A Starbucks Vaping Story

[SAG]

Ok as long as we're still beating that damned dead horse made of STRAW while sipping starbucks, an incredible urge came over me to post the actual definition of STEALTH. According to Merriam-Webster, stealth: secret or unobtrusive procedure. So as you can only imagine my next question is...... who needs the definition of unobtrusive?


BTW, I do enjoy reading how some people here have an OPINION and then blatantly say someone elses' OPINION is wrong. I already shared my OPINION on this matter. My OPINION hasn't been changed after 31 pages. So I've concluded those with opposing OPINIONS don't have a big enough bullybat. lol

 

[Susaz]

Yesterday I sat in a Starbucks for a while just waitng for my beverage to be ready .
Then I decided to sit and enjoy, I was sitting agains the wall if you will directly in front
of the service counter cash register.
Know what I did; just for the sake of it.
Yup I stealth vaped, the employees were looking
as I put my pv in my mouth in anticipation...lol
As some people were waiting for their beverages
were wating for their drinks giving me a curious look.
I finally went outside sat for a bit where I continued to stealth.
No incident what so ever.
We can do what we do, its all in how
we do it

Whenever I'm inside I put my vaper openly in plain sight so that everyone sees it's not a cigarette (I carry the one on my avatar). Very few people ask, and if I'm asked I say it's an asthma inhaler. No one complains. They see there's no combustion. As time goes by I vape at more places, the shopping mall, several cafes and restaurants. Last time I vaped at my tennant's restaurant (asking him first) and many people stepped by to ask me what it was. People in general are pleased to know it's just vapor.

 

[peterforpats]

and the hits just keep on coming- could someone who enjoys "stealth" vaping do a video showing me the proper technique on how to vape and not release a plume of vapor. I have tried repeatedly and my "stealth" vaping always seems to come out like my regular vaping. I think that would be helpful since I read and watch the videos showing the best ways to get clouds of vapor and massive throat hits. please post it here on the forum so I can finally grasp what "stealth" is all about.

 

[raqball]

This thread = LOL

Keep on stealth vaping, getting caught, and giving e-cigs a bad rap. Then when you have given the powers that be the extra ammo they needed to ban vaping you can come back here and complain that it is BS..

Oh my!

If you can't smoke in the area do us all a favor and don't vape.. It's not just you that you are going to ruin it for...

 

[SFBrianT]

This thread = LOL

Keep on stealth vaping, getting caught, and giving e-cigs a bad rap. Then when you have given the powers that be the extra ammo they needed to ban vaping you can come back here and complain that it is BS..

Oh my!

If you can't smoke in the area do us all a favor and don't vape.. It's not just you that you are going to ruin it for...

I'm sitting at my desk at work in San Francisco, where smoking is prohibitted almost everywhere. vaping away. Of course I have permission from my boss. In fact, I didn't even have to ask. When I told him I switched from smoking to vaping he said I could vape at my desk.

it's been said here many many times but needs repeating. If we only vape where smoking is permitted vaping will be equated with smoking as something bad. Also vaping in smoking areas defeats the purpose of vaping as we will be getting second hand smoke with all the crap that we stopped smoking to avoid. Of course just because we can vape somewhere doesn't mean we should. I won't vape in theaters or restaurants. Bottom line is Vape where you want, but be respectful. Ask permission/if anyone would mind first.

 

[SFBrianT]

Yeah, and an O'Douls is an imitation beer. So should people only be allowed to drink O'Douls in places where alcohol can be served, so they don't risk offending or confusing any sensitive soul who may think they are drinking beer? Should an O'Douls in the cupholder make the user subject to "open container" laws? To my way of thinking, that's just nuts.

Since you are still a smoker, I guess it makes sense that you think and behave like a smoker. I am NOT a smoker. I am a vaper. Nicotine use isn't illegal or immoral. Users of nicotine gum, lozenges, patches and inhalers are not sent to the smoking area. I see no reason why any vaper should be, either, and I certainly won't take myself there voluntarily.

If anyone ever asked me to stop vaping in a public place, I would politely explain the difference between smoking and vaping. If they still insisted, I would respectfully remove myself -- and my wallet -- from the premises; I would NOT go to a designated smoking area. But the fact is, I have publicly vaped almost everywhere I've been in the past six months, across more than a dozen states. And no one has asked me to stop yet.

I am convinced we are beating a straw man.

I don't think public means what you think it means. I get this all the time at work when I throw someone out. Just because a business is open to the public doen't mean it is a public place.

