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[ratpack7]

Here is fine
Dan

I know you are trying to make this work with standard equipment. But it just hit me while at work that the hole in the 510 connector is restricting the air flow. If you were to design this as part of a atomizer/tank system with an air inlet the same size as the fan with that you would have a mini fog machine.

 

[asdaq]

It isn't the 510 hole, there is a flower of holes just below the fan, but, there could be more and they could be bigger.
Dan, with the carto somehow it showed a measurable standard unit, nice stuff there. What # is the electropiezo? It would be nice to see what hit you get from not actually touching the mod to your lips, in a video

 

[Scubabatdan]

It isn't the 510 hole, there is a flower of holes just below the fan, but, there could be more and they could be bigger.
Dan, with the carto somehow it showed a measurable standard unit, nice stuff there. What # is the electropiezo? It would be nice to see what hit you get from not actually touching the mod to your lips, in a video

The problem with the electropiezo pump is it needs a complete circuit built to drive it. I found that after I got it. When I was looking up which connector was pos and neg, it had a warning not to connect it directly to DC power. And when you scroll down in the PDF for it, it gives a circuit that has to be built to drive it. Usless given the area I have to work with.
Have a new fan design I think will solve my problems
Dan

 

[Scubabatdan]

Here is the new design... 15mm in dia, 12mm tall

Dan

 

[Robert T]

Squirrel cage FTW!

I played your last video for my daughter and she came up with something it would be useful for besides the copd thing, if you have dental surgery they tell you not to suck on straws, cigarettes and such. I hope you don't need to get any pulled but you would be set, Dan.

 

[Scubabatdan]

Squirrel cage FTW!

I played your last video for my daughter and she came up with something it would be useful for besides the copd thing, if you have dental surgery they tell you not to suck on straws, cigarettes and such. I hope you don't need to get any pulled but you would be set, Dan.

LOL funny you should mention that, proto 3 is going on loan to rusalka for his dental surgery comming up! Geat minds think alike!
Dan

 

[TomCatt]

LOL! Years ago when I had all four wisdom teeth removed, they told me that. Went home still whacked out on whatever it was they knocked me out with. So, I can't smoke, huh? Well I showed them, lit a cig, stuck it up one nostril, held the other one closed and had me a smoke.


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[perlionsmitnick]

Here is the new design... 15mm in dia, 12mm tall

Dan

Where is the outlet for that? Conventional squirrel cage types intake in the middle and exhaust to the outer circumference exit point.

 

[rusalka]

LOL! Years ago when I had all four wisdom teeth removed, they told me that. Went home still whacked out on whatever it was they knocked me out with. So, I can't smoke, huh? Well I showed them, lit a cig, stuck it up one nostril, held the other one closed and had me a smoke.


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Now that is ingenious and stubborn.

 

[Scubabatdan]

Where is the outlet for that? Conventional squirrel cage types intake in the middle and exhaust to the outer circumference exit point.

As your looking at it, it will spin clockwise. There will be 4 oval shaped 3/16" x 8mm long inlet holes around the circumferance of the body, the outlet hole is the top hole your looking at. I just reversed the design so the inlet and outlet are opposite.
Here is a cutaway...

And the mod design it will fit into...

Dan

 

[BJ43]

Dan this works but not the most efficient the spinning air has a centrifugal force that wants to push the air toward the sides, so your vanes have to overcome this force, that is the reason it is usually the opposite and the wind force is a sum of the vane force and centrifugal force.

 

[BJ43]

If you are looking for pressure use the fan principle used on a jet engines to build up pressure in the combustion chamber, you can put two horizontal rotating fans on the same motor shaft with a stationary fan between the two to build up pressure and reduce turbulence. The air intake can still be air holes in the casing below the fan blades. More fans rotating with stationary between, more pressure. Limited by the power of the motor.

Quote: Once the air passes through the air intake, it enters the portion of the engine called the compressor. The role of the compressor is exactly what it sounds like - to compress the air into a smaller volume than that which it would normally occupy, which increases both the pressure of the air and, consequently, its temperature. This is accomplished with a complex system of rotating and stationary fan blades.

