Phil also said " i have held one, i have used one and now i own one and now....i understand" - provari speak from phil himself.
About to pull my hair out picking a pv mod.
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I am ordering a Lambo for now, I will end up getting a box mod for around the house usage. Maybe even think about a Provari if these devices dont fit the bill. Im just very careful what I spend my money on, since I am on a fixed income, popping the cash for a provari is a big time venture. If someone steals it from me, im screwed for months with no pv.
I would actually consider building a mod if I had any skills to do it, i know they have the box mods you can make, but for 10 15 bucks more you can get them premade so thats not really worth the effort of doing it. The box mod from mistereliquid.com is a vv beast it looks like to me. And at 50 bucks "not including batteries" that seems like a steal since its 0.0-7.4v.
I dont mean to attack the Provari so much, sorry to any fans of it that think that is the case, trust me if I had the money I would buy one right now no problem because of the voltage regulation is spot on from start to finish of the battery. Its just the money for 1 provari, even without any extras is equal to 5 months of smoking analogs to me. I really cant justify that purchase.
I would actually consider building a mod if I had any skills to do it, i know they have the box mods you can make, but for 10 15 bucks more you can get them premade so thats not really worth the effort of doing it. The box mod from mistereliquid.com is a vv beast it looks like to me. And at 50 bucks "not including batteries" that seems like a steal since its 0.0-7.4v.
I dont mean to attack the Provari so much, sorry to any fans of it that think that is the case, trust me if I had the money I would buy one right now no problem because of the voltage regulation is spot on from start to finish of the battery. Its just the money for 1 provari, even without any extras is equal to 5 months of smoking analogs to me. I really cant justify that purchase.
I see nothing wrong with that and don't understand why you are always complaining about Provape being a greedy company because of the price of their APV's.
AltSmoke sells their Silver Bullet and BB for the same $85; basically they are both the same mod but each take a different sized battery, same with the Provari and Mini Provari. Do you have the same issue with AltSmoke?
Gathering only from comments that I read here on ECF, I don't believe Provape needs to worry much at all about any slowing of sales. I see more people saying that they are buying a Provari than any other variable voltage device other than a Twist. When I saw the price drop advertised, I just assumed they were making room for their new colors.
Your sense of logic defies imagination sometimes, but that's what I like about you.First of all, you hang around ECF because you enjoy helping other vapors, right? Who are you to say why anyone else does the same.
When Provari owners encourage people looking for the best device to get a Provari, its because we have one and totally realize that it is what it is. With a Provari, we believe you get what you pay for. Some of us have had the cheaper knockoffs and been disappointed with them and regretted not getting a Provari in the first place. The Provari and Provape's reputations have stood the test of time since it was released and they are universally recognized as the standard in the industry.
And the reason that I recommend one (I don't "push" anything, except perhaps the Slap-Yo-Moma) is that I sincerely believe it is the best mod readily available (always in stock). We defend it because of biased people such as yourself who always degrade it as an overpriced, overrated APV. Because we believe in the device and the company, heck yes we will defend it. Just as you defend Chinese products.
Is a Provari a good choice for everyone. No. If they have the financial means to buy one and are wavering between it and a cheaper device, should they get the Provari. In my opinion, yes. The choice is ultimately theirs to make.
I think I smell some subconscious Provari-envy.
The Slap Yo' Mama tool huh? You're a carto tanker then? I am thinking about trying it since I still use my cartos sometimes (sans tank) to see what all the fuss is about, but I do despise the Bogegate situation. As I have said numerous times before my Boges are 7 months old by now and running strong thanks to my cleaning technique (blog).
Read my post I made after yours for greater understanding. I don't envy the Provari I hate their marketing plan/greed. If I got one today for free I'm sure I'd love it, but I don't NEED it. TBH the only feature I really would like that I don't have is the ability to tell what my resistance is for re-wicking purposes. As I said before I like the 2.0-2.4ohm range at 3.8v so having 6v means nothing to me. I don't need 12 watts at 6v, 3.0 ohms, 2amps to get a good vape. I am not a reckless throat hit chaser.