 

[zapped]

sorry, I don't get it. when you smoked did you light up in starbucks? or in a movie theatre? no, you went about your business and smoked when and where you could and guess what? you were ok. trying to sneak a vape sounds like you are a vaping "junkie". can't wait the few minutes it takes to order a coffee and go elsewhere? you are either hopelessly addicted to nicotine or something else is going on here. " i'll show them"! starbucks and others are private businesses and if they don't want you vaping then don't vape- we have to educate and change minds but sneaking a vape is only going to reinforce their belief that we are doing something wrong. it sounds something a kid would do

Im sorry but youre still thinking like a smoker.

We arent smokers any more! Were vapers and we arent doing anything wrong.We arent placing anyones health in jeopardy or subjecting them to noxious fumes so to accept the restrictions placed on smokers is just silly.

Im not advocating blowing a plume of vapor in a toddlers face (manners should always come into play) but Im also not saying we should hide it like some deep dark dirty secret we should be ashamed of either.

To act like smokers and allow ourselves to be relegated to the same dark, smelly corner...to allow restrictions to be placed upon ourselves willingly (because of brainwashing or conditioning from years of smoking) when they arent warranted is the surest way to make sure we are treated and discriminated against just like smokers.

Acting like youve done something wrong when you havent is the quickest way to make people misunderstand and even fear you.

Vape on! Vape Strong and Vape Proud!.....just use a little common sense and discretion when its warranted while youre at it.

 

[Glen Snyder]

I don't understand when people say "I only vape in places where smoking is allowed." As if this is some kind of self-congratulatory way of being super polite. Who exactly are these people trying to be polite to? (ANTZ maybe? Really, you want to bow to their will?) Is it that they deep-down believe that vaping is equivalent to smoking? Is it that they truly believe that it is somehow offensive to rational-thinking people?
If vapers think that they should be restricted to vaping only in areas where smoking is allowed, then they are complicit in the continued public-misunderstanding of vaping. I hope NEVER to see a person vape, standing alone, in a designated smoking area. That would be a very sad sight to me.

Yes, it's called common courtesy. Something that was instilled in my generation. Too old to change and if that makes me part of the problem in your eyes so be it

 

[DC2]

This thread = LOL

Keep on stealth vaping, getting caught, and giving e-cigs a bad rap. Then when you have given the powers that be the extra ammo they needed to ban vaping you can come back here and complain that it is BS..

Oh my!

If you can't smoke in the area do us all a favor and don't vape.. It's not just you that you are going to ruin it for...

Since I've never been caught, let alone even been noticed stealth vaping by anyone in four years...
I would argue it is far more likely to be the people acting like smokers that are going to ruin it for everyone.

But I agree, some people just shouldn't stealth vape, because apparently they can't.

 

[raqball]

It's all about common courtesy to others and to fellow vapers.

Others simply see what they believe is smoke getting exhaled or the act of smoking. They are clueless but as responsible vapers we also need to show common courtesy to our fellow vapers by not acting like a fool..

Stealth vaping is used where one knows they should not be doing it. Why else would someone stealth vape?

Common courtesy, respect, and following the law should take precedence over the need to act like a fool and vape where ones knows they should not be doing it.

Sadly, they then come to forums and brag about it like they just stole a cookie from the cookie jar.. This type of childish behavior is going to cause problems for ALL of us sooner or later...

Act like an adult, follow the rules / laws and if you are unsure if you can vape in an area then ask for permission..

I really hate threads like this because people like this are going to ruin vaping for people like me..

My .02

 

[minimalsaint]

Yes, it's called common courtesy. Something that was instilled in my generation. Too old to change and if that makes me part of the problem in your eyes so be it

Those of us with common courtesy instilled will never understand the sense of entitlement that newer generations have. I know I sure don't.

 

[raqball]

Those of us with common courtesy instilled will never understand the sense of entitlement that newer generations have. I know I sure don't.

Bingo!!!!!!!!!

 

[machinestatic]

and the hits just keep on coming- could someone who enjoys "stealth" vaping do a video showing me the proper technique on how to vape and not release a plume of vapor. I have tried repeatedly and my "stealth" vaping always seems to come out like my regular vaping. I think that would be helpful since I read and watch the videos showing the best ways to get clouds of vapor and massive throat hits. please post it here on the forum so I can finally grasp what "stealth" is all about.

