Starbucks bans e-cigs?

[Devonmoonshire]

Because the majority of people do not smoke and are easily influenced by the anti-smoking zealots who want to ban vaping completely. If those who vape do not advocate and educate openly for vaping and how it is completely different than smoking, then you could find your right to vape completely gutted if not taken away. Are you not aware how close it was that the FDA was going to ban vaping completely and that thousands of dollars of vaping material shippments were seized and impounded?? There are a number of vaping business that went out of business because of the seizures.

I agree with you 100% here because People do need to be made aware of what is being done around them. To Educate is never "Stupid" it is everyone's Right to know what is being done in their presence. It is our right as well to do everything in our power to make sure that the information that they are given is accurate as well.

Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[Pamdane]

May I point out that if we allow people to pack vaping into the same category as smoking, it will be perceived to be the same. This is severely important to ALL vapors, not just SB customers. If the vaping community can reach out and get even one WELL RESPECTED and VERY PR conscious corporation to recognize us, we will stand a better chance in the future of defending our right to vape publicly- and not be relegated to the status of smokers who are banned almost everywhere from all public groups, meetings and establishments.
ITs not about WHO bans vaping, its about BEING banned. I feel it is a fight for respect and acceptance.
My $.02

 

[wv2win]

May I point out that if we allow people to pack vaping into the same category as smoking, it will be perceived to be the same. This is severely important to ALL vapors, not just SB customers. If the vaping community can reach out and get even one WELL RESPECTED and VERY PR conscious corporation to recognize us, we will stand a better chance in the future of defending our right to vape publicly- and not be relegated to the status of smokers who are banned almost everywhere from all public groups, meetings and establishments.
ITs not about WHO bans vaping, its about BEING banned. I feel it is a fight for respect and acceptance.
My $.02

Very well stated! I agree completely.

 

[fb305]

Because the majority of people do not smoke and are easily influenced by the anti-smoking zealots who want to ban vaping completely. If those who vape do not advocate and educate openly for vaping and how it is completely different than smoking, then you could find your right to vape completely gutted if not taken away. Are you not aware how close it was that the FDA was going to ban vaping completely and that thousands of dollars of vaping material shippments were seized and impounded?? There are a number of vaping business that went out of business because of the seizures.

Yeah but the more attention that vaping gets the more likely the FDA and big tobacco are going to want to control it. I think the farther under the radar it is the better. I just don't think that shoving it in peoples faces is going to help anything.

 

[throatkick]

This just seems stupid to me. Who cares if Starbucks bans vaping or not. Either just don't go there or wait until you leave to vape. All this talk about educating non-smokers is ridiculous, if they don't smoke why would they care about the differences in vaping and smoking anyway and why should they?

Well..... let's see. Where to begin?
One of the main issues is that we live in a society were a corporate decision made by "Starbucks" or "Walmart" will undoubtedly influence countless thousands. These countless thousands will never stop to wonder why they have allowed themselves to be "informed" by such establishments, much less the fact that it actually clearly signals that they have hit complete, utter and absolute rock bottom.

Therefore, while the fact that this appears asinine to you does speak volumes, it neglects the "headline" factor, the ease with which bans can be passed as a result of the extra support and how much it diminishes your opinion.

Long story short: It may be a lot of things but stupid is not one of them.

Yeah but the more attention that vaping gets the more likely the FDA and big tobacco are going to want to control it. I think the farther under the radar it is the better. I just don't think that shoving it in peoples faces is going to help anything.

They are already hellbent on the control issue.

This is about hurdles and barriers. You have established companies/industries with governmental involvement. Many times this involvement goes so far as to deceptively cast a dark shadow on an industry so as to ensure long term viability. It also closely controls where the profits go.

For example, big tobacco is presented as the devil. Yet, cigarettes are being sold by the millions. Hypothetically speaking, try to start a company that manufactures cigarettes. Let's see how far you'll get.

Vaping has been under the radar for years. It has now "come of age". The crux of the matter here is that (unfortunate as this may be) nothing will really be accomplished with facts and the truth.

Therefore, you chose to go "underground" with vaping. Others choose the high ground and attempt to explain, educate etc.

Ultimately it is whatever Starbucks says that matters. :-(

 

[throatkick]

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[Katdarling]

SB call may have initiated this discussion, and perhaps that is exactly what was needed right now. No, not because it's crucial to either have vaping inside of a SB (or any business) or not, but because it's excites those of us who vape to further the ideas and feelings and facts that promote the invaluable dissemination of information. We seem to be giving that to one another and hopefully, as others have stated, we will also give that to the world of the uninformed, be they smokers or non. It may be that we have awoken a somewhat sleeping complacency, and to that, I say, good morning!