No, I like Altsmoke. I had a serious problem with an order I made from them and, although it took a week to get a proper response, they did make it right and I got the better end of the deal so I have high praises for them. They also have the cheapest GENUINE JoyETech eGo C Twist Replacement Battery on the market AFAIK right now, so their prices are very competitive. Also they have low shipping costs (usually $2.50 on smaller orders), plus they are an Ohio company (sucks paying taxes though after being super taxed for years on analogs). You will also note that they are on my list of recommended vendors in my blog, the Vaper's Handbook (which some Provari fanboys decided to hate on my rating btw - 5 star me if you like my style and spread the love - hate is ugly). The SB is a nice mod, if you kick it, and yes that puts it near the price of a Provari, but Darwin's last I checked are not for sale and it looks a heck of a lot nicer than the Darwin (whose looks evolved completely contrary to Darwinism apparently
) although it wouldn't outperform it due to amp limits of the Kick.I like you too. I know I got crazy on the Provari before, but I said it perfect this time (before I read your post - I respond in order). I too evolve.
Oh and BTW: I comment/blog to help people. I compile information for my reference as well, and I get paid to do it while I work for a living. It passes the time quite nicely while I wait for computers to do their thing. And the graveyard shift sucks, but I stayed up all night so I can go to 1st shift again by Monday.
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I just gotta say that every time I post a question or rant, or read others that people respond to, I learn so much about the vaping culture and the ins and outs of it. I just want to give a shout out to every person who tries to help others here on ECF. God bless you guys. Vape on.
I'm a huge fan of the SB + Kick + sleeve (for 18650 battereis) setup. It adds up to close the Provari price but I'd rather have VW than VV any day. Used Twist and other VV eGos until I had the jack to spend on the SB setup, and they worked great too, but not VW great. Now I don't have to worry about recoiling Vivi Nova heads and they turn out 3.5 ohm or so!
I'm a huge fan of the SB + Kick + sleeve (for 18650 battereis) setup. It adds up to close the Provari price but I'd rather have VW than VV any day. Used Twist and other VV eGos until I had the jack to spend on the SB setup, and they worked great too, but not VW great. Now I don't have to worry about recoiling Vivi Nova heads and they turn out 3.5 ohm or so!
i loved my SB + Kick + EX until my provari came. everything just tasted better IMO. Plus that SB was damn heavy lol
Yeah, the setup is a tad weighty but I've already gotten used to it. Could easily knockout a werewolf if you clonk it over the head with a SB!
just watch dropping it on your toe in the middle of the night when you have to use the little boys/girls room and you are so used to always having it handy that you take it with you, but then since its 2:30am you drop it on the pinky toe and it not only damn near break the little piggy but it wakes up the mrs. and the 2 year old son who is fighting a cold. not a fun day in the cerver7 house hold lol
Ok this comment drove me to reply, you and many others are just as big if not worse fanboys of the twist, refered to by many of us as "twisters". How are you any different?
Many of us DO NOT want a twist and will NEVER own one. At the same time I don't own a provari either, or for that matter any VV device. What I do own and vape is iHybrid. Now that being said I use to want a provari, I have used one, it vapes beautifully, it is a lot smaller than I expected, even smaller than the SB. I do think it is worth what they are asking, and it does feel very high quality, however it isn't what I want.
There is no one answer for everyone, if there was we would have one type of house, one type of car, one brand of cigs, and one e-cig. But instead there are hundreds out because people like different things.
I don't even know where to start.......
I think you are assuming I am trying to argue points that I have never mentioned. Is the provari a good device? A poor device? I will leave that up to the users. I don't like arguing for what device is better, more accurate, better bargain, etc, etc, etc. It is a fruitless argument. People like different things. Enough said on that.
The only point I was making was that OP over-quoted the price. OP quoted the price at $250. The actual price is $159. I guess you can call me lucky because with everything you are saying is a must for add-ons I didn't get when I bought mine. I ended up spending ~$179 for mine 6 months ago. I already had a charger and batteries. I didn't need those things. I am sure there are a lot of other people out there that already have that stuff too. I understand not everyone has that stuff but a lot of people do. I didn't feel it was worth the extra $20 for a black or chrome Provari and I actually think the satin silver looks awesome. I passed on the blue LED. $15 for something I will see maybe once a day? So there you go. I ended up paying a total of $179. There are a lot of people that are buying the mini Provaris. If you want to save on the end cap, then just buy the standard and it is the exact same size as the mini with extension.
It's all good. I never felt like you were personally attacking me. We are just exchanging opinions. An argument yes, but arguments can be civil and can be a great way to exchange ideas.
As for the audience at home.... we can let them go to the provape website and decide for themselves.
