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Sassyonemeis

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I'm so digusted by all this crap. The very limited views and the word for word reiterations of the FDA press release that is well over a year old. What the hell happened to journalism where reporters would actually research the topic and learn the facts and attempt to present an unbiased story?

This is why I suggested that we use the media. We need to provide them with the FACTS, the studies, the proofs and then CHALLENGE them to take a step further and bring it to the public at large. Americans have a right to know the truths, not just the lies and half or quarter truths spouted by the governmental agencies who always have alterior motives (usually involving payments from lobbyists for BT and BP and Oil).

What has happened to American that we have become so fkn dumb!! That we just accept the BS that comes over the TV, radio and internet so blindly and accept it as the gospel truth? It's like viewing a bunch of brainwashed automatons march march march about your lives going submissively along without even a question?

ACK!!
 

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I sent this email to one station manager who ran a story "New York Considers E-Cigarette Ban."

The next time your station airs a story on electronic cigarettes, could you please stop disseminating the disinformation published by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

First of all, the FDA did not do a random sampling. There are hundreds of companies marketing electronic cigarettes. The FDA chose to test the products of two companies, Smoking Everywhere and Sottera Dba njoy. It is not a coincidence that these are companies that had filed suit against the FDA in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. The lower court has issued an injunction against the FDA seizing incoming products at U.S. Customs. The court’s opinion document pointed out that the FDA failed to present any evidence that anyone has been harmed by the products. The injunction was upheld by the U.S. Court of Appeals. Yet the FDA continues to waste taxpayer money filing appeal after appeal in an effort to prove that electronic cigarettes are dangerous, unapproved drug delivery devices.

When the FDA’s tests did not reveal any chemicals that present a danger to human health, the Public Relations department was enlisted to spin the results into something that sounded frightening. The words “carcinogens” and “antifreeze” were carefully selected for their shock value. Who does not fear developing cancer or being poisoned?

The information that the FDA withheld was that tobacco-specific Nitrosamines (TSNAs), the chemicals referred to as “carcinogens” in the FDA ‘s press conference, are also found in FDA-approved nicotine products such as the patch, gum, lozenges, and inhalers. The FDA also failed to mention that the largest of quantity of TSNAs they found in an e-cigarette cartridge is approximately the same quantity as contained in a 21 mg Nicoderm patch. If 8 ng of TSNAs from a nicotine patch or 4 pieces of nicotine gum isn‘t likely to cause cancer, then it’s misleading to refer to those 8 ng in an e-cigarette cartridge as “carcinogens.”

The rule of thumb used when talking about potentially harmful chemicals is “The dose makes the poison.” Someone who smokes a pack of Marlboros takes in over 100,000 ng of TSNAs per day. Smoking has been linked to cancer, but there are no known cases of cancer linked to nicotine patches, gum, lozenges, prescription inhalers, or to the electronic cigarette at a daily TSNA dose of 8 ng.

As for the toxin diethylene glycol, although it can be used as antifreeze, it is also used on tobacco to keep it moist, so it would have been more accurate for the FDA to call it “a tobacco humectant.” But that doesn’t sound as scary, does it?

The FDA did report that it detected a quantity of 1% in one of the 18 cartridges tested. No DEG was detected in the vapor from any of the cartridges, and in fact DEG has never been detected by any other organization’s testing in the liquid or the vapor.

The cartridges hold one ml of liquid, so the quantity FDA found is 0.01 ml. How toxic is this quantity? It would take 100 cartridges to accumulate 1 ml of DEG. Most consumers use one cartridge a day. Some may use as many as 3 cartridges. The fatal dose of DEG is 1 ml per kg of body weight. So for a 150 pound person to be fatally poisoned, he or she would need to ingest the contents of 6,600 cartridges—in a single day.

Dr. Michael Siegel of the Boston University School of Public Health published an article in the December 2010 issue of the Journal of Public Health Policy. He reviewed the available evidence on the safety and effectiveness of electronic cigarettes and concluded: “A preponderance of the evidence available shows that they are much safer than smoking cigarettes and comparable in the toxicity of conventional nicotine replacement products.”
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf

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I'm so digusted by all this crap. The very limited views and the word for word reiterations of the FDA press release that is well over a year old. What the hell happened to journalism where reporters would actually research the topic and learn the facts and attempt to present an unbiased story?

This is why I suggested that we use the media. We need to provide them with the FACTS, the studies, the proofs and then CHALLENGE them to take a step further and bring it to the public at large. Americans have a right to know the truths, not just the lies and half or quarter truths spouted by the governmental agencies who always have alterior motives (usually involving payments from lobbyists for BT and BP and Oil).

What has happened to American that we have become so fkn dumb!! That we just accept the BS that comes over the TV, radio and internet so blindly and accept it as the gospel truth? It's like viewing a bunch of brainwashed automatons march march march about your lives going submissively along without even a question?

ACK!!


And ABC seems to be the worse of the offenders. I can't even consider them a legitimate news source at this point. I'm beginning to think ABC stands for the "All BS Channel".
 

