Air Powered Assited Module (APAM)

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The biggest reason the squirrel cage is "backwards" is because the outer edges are moving faster than the inner edges. It creates low pressure in the center, where you want the intake. If you flip the blades and reverse the rotation it would probably work pretty good. You'd have to modify the housing a bit but not a lot.

 

[bstedh]

Even when a squirrel cage fan is running backwards the air flow is still in the one direction. Just very poorly. This is due to the centripetal, centrifical , and air pressure forces. The squirrel cage throws air instead of pushes air. Much like a lacrosse stick. No matter how the end of the stick is curved that ball is never coming in towards you it's always going away from you. The best way to describe it is that the centripetal force is greater than the mechanical force of the blade biting into the air and pushing it.

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[bstedh]

This is how the air would flow. You can play around with the different ways that the Air is channeled but this is the basic concept that you would wind up having to follow.

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[bstedh]

I wonder what would happen if you took a standard fan blade and put a parabolic curve on the blade between the hub and the tip? It would almost look like a tulip flower head.

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[perlionsmitnick]

Interesting thread.

 

[revolver]

Interesting indeed!

 

[roadrash]

would something like this allow for a more 'natural' cigarette hit?

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from v1 to now, it looks like you'll get more pressure and volume using larger, stacked fans - the stacked fans remind me of rack-mount servers, or how they stack fans for higher air-flow from front-to-rear.

The air bulb idea would possibly afford vapor collection and "hit" but the vapor would probably be too cool to feel like a cigarette.

snus is the answer, haha...we are too close to this (too hooked on replacing the cigarette)

LOL

I wanted to try this idea the poor mans way, so I used a turkey baster and my homemade shotgun with only one carto. Got little smoke signals. It needs more constant air flow. I gonna get a small regulated air tank with a foot pedal to try next.

 

[Scubabatdan]

LOL

I wanted to try this idea the poor mans way, so I used a turkey baster and my homemade shotgun with only one carto. Got little smoke signals. It needs more constant air flow. I gonna get a small regulated air tank with a foot pedal to try next.

How about this

Dan

 

[PEneoark]

HAHAHAHA

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[rusalka]

now that is perfect for the mind blowing vape.

 

[Scubabatdan]

Still waiting on my new turbine design. Just got my 12 blade 15mm fan in! Wow sweet looking. Puts out some good airflow.
Dan

 

[revolver]

I haven't yet read the entire thread (will shortly...) but have seen some videos... This sounds exciting and promising... I have thought about something like this in the past but it was more of a sci-fi sort of fantasy and I'm not technically-skilled as you are so couldn't figure how to articulate my idea into reality... However the technology you are going for sounds my dream come true...

In my dreams it was more of a supplementary aid, and you could vape with or without it and basically you could activate the air-pump as a sort of turbo to empower your vape, so to speak...

I called this idea NITROMIZER with my vaper friends and we tought it would be great to have a sort of pull in the PV which would trigger a nitro-powerful turbulent thingy to vape short and strong !!!

Keep us posted!!!

=)

 

[revolver]

Ok, I have done hmwk, and read everything quickly... Sounds PERFECT, just PERFECT...

Correct me if wrong, but... Is the idea to make this tech into an accesory which could go between mod and atties !?

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah !!! If so...

Also...

Wouldn't it be great if one could either have a potentiometer or whatever you call it that regulates fan speed, or a way to turn it up or down or even activate/ deactivate it (on/ off switch)... !?

So one could adjust it; use it as supplementary or jsut here and there as a booster!

ALSO: One of the main issues with atties, for the most part is heat build up... When you drip, for instance, once the entire atty is hot, part of the juice gets hot in return (talking about not when atomized but rather just juice getting hot by "sitting" there, more about "juice in peripheral condition" let's say!) and translates into a lousy vape (If my science is right here, when too hot molecules are moving like crazy and it's hard for them to regroup and thus vaporize... So you get thin 'smoke'... Right?) and you need to let your atty cool down... RIGHT? So...

Couldn't you include a kind of feature in your "nitromizer" thingy to also divert heat by means of inducing air or similar into the atty; cooling it off as well... !?

Cause, my friends, that would be a total and perfect winner IMO.

=)

Hurry Dan... I am desperate now!

Ahahahhahhhhh !!! LOL

 

[revolver]

Oh, and last but not least: Will it sound as a turbine !?

Cause THAT would be rock solid...! Furthermore... It would be totally dissapointing if it didn't...