I just remember when I was contemplating on picking up a provari. I heard prices in the range of $300+. I really wanted one but just couldn't justify spending that much on a vaping device. When I finally went to the Provape website just to look at pictures I saw the price of $159 and was floored! At that point debating on whether to spend $300+ on a device, the price of $160 was almost like it was free! I just want to give others the opportunity that are on the fence about it to know that they don't have to be $300 devices.
Oh, and the warranty thing.... I think it was in the last post I quoted...... I think you misunderstood what I was saying. My point was that the warranty option is a goldmine for Provape.
For example,
I am way over estimating these numbers and even with my over estimations it is still a rip off to buy the warranty.
- Lets assume 10% of Provari users have a problem with their device and need repair within the time frame of the extended warranty.
- Now lets say the average cost for repair is $50.
- That means you are risking to lose $50, 10% of the time. $50(10%)= $5
- So your risk on average cost of repair is only $5. Way less than the $15 they want for the warranty.
The actual numbers would probably be more like 0.5% at $30. But I am just completely guessing here.
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Wow, i have heard people throwing the word "fanboy" around quite a bit, and now there are "twisters" too? Lets try not to let the vaping community get like the rest of the world and divide ourselfs with simple labels and ways to look at each other with hate people...please.
That being said, the provari looks kind of like purple without paying the 20 for the color, 20 more for the 18650 extension, batteries, charger, so yeah its not gonna be 159 for anybody unless they only want the base unit with nothing else, and no extension for the battery either so they can switch them around or whatever. Dont get me wrong I would like to have a provari myself, if nothing else to see what all the fuss is about. But that is around 1/4 what i bring in per month on ssd, so thats just not gonna happen.
But spending that much on it when the market is changing SO FAST and SO MUCH is like betting that an nfl team will win a superbowl in week 1. Just my opinion on it.
That being said, the provari looks kind of like purple without paying the 20 for the color, 20 more for the 18650 extension, batteries, charger, so yeah its not gonna be 159 for anybody unless they only want the base unit with nothing else, and no extension for the battery either so they can switch them around or whatever. Dont get me wrong I would like to have a provari myself, if nothing else to see what all the fuss is about. But that is around 1/4 what i bring in per month on ssd, so thats just not gonna happen.
But spending that much on it when the market is changing SO FAST and SO MUCH is like betting that an nfl team will win a superbowl in week 1. Just my opinion on it.
I was anti-Provari just because of the fanboy elitist sh..stuff I saw posted on ECF. I started with the Volt 78mm batteries. I was one of those people that would have never made the switch if I had to deal with something that didn't mimic a cig in size and ease of use. I used prefilled cartos only for 2-3 months before I even felt comfortable venturing out into the wide world of juices. Then I got the Volt X2s (eGo size 3.7v regulated) for better battery life once I didn't care about the size. Now I use those out and about and a Zenesis Mini because I loved the idea of a rebuildable, love the workmanship that goes into them, and it hits like a freight train. I don't need a Provari, however, having been at a local vape meet and having seen, held, and vaped a Provari.... I get it. They are a solid, well built, feel the quality device, that perform very, very well. I will be getting a mini and a Z-atty for it for a sit down vape, and a few other delivery methods for an out and about vape as soon as I can afford to. Yes, there may be great things coming for vaping down the road, but I have yet to abandon any of the devices I own for the next great thing. They all have their time and place that I use them. I haven't purchased any devices since June... my costs have been solely on juice and delivery devices. My monthly cig cost was over $300, so personally, I can justify buying a Provari if it's a device I feel adds to my enjoyment of vaping.
Exactly, you already had almost everything. If you don't, or you want a less than perfect device, it's $250+.
Why would you spend that kind of money to go halfway? That's my question.
The differences you mentioned were what put it closer to $250 than $280 (if you get the warranty, battery cap, 2 batteries and a charger - not including the necessary adapter that you can get for $2 from China, or an $8 american one from provapes).
Save up and do it right if that's what you want to do. Not getting 18650s in there, the color you want, the warranty, etc. is like getting a Cadillac with plastic hubcaps and crank to roll down your windows. If that's the case maybe a Toyota Corolla is the better option. That's what I'm getting at. Both get you to the same location, but only one does it with style.