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Great reply Elaine. One of the things that repeatedly irritates me is referring to the boat loads of money e-cig companies are making. First of all, I hope so. They are in business to, I guess, make money. And they do have start up costs to cover. But with new products and more businesses, the market will rule. If some company is priced too high, another company will pick up the consumer. We have already seen it with the liquid vendors. They have invented a better mousetrap, not to mention given us, the consumer, many choices in our e-liquid decisions. And we have certainly seen businesses on this site come and go. An e-cig and all that goes with it is cheaper than smoking if we CHOOSE to keep it simple. And I daresay no e-cig company will ever make what Philip Morris has
 

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Elaine,

I agree, fantastic post. I'd also like to see some of the letters you've faxed to legislators, they'd be helpful sending to our local represenitives.


Great reply Elaine. One of the things that repeatedly irritates me is referring to the boat loads of money e-cig companies are making. First of all, I hope so. They are in business to, I guess, make money. And they do have start up costs to cover. But with new products and more businesses, the market will rule. If some company is priced too high, another company will pick up the consumer. We have already seen it with the liquid vendors. They have invented a better mousetrap, not to mention given us, the consumer, many choices in our e-liquid decisions. And we have certainly seen businesses on this site come and go. An e-cig and all that goes with it is cheaper than smoking if we CHOOSE to keep it simple. And I daresay no e-cig company will ever make what Philip Morris has

And none of them mention the loads of money being pulled in from taxes. If anyone has statistics on state and federal tax totals I'd be interested.

I read on another post (of which I can't recall) that Fox News recently estimated 47.5 million smokers in the US, and a state and federal tax average of $1.45 per pack; with NY in the lead at around $5.25 and I think Illinois second with $3.50ish. If one assumes a pack a day for all those smokers, that's nearly 69 million a day, and approx 26 billion annually.

I'd love to be able to refine and update those estimates to help illustrate to the anti's that it truely is about the money.
 

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Picture this...Your on the 12th floor of a burning building, the fire has started on the ground floor and is burning out of control. You see the obvious. if you stay here, you'll die. There is an emergency exit on this floor leading to to a fire escape. As a matter of fact, as luck would have it, the fire escape was just installed last week by a Chinese company. As you and the other people on the floor race toward the exit, a government building inspector, who just happened to be in town for the week to attend a government sponsored conference 'How to decide what's good for 'em and still make a bundle', slaps a padlock on the door for the emergency exit while loudly declaring.. 'OK folks, We are going to have to sit tight right where we are and hope for the best....this exit has not been tested, inspected, reviewed and certified by our safety regulators! And on top of that the Chinese company has yet to pay us for the license to operate this exit! We should be OK though, because...well because buildings have been catching fire just like this for a long time! You can all dial this free government help line for assistance and advice on what to do if your ever trapped in a burning building. It's a free public service sponsored by folks at Pfizer!'

I enjoyed this one... A very good analogy.
 

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I would love to know what knuckleheads that Talbot ordered from and if she actually has a witness or two to her supposed leaks -- she is so full of .... in that article, an obvious shill for the pharmaceutical companies who sponsor so much 'research' -- maybe the FDA should actually do their job and test prescription drugs like they used to -- oh, wait, that's not what the industry wants!:laugh: Once again, screw the common man for the almighty dollar - and tax dollar!:grr:
 

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The news world is full of jaded press releases designed to promote one product over the other. You can only wonder where the negative articles originate. Just follow the money or the potential loss of it and you have the answer. Tobacco and Pharma are both suspects. Their publicity departments thrive on this type of "public service article".
 

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The sad thing is that there are so many people who believe everything they're being fed without question. Not just on this topic, but on all of them. I believe it's part of the dumbing down of America.

I'm just starting out on this e-cig path. Never in a million years would I have thought that I would quit smoking. I've never tried or wanted to quit. But here I am. I'm still smoking about 5 analogs a day, so far. But I can't believe how quickly I got to this point. I just started vaping last Tuesday.

So it really infuriates me that they are trying to make vaping illegal. Telling us how they're looking out for us, when they're really only looking out for themselves, and that they know what's best. We are not children. We have our own brains to think with. I also hate how they are using the media to propagandize, once again. I'm not usually one to get involved in politics much, but I'm sick of being treated like a child that needs to be protected by my government. Personally I think I need to be protected from my government.

I am journaling my experiences, and all that I am learning about vaping. I hope to turn it into an article at some point. And I really hope to be able to help get the message out that this is an incredible, and safe, option for smokers.
 

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Picture this...Your on the 12th floor of a burning building, the fire has started on the ground floor and is burning out of control. You see the obvious. if you stay here, you'll die. There is an emergency exit on this floor leading to to a fire escape. As a matter of fact, as luck would have it, the fire escape was just installed last week by a Chinese company. As you and the other people on the floor race toward the exit, a government building inspector, who just happened to be in town for the week to attend a government sponsored conference 'How to decide what's good for 'em and still make a bundle', slaps a padlock on the door for the emergency exit while loudly declaring.. 'OK folks, We are going to have to sit tight right where we are and hope for the best....this exit has not been tested, inspected, reviewed and certified by our safety regulators! And on top of that the Chinese company has yet to pay us for the license to operate this exit! We should be OK though, because...well because buildings have been catching fire just like this for a long time! You can all dial this free government help line for assistance and advice on what to do if your ever trapped in a burning building. It's a free public service sponsored by folks at Pfizer!'

I love this one as well, but he forgot something the advice is run to the nearest fire escape. vicious circles much.
 
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