All Flavoring Manufacturers: An Open Discussion

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Andria, I added 3% bw to recipe this am, starting low, I can increase when/if do revisions...let me know what you try and how it works out if you use bw or the ina shisha bilberry...

yeah some mix fw at higher %'s...some of them seem to need higher %, but some seem to be better at a lower %...guess depends on the specific flavor and the individual's tastes.....I mixed fw cantelope at 12.5% just as a solo thing this morning ,and woooooo boy(!!!!) either needs a lot of aging to tame down, or I need to mix that one at a much lower % for my tastes maybe like around maybe 5% next trial-gonna take a few mixes to find my sweet spot or find out if I even like cantelope flavor in a vape(freebie), on other hand, blood orange at that % might work, smells ok so far, little stronger than my norm, but if I can lower it in next trial to 10 or even 7%, I will, seems like it has potential...just playing around and going off % recs I found around here to see what I get with small batches...I normally do lower honestly for most of my own personal mixes....why I didn't start low, don't know...I'm going reverse

That does seem pretty low, even with 10% of the blueberry cinnamon crumble. I'll try it that way, and maybe also a mix with both the bb wild and the bilberry. Seems to me if I want a really good strong blueberry flavor, I may need to mix the wild, the extra, and the bilberry, along with some of the bcc.

The main reason I've kinda backed away from the blueberry to this strawberry mix, is that the strawberry mix has nothing subtle about it, the flavor is as strong and true as if I were sitting here EATING strawberries and cream, and for me, with vaping, that's a whole new experience, the intensity of flavor. I need to find a way to get that with blueberry flavor(s).

Also I think I may finally have to replace the coil in one of my kayfuns; this morning I just could NOT get the thing to make decent vapor, and even with regular dry-burning and rinsing and wick changes, the coil is nearly black, and it actually gave me a semi-dry hit, kinda metallic tasting, so time to replace it I think. It's been good, but it's been in there since, I dunno, July? when I got back to smoke-free vape-only I think. Probably do that later tonight after I get the dishes done, so I have that counter space cleared. :D

Andria

Also -- does it matter if you use EM, or TFA Sweetener? I have both, but I'd have to mix up the EM first. Just wondering which tasted better in this recipe, or if it matters at all.
 
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AAAARGHHHHHHHHH! 8-o

That's the sound I make from the INFURIATING nature of mounting a coil on a Kayfun. Yeah I know how to wrap one -- though I had to do it 3 times, because the first two times I was using too large a drill bit... and I know how IN THEORY to get the blasted thing mounted. But in PRACTICE..... AAAARGHHHHHHHHH! 8-o

But I finally succeeded, and that old coil must indeed have been the problem, because that Kayfun is now vaping just fine. And now I remember why I don't like to do it very often. 8-o People who like to do fresh coils for the fun of it must have a lot of free time on their hands, and a very high threshold for frustration.

Are coils any easier to mount on the new v4 kayfuns?

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Yes, I do mix lower %'s, start low, increase if needed, (except my recent fw trials:laugh:), I'm using my bw is an accent note or blueberry boost to the bb in the bbc, I want to retain that as my prime flavor ....now just need biscuit to get the crumbs. I prefer sweetener now after none for the longest time and I only add 1% actually, others prefer EM, some prefer none....Bill had a pretty good explanation of both on the tfa thread not too long ago, he uses tfa cotton candy as his EM and yes, he uses the tfa sweetener, I know the thread moves fast, but it's there somewhere. dannyv45 also has a good blog on some additives too http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...dannyv45/5007-sweetening-additives.html...you can read if you haven't yet...and have to go through his blog entries to page 3, since my linking skills suck this am, but your truth will be found through trial/tasting, determining your preferences

I think I am in awe that you had a coil last since July...what gauge do you use?
 
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AAAARGHHHHHHHHH! 8-o

That's the sound I make from the INFURIATING nature of mounting a coil on a Kayfun. Yeah I know how to wrap one -- though I had to do it 3 times, because the first two times I was using too large a drill bit... and I know how IN THEORY to get the blasted thing mounted. But in PRACTICE..... AAAARGHHHHHHHHH! 8-o

But I finally succeeded, and that old coil must indeed have been the problem, because that Kayfun is now vaping just fine. And now I remember why I don't like to do it very often. 8-o People who like to do fresh coils for the fun of it must have a lot of free time on their hands, and a very high threshold for frustration.

Are coils any easier to mount on the new v4 kayfuns?

Andria

I recoil my kayfun's once a week and have 7 of them. With practice it goes quite well. If you really want a difficult one try coiling the kayfun mini's those are difficult expecially with my large fingers.
 

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I don't think that FW is necessarily any more in need of higher percentages than TFA (or even Capella), and even still, as baseballmom pointed out, it ain't even necessarily a given. The few FW flavors I mix with I keep at 4-5% and 6-7%. Maybe it really boils down to if you plan on making an actual mix vs. using a flavoring as a standalone.

It was probably just the few reviews I read. I'm thinking someone posted that the flavors were designed to be used at around 15% but I may not be remembering that correctly. I seem to suffer from crs* pretty bad anymore lol. :vapor:

*crs: can't remember stuff. :)
 

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Ugh I'm not one for wrapping coils. I can do it and I think I do it well BUT I get so aggravated because I almost always come up with 1 coil heating up faster and hotter than the other. I will say though my Kayfun coils last a long time - much longer than my RDA's. I do the same thing as you Andria - I take out the cotton put em on a mech and light them up and rinse them (while they are still hot but I let go of the button or they'll short!) If you do it like 3 or 4 times the coil looks good as new.