I appreciate that. I put a LOT of work into the Vaper's Handbook and addressing noobs on almost a daily basis, so thank you. What really upsets me is when fanboys in opposition to my beliefs come 1 star my blog because they didn't like what I said. Address me in the thread, don't come terrorize my blog because you don't like what I said in a thread - it's immature. It's a massive disservice to the community, and the blog which is designed to help noobs and veterans alike. If you'd like to be kind, and combat this ignorance, please go to my blog (links in my signature) and give me 5 stars (upper right hand corner). It is for this reason that I am going to get a domain and go online with it, where it will be free from such oppression.
At that time I will also apply for registered blogger status.
BTW: I've not seen a more thorough repair guide to eGo clones anywhere on the internet. It's in my blog though complete with pics and videos as well as detailed step by step instructions. Is that really worth 1 star?
And like I said, how many people point to the superior durability as a buying point and then don't put their money where their mouth is and not get the warranty. I know if I bought a provari I'd get it, so I am not faulting it. I'd do it because I'd be so over budget that I couldn't afford to get new stuff for a couple months. Even so, being without it while it's being serviced would really suck if that's the only PV one had. That's why I advocate a twist for everyone.
Actually if you look around you will find multiple threads where Provaris die, even in as little as 1 day. Many owners have had them serviced or upgraded from V1 to V2. I will say this in their defense; that upgrade was pretty cheap.
Hi nancy!
I can agree with that, however, at the price point one can not really go wrong with a genuine JoyEtech eGo C Twist. It's a heck of a lot easier to endorse that over a product that costs 10x as much. It's probably the best place for newbies to start in the present day. You started vaping just before the Twist came out (IIRC), so try to look at it from that perspective and how it may have affected your decision to buy a BB instead.
I have a generic knockoff twist btw, I thought I'd take a chance after taking apart a couple of KGOs and seeing vids where many clones actually have the same parts inside. I got burned too. You can't twist it without a rubber jar opener. That's why I recommend genuine. I didn't send it back because it wasn't worth the hassle. It works, I just have to set the voltage where I want it. If I focus my chi I CAN move it sometimes without the jar gripper. The $7 I saved has cost me 2 blisters from friction burn twisting it with the jar gripper trying to loosen it up and a heck of a lot of frustration.
I can also confirm that this is the first time I've heard of these so called "Twisters". lol.
You should point out that you won that iHybrid for free though. I'd use one too if I won it.
Also, what happened to your Provari if you don't mind me asking? This is the first time I am hearing of this.
Yeah, Jen, some people did spend a lot more money on cigs than I did. I look at how much money I saved versus others and I think, that's really not that much. Part of that is due to the fact that Ohio doesn't have the worst prices on tobacco, part is due to my former habit, part is due to the fact that I have a tobacco tube stuffer and would often use pipe tobacco to lower the costs even lower than my quit banner says (it was an economical solution for social drinking/smoking when you're too drunk to care and just want to SMOKE!
). I personally am all about vaping as well, and as frugally, as possible. I'm tired of being an addict who is taxed daily because of my addiction. The other reason is that there are many of us who are not doing well in this economy and I mean to help them get the job done as cheaply, as effectively as possible. I consider it a pretty good mission at the end of the day.The reason I don't recommend Volts to people is because they may not be sufficient to help some of the more hardcore smokers. If they use them that hard the multiple chargings per day leads to an early death of the battery (since all brands of lithium ion batteries were found to uniformly lose 30% capacity after 300 full discharges and full recharges according to Battery University.com the lower the capacity in the first place only exacerbates this problem). For the price, and what you could get for the same money (Twist?) the Volt is not the best first move IMO for the majority of first time vapers. Is the Volt a piece of junk? Not really, for its size it's very impressive what it can do. I just wish they were cheaper. Less should be less, not more. The Volt doesn't fit into my mission.
I see you are part of the Zenation. I am not a big fan of the Zenesis for the price, and my buddy Estarra (RockinRobbieSF here on ECF) got one and HATES it. I'm a clearomizer guy which works for me, and cheap. That said, I'm not telling people not to get zen'd up though I do recommend that one make their own for a few bucks (video how is in my blog) and try before they wait 6 months and spend $150 only to hate it like Estarra did.
I DIY my own juice and I find the quality to be superior to anything I have gotten commercially. My cost for juice is about 20 cents a day, 6 bucks a month. I think with my next batch of chems I can get the price down to maybe 15 cents a day too.
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Where it will be free from the "oppression" of people being able to express their opinions about it? Hmmmm, that's not "oppression." You want to be able to express YOUR opinion, but others should not be able to express THEIR opinions about YOUR opinion. Now I get it.
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