I for one am truly intrigued and enjoying not only our comradery, but the grand debate and the opportunity to hear what other minds are thinking. In the end, I hope that we can take the best of what we know to be true, learn from others who may differ in their 'knowing', then give a viable, synthesized offer of our truth to those that will hear it. It's a process, no?

Thank you all for being here and contributing. It's evident that this is incredibly important.

 

[Nova Sphere]

Those of us who respectfully advocte and educate others about vaping are not arrogant or pushy about it. And I fully agree with respecting the decisions of the owner of an establishment if they ban vaping. But you are advocting that we must not only respect their decision but that we also respect the flawed reasoning behind it, that vaping and smoking are the same thing and should be viewed the same and thus we should continue to support that establishment with
our patronage. That makes no sense and will just lead to vaping being looked at as being the same as smoking.

Exactly! That is the big picture! Without clear justification, we are nothing but a pack of lemurs heading for the.....

 

[wv2win]

Yeah but the more attention that vaping gets the more likely the FDA and big tobacco are going to want to control it. I think the farther under the radar it is the better. I just don't think that shoving it in peoples faces is going to help anything.

I think you are completely wrong on several fronts. First, big tobacco has not been a problem and has shown no interest to date in vaping. The industry that has pumped thousands of dollars into trying to kill vaping is Big Pharm. They have the most to lose. The tobacco industry knows they are dieing and are moving into dissovables.

Second, no one is stating that we should "shove" vaping in anyone's face. We clearly state to be respectful but open and to advocate and educate. You can be lazy and hide in dark corners with smokers but that will not help us continue to vape.

Third, staying "under the radar" is plain impractical and silly. Something that works so well in getting people off of tobacco will never stay hidden. Plus that helps no one - no advancements, no studies confirming the obvious benefits, no competition for better products and better prices. You started vaping this year. If you had started when I did, your only choice was a super mini auto device. Is that the only choice you want? I suggest you learn what it was like two years ago and when the FDA was seizing shipments and what we had to do to vape. Many of us wrote to our congressmen and senators, state and federal, had meetings, etc.

Everyone should join and at least finacially support CASAA.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Had that in a Costa before, always vape in there, management don't care then oneday a new face turned up and made a huge scene.

Tried to explain, showed him the device, how it works, explained the law to him, was having none of it but he could barely speak english. Other people sat there were actually really good towards it, they respected it and understood.

So I just said "Call the cops then ***hole". I get left alone long enough to finish my coffee, and never been back since.

Shooting up ...... would be less offensive to these idiots. Fed up with it. Banned smoking in bars, the last place I had before I took up vaping, now this crap starts. Nah, let them call the cops and i'll go by their judgement, if they can be bothered to even call them.

 

[Iffy]

Shooting up ...... would be less offensive to these idiots.

Ah ha, now I know where I can get new carto filling needles... Clean Needle Exchange Program!

 

[Devonmoonshire]

Had that in a Costa before, always vape in there, management don't care then oneday a new face turned up and made a huge scene.

Tried to explain, showed him the device, how it works, explained the law to him, was having none of it but he could barely speak english. Other people sat there were actually really good towards it, they respected it and understood.

So I just said "Call the cops then ***hole". I get left alone long enough to finish my coffee, and never been back since.

Shooting up ...... would be less offensive to these idiots. Fed up with it. Banned smoking in bars, the last place I had before I took up vaping, now this crap starts. Nah, let them call the cops and i'll go by their judgement, if they can be bothered to even call them.

Ah ha, now I know where I can get new carto filling needles... Clean Needle Exchange Program!

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG That is Hilarious Both of you Great statements I needed a laugh this morning

Thank you
Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[fb305]

I think you are completely wrong on several fronts. First, big tobacco has not been a problem and has shown no interest to date in vaping. The industry that has pumped thousands of dollars into trying to kill vaping is Big Pharm. They have the most to lose. The tobacco industry knows they are dieing and are moving into dissovables.

Second, no one is stating that we should "shove" vaping in anyone's face. We clearly state to be respectful but open and to advocate and educate. You can be lazy and hide in dark corners with smokers but that will not help us continue to vape.

Third, staying "under the radar" is plain impractical and silly. Something that works so well in getting people off of tobacco will never stay hidden. Plus that helps no one - no advancements, no studies confirming the obvious benefits, no competition for better products and better prices. You started vaping this year. If you had started when I did, your only choice was a super mini auto device. Is that the only choice you want? I suggest you learn what it was like two years ago and when the FDA was seizing shipments and what we had to do to vape. Many of us wrote to our congressmen and senators, state and federal, had meetings, etc.

Everyone should join and at least finacially support CASAA.

