shows that there should be, I'm curious how it well it affects it IRL

Definitely, huge improvement, I get 3.80 volts on battery AFTER 24 hours of using it on a .7ohm

It's a thing of beauty indeed
 

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ah, yes. thx. that's a 2900mAh, . . . . . .. methinks.


what I'm finding, specifically, is that I used to consistently pull my batteries at 3.84-3.85V. I didn't often test them . . . but every single time I have, that's what it read. So, the battery in the video, I vaped it to the same subjective point (a pretty decent kind of subjective, since it always meters the same), and measured it at about 3.65V. And that was powering a pretty big coil mass.
 

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I'm reporting on a Panasonic ncr18650pd (the green ones)

i *think* those are the ones i never could figure out what the chemistry really was. Some of the pannies are described as a "hybrid" chemistry, which is supposed to be as safe as IMR. i can't find the link to the spec sheet on the hybrids tho.
 
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