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah !!!

 

[asdaq]

Oh, and last but not least: Will it sound as a turbine !?

Cause THAT would be rock solid...! Furthermore... It would be totally dissapointing if it didn't...

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah !!!

Seemingly that is the idea behind vacuum cleaners, if it is not loud, people don't think it is working properly, so they are built loud.

 

[Scubabatdan]

@Revolver,

Yes this was designed as an addon, so it did not matter what PV or atty (as long as it accepts bottom airflow) you used. The module would go between the atty and the PV. The only way I can see to run a voltage regulated airflow would be to build a PV around the fan system, thatway you could control the fan speed and on/off capabilities. As for a drop in module, there is no way to regulate speed as it pulls power when the fire button is pressed. And what ever the output voltage is, is the speed the fan will turn at. A button could be added to disconnect power to the atty making it a cooling fan I suppose. But it would have to be small and with at least a 3 amp rating.
And yes I am hoping the turbine fan sounds like a turbine too!!!!
Dan

 

[BJ43]

@Revolver,

Yes this was designed as an addon, so it did not matter what PV or atty (as long as it accepts bottom airflow) you used. The module would go between the atty and the PV. The only way I can see to run a voltage regulated airflow would be to build a PV around the fan system, thatway you could control the fan speed and on/off capabilities. As for a drop in module, there is no way to regulate speed as it pulls power when the fire button is pressed. And what ever the output voltage is, is the speed the fan will turn at. A button could be added to disconnect power to the atty making it a cooling fan I suppose. But it would have to be small and with at least a 3 amp rating.
And yes I am hoping the turbine fan sounds like a turbine too!!!!
Dan

Looking forward to the turbine, put some small wings on it and you can fly it across the room to your wife.

 

[parkins5322]

Hey Dan,
I was thinking along the lines of a turbo for cars but those all have 90 degree off set flow, with some really intricate machining you could get it to be axial flow but it would be a pita, so then I was thinking of how super chargers work with a worm gear type pump, again some heavy machining to make it work but thats a great example of an axial flow compression. Then of course once the words axial flow entered my head I thought how stupid I had been, lol I am a gas turbine mechanic for the navy, all of our gas turbines (jet engines) are axial flow, well for ship main propulsion anyway. Your idea for a set of stationary blades and two revolving blades has the right idea just needs a little tweaking. On our turbines between the blade tip and the casing we spray in a foamed aluminum, when the blades rotate the first time they cut into the foam and create a seal so air cannot travel backwards, each set of blades is slightly smaller than the previous set which causes the compression of course, but since the outer edges are sealed the air has no choice but to move forward. Our compression ration by the time it makes it all the way through the compressor is 16:1. Here are some pics from the GE LM2500 which is the workhorse of Destroyers, Cruisers and Frigates...

The green section is the stationary blades, they are attached to the outer part of the turbine assembly, the gold blades are the rotating ones and they are all connected to a central shaft. Obviously this is a cutaway.

A real one that has been opened up along its center line

An Exploded diagram

 

[bzmotoninja83]

Dan

But will it have a blow off valve that goes WOOSH or a diverted valve to really use the air again? Lmao

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[rusalka]

Hey Dan,
I was thinking along the lines of a turbo for cars but those all have 90 degree off set flow, with some really intricate machining you could get it to be axial flow but it would be a pita, so then I was thinking of how super chargers work with a worm gear type pump, again some heavy machining to make it work but thats a great example of an axial flow compression. Then of course once the words axial flow entered my head I thought how stupid I had been, lol I am a gas turbine mechanic for the navy, all of our gas turbines (jet engines) are axial flow, well for ship main propulsion anyway. Your idea for a set of stationary blades and two revolving blades has the right idea just needs a little tweaking. On our turbines between the blade tip and the casing we spray in a foamed aluminum, when the blades rotate the first time they cut into the foam and create a seal so air cannot travel backwards, each set of blades is slightly smaller than the previous set which causes the compression of course, but since the outer edges are sealed the air has no choice but to move forward. Our compression ration by the time it makes it all the way through the compressor is 16:1. Here are some pics from the GE LM2500 which is the workhorse of Destroyers, Cruisers and Frigates...

The green section is the stationary blades, they are attached to the outer part of the turbine assembly, the gold blades are the rotating ones and they are all connected to a central shaft. Obviously this is a cutaway.

A real one that has been opened up along its center line

An Exploded diagram

Sounds familiar.