I still think it's stupid to get all bent out of shape and boycott a business because it doesn't allow you to vape. The fact is that the more popular vaping gets and the more people that do it in a business because they feel it's their right to do so the more businesses will include it in their no smoking policies. I don't agree with it and I think the no smoking policies in this country are absolutely ridiculous, but I'm not so worried about it that I'm going to go waving the vaping flag at every business that doesn't allow it. You want to call me lazy because I think this whole conversation is idiotic, fine, I'm lazy.

Are you seriously telling me to educate myself on the history of vaping?! That is hilarious!

 

[wv2win]

I still think it's stupid to get all bent out of shape and boycott a business because it doesn't allow you to vape. The fact is that the more popular vaping gets and the more people that do it in a business because they feel it's their right to do so the more businesses will include it in their no smoking policies. I don't agree with it and I think the no smoking policies in this country are absolutely ridiculous, but I'm not so worried about it that I'm going to go waving the vaping flag at every business that doesn't allow it. You want to call me lazy because I think this whole conversation is idiotic, fine, I'm lazy.

Are you seriously telling me to educate myself on the history of vaping?! That is hilarious!

If we all would have followed your example back in '09 &'10, then vaping would be banned nationwide by now. Since you don't understand that or care to learn the facts, then it makes sense for you to just vape with the smokers.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Growing up, EVERYONE smoked. And I do not recall one occasion where someone smelt a bit of smoke and just fell over dead or got cancer.

What about the baby boomer generation?

Smoking in bars, restaurants, HOSPITALS, buses. You name it, they lived to be seriously old as non smoking secondary smokers. So old that we have to pay for their pensions.

Now you got huge fat assclowns eating deep fried junk who have the nerve to whine about a bit of unsmelly vapour that clears quickly?

When all these fatties fall over with heart attacks they will blame vaping or secondary smoke.

When I sit down to eat a steak dinner and I have some fat lard ... next to me eating six burgers and farting with every bite, i'm not allowed to say anything. It might impede on his rights to be a glutton.

I guarantee, through billions of £s, $s and whatever else of research that that fat ... farting near me did far more damage to my health through the stress of wanting to stab him with his fat fork then what vaping in his or her vicinity would do to them.

I have nothing against obese people or fat people, I have alot about fat people who claim health superiority over ANYONE. Yet they are victims of some great conspiracy to undermine them.

I spent years breathing in people's car diesel crap because they were too fat and lazy to walk somewhere, so it's payback. You can suffer the wrath of my very dangerous toxic vape.

When I see idiots do that little fake cough, "Ahem uh Ahem" around me now, I just want to rip open their chest and piss in their lungs. YOU ARE FAKING, LIER!

I don't vape around people eating for one simple reason, I am eating. They fart near me, out comes the tank to undo the wrath they have caused.

 

[wv2win]

..........I guarantee, through billions of £s, $s and whatever else of research that that fat ... farting near me did far more damage to my health through the stress of wanting to stab him with his fat fork then what vaping in his or her vicinity would do to them.

I have nothing against obese people or fat people, I have alot about fat people who claim health superiority over ANYONE. Yet they are victims of some great conspiracy to undermine them.

I spent years breathing in people's car diesel crap because they were too fat and lazy to walk somewhere, so it's payback. You can suffer the wrath of my very dangerous toxic vape.

LMAO.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

In my country, Smokers generate the NHS £10bn plus per year in taxes, they cost the NHS £5bn per year in smoking "related" illnesses. That's £5bn of goodness.

Obese people cost the NHS £6.3bn per year and offer absolutely nothing in the way of excess taxes. Infact there are no additional taxes on alot of food, it's "against the law".

My solution is for fat people to start smoking. They will lose weight will their appetite sapped, more tax towards the medical system and everyone wins.

Alternatively, they could vape sweet fruit or whatever flavour e-liquid to aid in their efforts to cut out the junk.

But since when, does any establishment or Government ultimately care about what really is the safest, most common sense derived option? They don't care.

So you have to try to educate, and show people what you do and hope they get a grasp of it so they can pass on that knowledge.

 

[intriqken]

One fact that we must face is that they are still in business, even with the smoking bans, whether self-imposed or via governmental mandates. Another reality is that there just are not enough of us to impact the 'bottom line'.

Interesting note regarding governments and mandates:
The majority rules by the nature of it's size and strength.
Law of nature.
Government's role is to protect the rights of the 'minority'.
NOT to impose the will of the majority on all of us.

Pity we seem to have forgotten that during the last 25 years or so.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Interesting note regarding governments and mandates:
The majority rules by nature of it's size and strength.
Law of nature.
Government's role is to protect the rights of the 'minority'.

Pity we seem to have forgotten that during the last 25 years or so.

Look forward to hearing about the first arrest for someone vaping in a public place, be fun in court.

When I heard they were pumping PG through the air con system (to help cut infection spreading) in the resting room before my gf was going to give birth, maybe I should have complained eh.

 

[Mr Jones]

I guess I didn't get the memo...