 

[Scubabatdan]

If you are looking for pressure use the fan principle used on a jet engines to build up pressure in the combustion chamber, you can put two horizontal rotating fans on the same motor shaft with a stationary fan between the two to build up pressure and reduce turbulence. The air intake can still be air holes in the casing below the fan blades. More fans rotating with stationary between, more pressure. Limited by the power of the motor.

Quote: Once the air passes through the air intake, it enters the portion of the engine called the compressor. The role of the compressor is exactly what it sounds like - to compress the air into a smaller volume than that which it would normally occupy, which increases both the pressure of the air and, consequently, its temperature. This is accomplished with a complex system of rotating and stationary fan blades.

So what your talking is somthing like this:

Stationary center fan with blades in the opposite direction:

With two fans that rotate in the same direction:

All set into a housing that can be dropped into a mod:

Would be 12mm long appoximantly, and 15mm in dia.

http://www.shapeways.com/model/695327/c892182eea64d6ac08b012a757347063

Dan

 

[BJ43]

So what your talking is somthing like this:

Stationary center fan with blades in the opposite direction:

With two fans that rotate in the same direction:

All set into a housing that can be dropped into a mod:

Would be 12mm long appoximantly, and 15mm in dia.

Turbine Assy by scubabatdan on Shapeways

Dan

You got it and and if the case were cone shaped the reduction as the air goes thru would add even more pressure. The top fan smaller than the lower fan in the cone.
Air intake holes around the case just below the first fan.

 

[Scubabatdan]

You got it and and if the case were cone shaped the reduction as the air goes thru would add even more pressure. The top fan smaller than the lower fan in the cone.
Air intake holes around the case just below the first fan.

Ok go one on order, will let you know when I get it in
Dan

 

[rusalka]

That is a radical design change. I hope it works.

 

[OasisMike]

would something like this allow for a more 'natural' cigarette hit?



from v1 to now, it looks like you'll get more pressure and volume using larger, stacked fans - the stacked fans remind me of rack-mount servers, or how they stack fans for higher air-flow from front-to-rear.

The air bulb idea would possibly afford vapor collection and "hit" but the vapor would probably be too cool to feel like a cigarette.

snus is the answer, haha...we are too close to this (too hooked on replacing the cigarette)

 

[Scubabatdan]

would something like this allow for a more 'natural' cigarette hit?

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from v1 to now, it looks like you'll get more pressure and volume using larger, stacked fans - the stacked fans remind me of rack-mount servers, or how they stack fans for higher air-flow from front-to-rear.

The air bulb idea would possibly afford vapor collection and "hit" but the vapor would probably be too cool to feel like a cigarette.

snus is the answer, haha...we are too close to this (too hooked on replacing the cigarette)

Good idea, but you would have to built a special case/battery holder for it. I am looking to produce somthing that could be placed between the existing atty and battery so the system is seamless to a point. Plus all I have to do is press the power button, not squeeze a bulb at the same time I am pressing the power button.
Thanks!
Dan

 

[OasisMike]

yeah, the vapor would be cooled to the point of annoyance, but it would allow a mechanical shot-gun of the hit (plus it's too big)

mechanical throat-hit though...and could also eliminate the need for fans by mechanical collection of vapor (squeeze, fire as releasing to collect, stop then squeeze again to shot-gun)

I wonder if this could work as a separate attachment, almost as it comes out of the box, with a normal e-cig...? vapor would, again, be overly cooled.

Hey, I remember that post about OPCD patients needing something like this from about a year ago, and the simple narrative of you taking up this development to meet the needs of others allows me a nice spritz of dopamine...Zen "Mudita" over your work for others, and the human narrative of caring for others in a physical way - WAY to Go, Dan!

 

[bstedh]

The squirrel cage design will suck air through the atomizer, just put a flute like mouth piece on the side of the fan assembly. It may look a little funny but should work amazing. Or to push air up put the opening to the bottom and rifle the air chamber to direct the airflow to the top. The rifleing should match the direction of fan rotation and be fairly deep.

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