I haven't wrapped a coil in like 2 months - which reminds me its about time to rewrap ALL of my atty's -- UGH what a pain! But it does make a difference....and I know that the reason 1 heats up faster is usually cuz of the legs being longer or the coil being closer to the posts but I check and adjust over and over and nothing helps...very aggravating.

Anyway I have nothing to say about flavors LOL...
 

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Yes, I do mix lower %'s, start low, increase if needed, (except my recent fw trials:laugh:), I'm using my bw is an accent note or blueberry boost to the bb in the bbc, I want to retain that as my prime flavor ....now just need biscuit to get the crumbs. I prefer sweetener now after none for the longest time and I only add 1% actually, others prefer EM, some prefer none....Bill had a pretty good explanation of both on the tfa thread not too long ago, he uses tfa cotton candy as his EM and yes, he uses the tfa sweetener, I know the thread moves fast, but it's there somewhere. dannyv45 also has a good blog on some additives too http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...dannyv45/5007-sweetening-additives.html...you can read if you haven't yet...and have to go through his blog entries to page 3, since my linking skills suck this am, but your truth will be found through trial/tasting, determining your preferences

I think I am in awe that you had a coil last since July...what gauge do you use?

29ga, which I started using because 30ga was so extremely flimsy, but 1.8 ohms takes too many wraps with 28ga, and 28ga is so slow to heat up. And structurally it was every bit as sound as when I made it. But now I'm wondering if the reason I see that brown stuff at the bottom of the other kayfun, with the strawberry in it, isn't entirely from "gunk" from the strawberry and sweetener, but from the old coil itself -- which has also been in there since July or August. I may screw my courage to the sticking point and recoil that one too, just to see if it gets rid of so much of that brown stuff that seeps under the chimney into the tank.

I got so distracted and frustrated with that coil last night, I never did get any mixing done. And although that one I recoiled seemed ok at first, later I got a metallic taste from it, so I'm thinking that my tiny bit of organic cotton was maybe not enough, and I'm getting that "burnt coil" taste because of the wick not touching the whole coil.

I have some MBV cotton candy flavoring; I may try that, since it's already mixed, to compare it to EM, and just see how they strike me. But for the blueberry buckle, if the tfa sweetener works ok, I may just use that.

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Ugh I'm not one for wrapping coils. I can do it and I think I do it well BUT I get so aggravated because I almost always come up with 1 coil heating up faster and hotter than the other. I will say though my Kayfun coils last a long time - much longer than my RDA's. I do the same thing as you Andria - I take out the cotton put em on a mech and light them up and rinse them (while they are still hot but I let go of the button or they'll short!) If you do it like 3 or 4 times the coil looks good as new.

I haven't wrapped a coil in like 2 months - which reminds me its about time to rewrap ALL of my atty's -- UGH what a pain! But it does make a difference....and I know that the reason 1 heats up faster is usually cuz of the legs being longer or the coil being closer to the posts but I check and adjust over and over and nothing helps...very aggravating.

Anyway I have nothing to say about flavors LOL...

Yeah I do the dry burning every few days, and so far it's been working very well, but that one I recoiled last night, yesterday morning it just refused to cooperate with me at all, no vapor to speak of, so I figured it was just time to redo it, since it's been like 6 months since I put that coil in. And what you said about not getting the coils to match, is just ONE reason I despise dual coils, and won't use them, period (the other reasons are, they change the taste in ways I find unpleasant, and they require so much airflow to keep cool, it's like trying to "smoke a straw" -- no thanks!). But I do the dry burning on one of my vv3s, so I can turn the power down to about 8w for the dry burn, and I'm able to check the resistance both before and after the dry burn without having to keep screwing and unscrewing the thing.

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I recoil my kayfun's once a week and have 7 of them. With practice it goes quite well. If you really want a difficult one try coiling the kayfun mini's those are difficult expecially with my large fingers.

Last night I finally got it done by holding the wire down on one side of the screw with my fingernail, while pulling it all the way around the screw with my needle-pointed tweezers. Seems that all the way around is the only way I can keep the wire from coming out from under the screw while I tighten it down. I wish kayfuns were made with those posts you stick the wire thru, instead of having to play loop-de-loop around the silly things! That's why I wondered about the new v4's, if they have those kinds of posts.

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Yeah I do the dry burning every few days, and so far it's been working very well, but that one I recoiled last night, yesterday morning it just refused to cooperate with me at all, no vapor to speak of, so I figured it was just time to redo it, since it's been like 6 months since I put that coil in. And what you said about not getting the coils to match, is just ONE reason I despise dual coils, and won't use them, period (the other reasons are, they change the taste in ways I find unpleasant, and they require so much airflow to keep cool, it's like trying to "smoke a straw" -- no thanks!). But I do the dry burning on one of my vv3s, so I can turn the power down to about 8w for the dry burn, and I'm able to check the resistance both before and after the dry burn without having to keep screwing and unscrewing the thing.

Andria

Want easy to make perfect coils every time use this. I can't live without it. I put a wing nut and screw with a couple of washers on the winder handle to hold the wire while I wind and it makes the perfect coil every time. And the only way to get them to stay is to wrap them all the way around the screw as you did last night. You really can't let these coils go more then a week or two, it really affects taste.

http://www.amazon.com/Artistic-Wire...F8&qid=1420835847&sr=8-1&keywords=coil+winder
 
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