A strange gamble with my addiction

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Cyre

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I also quit the day I got my ecig (about 4 weeks ago). A couple of days ago I found an unopened pack of regular cigs in my truck. I thought "Meh, why waste them...they're not cheap?", lit one up and took a puff...YUCK! How the hell did I ever stand those?? The pack went right into the trash.

Thanx to this forum for getting me to quit!!
 

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RedRaven - I'm wondering why you are using no-nic liquid but still smoking analogs for the nic hit. I don't get it? Why not just get some liquid with nicotine in it and get your nic that way?
Just wonderin'. Maybe I missed something in a previous post.
Hehe, I think I did mention that in a previous post, but I tend to ramble, so who knows? *grin* You're right on target with that question, though. :)

I started out doing it that way because when I quit with herbals before that's how I did it - by alternating, so my system was gradually getting less nicotine. And though the herbals tasted much different than a regular smoke, they felt the same. With the PV it's just such a different sensation that swapping back & forth doesn't work for me. I need to just stick with the PV completely. So, I am going to try some low-nic juice & swap out with 0 mg carts periodically. Just ordered some a minute ago actually. (Are you spying on my brain?8-o)

I am actually trying to quit, so it seemed counterproductive to just swap to getting nicotine in a different way. But, I guess I was being overly-ambitious. *shrug* *sheepish face*:oops:

I've got 2 packs of analogs left in my carton & hoping my 510 & juice will be here in the next day or two. Would love it if that was the last carton I bought.

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I appreciate now (after re-reading your previous post) that your goal is to be not only smoke-free but nicotine free as well. I commend your efforts and I suppose in a perfect world that’s where most of us would like to be at some point. But it sounds like you are trying to eat the whole steak in one huge, gigantic, overwhelming bite rather than first cutting it up into bite sized pieces. You’re cutting yourself short. Give yourself some slack. With 0 mg liquid, you are giving yourself (mind and body) no choice but to go back to the analog for the nic hit, which IS what we are addicted to. It sounds like the “cutting the meat part first” would be to replace the nic you are getting from the cigarettes and go from there. Personally, at this particular point in my journey, I don’t care if I vape for the rest of my life. As long as I DON'T SMOKE. I say to hell with mg per ml and all that ..... Whatever it takes to NOT SMOKE. Getting your nicotine will make it easier to break your "habit".
After all, it’s not the nicotine that will kill you, it’s the smoke.
 

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Thanks Tracey-

I tend to be stubborn & overly-demanding on myself sometimes. Hehe. So, I appreciate the reminder that I don't have to do it all in one go. I should have some 6 mg juice on the way. (I smoke ultra-lights now, so I think that should be a good level... we shall see. Fortunately I've got suppliers who can get me more juice fast if I need something different! Hehe).

Just hate that I am such a determined person generally - can do anything I set my mind to, against-all-odds, blah blah... but the darn smokes have been "winning" for 20 years.

Thanks for the encouragement:wub: - RR
 

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I quit analogs the day I charged my first 510 battery. (I still held onto my last pack of Marlboro's)
About three weeks into quitting analogs I was at a Ski Lodge and decided to try an analog.

The mood was right... sitting around a blazing fire pit, a mountain top lodge, a great powder day of haven't, a bunch of friends... took my first analog drag in three weeks and it was AWFUL!!! One drag and that cancer stick hit the fire pit! That was a turning point for me, I tossed that final pack in the fire like an American Indian rain dance and haven't had the urge for an analog cigarette since.

I say if you don't get that craving out of your system, it will stay with you and there is a greater chance you will return to the 4000 chemicals you are trying to avoid.
 
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I smoked for so many, many years. Nothing could save me from smoking. I even had a heart attack. If that doesn't get you to stop ...! H-ll, I smoked a cigarette a week later. As soon as I got out of the Cardiac Unit and into my car in the hospital parking lot. First thing I did was light a cigarette.
Go figure. And I'm one of the get 'er done kind of people too. But I was never able to get one up on the cigs. Till I got my PV.
And I'm not kidding about using the higher nic stuff if you need to. Luckily, I haven't had an urge for an analog since I started vaping. Just maybe the way one made me feel. So, If I have one of those moments where it's scream or take a pill, I will add a few drops of high mg juice to my cart and find that it does calm me down and I feel better. That's the addiction. That's the satisfaction I'm looking for. To feel better. But I can deal with that.
So Friends, be proud of your accomplishments. Whatever they be as of today.
 

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Yeah, pesky little buggers aren't they. I say kick 'em in the ... with some 24 mg. Try having a bottle of it around when they come knocking at your brain.
Couple of drops will send them running for the trash can!