First of all, I want to preface this by saying I'm on the side of the fence that will wait to walk outside of a store, coffee shop, or restaurant to vape. But for me it's not a matter of arguing that the stores "don't have rules that say I can't vape there", etc... it's simply comfort. I am more comfortable vaping where people would smoke. My goal is not to cause arguments and anger, I just want some damn nicotine. But I'm also NOT saying that people who vape in stores are bad... I've let out a cloud or 2 with no consequences. But just please don't be a hostile jerk to employees if they tell you not do it. It is private property, after all.

Anyway! peterforpats - I think what you want to look up on YouTube is "ghosting." People do it with ecigs and real smoke. You just inhale the vapor into your mouth like you normally would, then inhale it into your lungs... and then inhale deeply AGAIN to pull additional air down into your lungs, BEFORE you exhale. If you do it right, after you wait a couple seconds and finally exhale, just about zero vapor will come out.

 

[peakcomm]

Yes, it's called common courtesy. Something that was instilled in my generation. Too old to change and if that makes me part of the problem in your eyes so be it

Those of us with common courtesy instilled will never understand the sense of entitlement that newer generations have. I know I sure don't.

Bingo!!!!!!!!!

Well, bless your hearts! Do y'all feel better now?

 

[Susaz]

Yes, it's called common courtesy. Something that was instilled in my generation. Too old to change and if that makes me part of the problem in your eyes so be it

Absolutely. BUT (sorry for the rebuttal) most people are comfortable with vaping in non smoking areas. If someone complains I gently explain there's no combustion. Your rights beguin where the other's end, and I have a right to vape as long as it doesn't harm anyone.

 

[Susaz]

It's all about common courtesy to others and to fellow vapers.

Others simply see what they believe is smoke getting exhaled or the act of smoking. They are clueless but as responsible vapers we also need to show common courtesy to our fellow vapers by not acting like a fool..

Stealth vaping is used where one knows they should not be doing it. Why else would someone stealth vape?

Common courtesy, respect, and following the law should take precedence over the need to act like a fool and vape where ones knows they should not be doing it.

Sadly, they then come to forums and brag about it like they just stole a cookie from the cookie jar.. This type of childish behavior is going to cause problems for ALL of us sooner or later...

Act like an adult, follow the rules / laws and if you are unsure if you can vape in an area then ask for permission..

I really hate threads like this because people like this are going to ruin vaping for people like me..

My .02

I ask for permission in small places. My tennant's restaurant is just 15 tables big, too small a place to vape. He generally sets me on a window side table, close to the door, somewhat separated from the other eaters. Another place is also too small, tables too close. In those places I don't dare to vape.

I don't stealth. I used to do it in the beginning but now I do it openly. I've had just two complaints, one from a couple in a cafe (that got the brush off from a security person, they didn't even bother me) and from another person in the smoking section of the local casino. He was smoking a cigar and complaining about my HHV Pirate's Booty odor. What about you pal?

 

[minimalsaint]

Well, bless your hearts! Do y'all feel better now?

......Do you?

 

[Bliss Doubt]

I vape in public but I try to be discreet, both out of courtesy and out of apprehension. I don't want any confrontations with rabid nonsmokers. Vapor flavors can smell awful. I vape at my desk, and if I'm trying a new flavor, I get an instant opinion poll. There are a couple of things that have worked for me. I use eliquids at work that contain 80 to 100 percent PG. The plumes are thinner and they dissipate quickly. I've searched out flavors that don't put out strong scents. A mild tobacco flavor, a ginger, and my teaberry are in the three clearomizers I keep in my desk drawer, and nobody ever comments on those scents. When I used cinnabun and rootbeer float, which smelled divine to me, people sometimes complained. People everywhere are allowed to wear overpowering fragrances, or stink up the whole office with garlic-parmesan chicken wings, but if someone doesn't like my vapor flavor, they feel free to jump up my ... about it. The same lady who fills my whole office with the choking smell of a hairspray she uses will narrow her eyes at me and say that my vapor is giving her a headache.

 

[Katcandoo]

I don't think public means what you think it means. I get this all the time at work when I throw someone out. Just because a business is open to the public doen't mean it is a public place.

Please tell that to my government because they came to they came to a different conclusion when they banned smoking in all private businesses and offices. The owners don't get to make that decision. Now they are trying to do the same thing with vaping.

 

[yummi4tunekookie]

Just wanted to say that at work today, one of my coworkers (who was off) and his friend sat in the cafe and vaped openly. Nobody gave them a second glance. I'm guessing that since our town finally has a few stores that cater solely to those who vape, more and more people are are learning about the positives.