I think this is great advice. I totally get that you don't want to be addicted to nicotine but even with "approved" smoking cessation methods there is almost always some sort of a "step down" method. With patches/gum/inhaler you start with a high dose for about 4 weeks then cut to about 1/2 the dose for another 4 weeks or so before going to "0". Even when using medications you usually start at a higher strength for WEEKS before cutting back. I think you might want to consider getting a FULL range of nic levels from at least 24mg to a mid level 12-18mg and a low 6-9 mg. Set a schedule to reduce over a few months. Nicotine is one of the most highly addictive substances known to man. Some say it is as addictive as heroine.
I think part of the problem with quitting is it's really hard to accept the fact that, being a smoker= being a drug addict. You can have all the determination in the world but it doesn't change the fact that your BODY and your BRAIN need a drug :)evil:nicotine:evil:) to function normally. Listen to your body!
Think of it this way... have you ever tried to lose a significant amount of weight (over 15 pounds)? Sure, you CAN lose it quickly by starving yourself etc. but you just wind up gaining it back because you eventually HAVE to go off the "diet". But if you take your time, lose it gradually, and change your LIFESTYLE it stays gone!:)

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You're right when you wonder if this isn't a "trick" on your part, as you say.

I don't know how much psychology you've had, but I re-read your post:

"I haven't even craved a cigarette. But I want to put things to the test. I had an opened pack, and I want to try one to see if I even like the taste anymore. But here's the thing. I'm smart, so my subconscious is smart, and I'm wondering if maybe this idea isn't a trick. So, to counter that, I gave the open pack to the wifey, and asked her to decide when I should try one. This way, I'm sure it's not just a subconscious desire to smoke again.

What do you think? Good idea? Bad?"

So, since you asked, some simple psychological observations.

Plenty of people here mix analogs and e-cigs, as they wish, for as long as they wish, in whatever proportion they wish. Plenty of people like you -- and me -- give up analogs with their first e-cig and never smoke another analog. Everybody's different.

I was a 45+ years 2 pack a day, full-flavor, 100mm smoker. LOVED smoking.

To my astonishment, I quit analogs the minute my V4L kit arrived! Hadn't planned to quit -- just got interested when somebody gave me a puff, so I ordered. Others here report the same thing. Stopped analogs immediately.

I LOVE vaping!

I don't mind being around analog smokers at all. I like to drink too (gave my remaining four cartons of analogs to my bartender). I just prefer vaping to smoking. That simple.

The "trick" you mention is exactly that, psychologically.

It's gamey as hell to involve your "wifey" and make HER "responsible" for "when I should try one." Not "if" but "when," you say. Sounds like your "smart" unconscious has already made the not-smart decision to undermine you by placing the "tempting" or "curious" analogs in her hands.

If she's smart, she'll hand them right back to you and say, "No thanks, buster. This is YOUR game with yourself. I'm not playing. You want to try analogs -- try 'em. It's got nothing to do with me. I love you either way. I loved you as a smoker, I love you as a vaper, and I'll love you if you mix 'em up. I'm not your parent."

NOW, you've involved not only her but US in this little "good idea, bad idea" game. Which is fine. That's what the forum's here for. Honest observations and sharing experiences.

As others have said, do whatever you want. Smoke an analog or don't.

It's the gaminess of all this -- and frankly the childishness of it, like all self-destructive subconscious games -- that gives your subconscious self-undermining tactic away. Or should, if you're as "smart" as you say.

You're a grown man. What you do is YOUR choice and responsibility. This "trick" you're playing on yourself, your wife, and others (by asking if it's a "good idea or bad" to "test" yourself with an analog) is not adult behavior.

We've all done it at some time or another. The REAL trick is to see it for what it is and lovingly tell your inner undermining child to either buzz off or grow up.

Like vaping? Vape.

Like smoking? Smoke.

Like mixing 'em? Mix 'em.

Everybody's different and it's all okay.

That'll be $200, please. You're welcome.

That is a very insightful post Robertogee! Though it has already been quoted twice I'm quoting it again. I strongly recommend it to anyone who skimmed it first time around.

The title "strange gamble with my addiction" might better be "permission to try just one please?"

Give yourself permission or don't. Your choice.

A suggestion for those on this thread who have indicated an ongoing desire for something more than vaping: Another thing you can give yourself permission to use or not are Swedish snus. Vaping left me still strongly craving cigarettes. Combining vaping with some snus has reduced the craving considerably. YMMV.
 
When I first tried an e-cig over a year ago it wasn't completely fulfilling (Smoking Everywhere 2.0), but I thought the idea was fantastic. All but one atty ended up getting lost, and I kinda gave up on it until I found ECF and got my first 510. From that point, I didn't expect or plan to quit, but figured I would cut down my analogs by playing a mental game with myself and giving myself permission to smoke any time I felt like one. Quickly I started trying to push myself to see how long I could go, but as soon as I managed to get a streak of a day or two going and my senses began to return, the analog was getting very unappealing. I'd bought one last pack and it lasted through the month but eventually after going several days without an analog and truly not missing them, I gave the remainder of the pack to a neighbor who asked to bum a smoke. ...It turned into an opportunity to tell him about e-cigs, and now he's working his way down.

I mention this backstory because I've found--for me at least--once I found the right combination (battery/atty/juice & even supplementing with dissolvables when needed, etc) I really had no desire for cigarettes. I felt like if I am going to be truly free, I shouldn't try to force myself away from something I enjoy, but fortunately I found something that not only is healthier, I actually enjoy it more!. Although I feel free to have an analog if I want one...I don't want one!

The one problem is that by my "accidental" quitting, I can't really point to a specific day. Was it the last time I smoked more than one? Was it the last time I had a whole one? Was it the last time I took a drag off a friends' analog just to remind myself how much I dislike them? So last night I decided that although I hadn't had more than a single puff in several weeks, I would have one full analog cigarette just before midnight. This way I have a specific date to point to, and even though I'm telling myself I have permission to have an analog any time I want one, if I do I lose the ability to say "I haven't smoked in this decade!

So, about 15 minutes before midnight, I went outside with my friends and asked for one cigarette. I smoked it and because I'd been drinking already, it wasn't as harsh as the last time I'd taken a puff...but it was mostly unpleasant, and I was actually glad to get back to what I'd now consider "the real thng".

It's 2010 and so far I am smoke free. Its a nice feeling. :thumbs:
 
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redraven

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I think this is great advice. I totally get that you don't want to be addicted to nicotine but even with "approved" smoking cessation methods there is almost always some sort of a "step down" method.... I think you might want to consider getting a FULL range of nic levels from at least 24mg to a mid level 12-18mg and a low 6-9 mg.
...You can have all the determination in the world but it doesn't change the fact that your BODY and your BRAIN need a drug (nicotine) to function normally. Listen to your body!
Think of it this way... have you ever tried to lose a significant amount of weight (over 15 pounds)? Sure, you CAN lose it quickly by starving yourself etc. but you just wind up gaining it back because you eventually HAVE to go off the "diet". But if you take your time, lose it gradually, and change your LIFESTYLE it stays gone!:)
Nod, good points. Though I have quit in the past, this is a different method than the alternating with herbals thing. I guess I assumed I could work it the same way, but it seems with a different method I'm going to have to do things differently.

I say a lot that my issue is mostly the physical part, not so much the nicotine part. And, it does lean that way, definitely, but I guess I haven't been giving the nicotine addiction part the consideration I should. Your comment about the body & brain needing it to function normally is right on & especially relevant to me, even if I tend to downplay it. I've got some hrm... "differently normal" brain chemistry to start with, so my brain really needs those extra endorphins sometimes, addiction aside. I take medication that helps, but it's not perfect.

I went ahead & ordered some various strengths of juice last night & hope that will work better. Have that nagging voice in my head saying "If you were really as cool as you think you are, you wouldn't have to do all this. You'd just quit cold-turkey!" Yeah, tend to be hard on myself... I'm not keen on New Years resolutions like "I will quit smoking today!" - not realistic sometimes & can create a whole backlash feeling if it fails. But I am going to make a New Years resolution now to do my best at reducing my smoking & eventually quitting, and to allow myself however much time I need. :)
Before you light that analog...
Watch this video on youtube...
Eww.. yuck. I'm not a squeamish person, but that's just gross. I won't go into a whole video review or I'll write 5 pages. (Film & writing are my "things.") But, I dunno... I don't find that particular video very effective. Doesn't make me go "Eww, smoking is bad." Just makes me not want to watch videos about quitting. :p It's got some good facts in there, but they are just presented in such a heavy-handed way. It's like the Tarantino version of a stop-smoking ad. And what's with the whole Clockwork Orange eyelid clamps? *boggle* /tangent off

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Well, thanks for all the responses. I'm not sure I completely conveyed my purposes, though. The whole point of putting them in the wife's hands was not to absolve myself of responsibility, but to highlight if there is a subconscious desire at work. If there was, I'd find myself wanting to ask where the pack is, check when she's planning on giving me one, etc. It would simply be a way to cause any problems to rise to the surface where I can more accurately identify them.
 

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After I had been analog free for 6 weeks I found an open pack in my desk drawer, curious as to what it would taste like I lit it.

It was like finding an old friend, it didn't taste bad, smell bad in fact I found it wonderful and so satisfying. I knew then that I would never be able to have another one... it would just be so easy for me to go back. I drenched the pack in the sink before I threw it out.

That was last May and I haven't dared try another one.
 
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