All my used carto's are TOAST !!

[Brew]

Its clear, gross negligence to tell new vapers to vape on the cartos until they taste toasty marshmallows. This is in essence the toxic gasses clearly outlined in the MSDS.

Its time to start over and rethink it all the way through. I did and I count my puffs on the 901 and refill when there its still about 6 drops left. I can't allow anyone to damage my health, and certainly not myself after making a move to less toxins. its not a problem to boil off anew atty, and if your handling juice it makes no difference which style of cart your filling.

The three piece is only a tiny bit messier. V4L was the carts in the pic but others showed the same issues when I took them apart. Its the two piece design. V4L is a good supplier, great service and great warranty. Only the product is at fault and they did not design it. They do have the connections to design a safe one and take care of the issue but a year later they are selling your health for a dollar. That is product liability suits piling up and waiting to happen. A clear warning and instructions need to be issued in writing and that still won't absolve the previous health concerns. Just absolve the new ones.

Every cartomiser retailer knows the problem. no one retailer can be singled out. The ones who promote the heaviest do dig the deepest holes though.

 

[skydragon]

Okay, I just took apart two more cartos. Filled one time. Filler is still wet. One Time, Still Wet! Burned and scorched. So the "it is supposed to be a one time disposable and you won't have any problems'' is a crock of ...... Excuse my language but this does make me very angry. I will try to take pictures tomorrow or Sat. and post them.

 

[Brew]

Interested in seeing the one time pics. I had some from a small supplier and they tasted like burning rubber on the second puff on some and the first on others. Tossed them but it would have been good to open them and see how they compare.

 

[JimStanmore]

Maybe I am missing something here, but it seems the complaint is that we want the manufacturers to make a one-time use disposable item reusable. I regularly got 3 or 4 hours out of my first cartos compared to the constant refilling and dripping with my 901, 510 and 801. I was happy to spend the $1.49 or 3.00 per day the first few weeks. Then I discovered you could hack a carto and refill it. And, no, I don't like the idea of burning. I am also fascinated that this is actually a major concern. I thought it was a rare or occasional problem.

So, I started refilling my cartos with fluval, polyfill and ptb, the same kind of mods I had to do with my 901, 510 and 801. None of our cartridges or cartomizers were ever originally designed to be refillable. I do like many others and bypass the original intention/design to satisfy myself.

I ask you, what self-respecting company would make an advertised one-time use item reusable?

(Flame guard in place...)

 

[Michelle43]

These were all 1 time use, never refilled.

3rd carto This one bothered me a bit. It is a Parlament cart that had just lost it's flavor as I was reading these 13 pages. No burn taste whatsoever! Was even still producing decent vapor. Top off, it looks good (Please excuse my winter dry hands.

Was bothered by the interior, no burn taste, no loss of vapor, only hint was loss of flavor. That interior piece of fabric was still very wet but yet burning as you can see.

 

[skydragon]

Interested in seeing the one time pics. I had some from a small supplier and they tasted like burning rubber on the second puff on some and the first on others. Tossed them but it would have been good to open them and see how they compare.

Brew,

I'm not sure if I will have time tomorrow but I should be able to get them at least sometime Sat if not Fri.

 

[skydragon]

These were all 1 time use, never refilled.

Michelle,

That first picture looks pretty darn close to what mine looks like. Yours is a little worse but close to what I have. So much for one time is perfectly fine.

 

[AlexTM]

Mine was a blank, but only filled once. And you can be assured that while I did want to know what the fuss was about, I already was familiar with those pics etc, so I most certainly was very cautious. Filled with IIRC 30 drops (was a widely recommended number), let sit over night, vape fairly slowly, let it cool off etc. And both filling and fabric were still quite wet when I dissected it.

 

[miss MiA]

Maybe I am missing something here, but it seems the complaint is that we want the manufacturers to make a one-time use disposable item reusable.

...yes as others have said it's been well established that it wasn't just a REfill matter these ppl were referring to, but also...

I ask you, what self-respecting company would make an advertised one-time use item reusable?

(Flame guard in place...)

...I'm not sure if you'll still want to put it quite that way if you take an actual look at what's recommended/touted on many seller websites themselves in descriptions and/or FAQs (not to mention subforums of course), as of this very moment anyway...

So, I started refilling my cartos with fluval, polyfill and ptb, the same kind of mods I had to do with my 901, 510 and 801.

I haven't looked into carto mods at all but thought it was said this wasn't or wasn't very effective with them, so this really is of interest, tho not sure if it can address the part about one of the issues with cartos being the closer location itself of filler to heat, compared to other models when used with carts. But can you suggest some links that you found useful? It would be sincerely appreciated.

 

[Guineahill]

I took out a cartomizer that I bought back in November. I had several people (not just vapers) try it. Five of the eight who tried it commented on the ROSE flavor! It was supposed to be Peach. Not everyone seems to taste it. That doesn't surprise me at all. But those of us who do don't necessarily like it! The flavor does not diminish with airing or over time.

If you do some research you can find some copies of paperwork that describes the ingredients in some of the Chinese made liquids. Like this and this. You will note that both of these flavors contain ROSE OIL. And one of them is a Coffee flavor! (Interestingly the ones I have found for Kanger don't list Rose Oil. Perhaps only those filled with different liquid by a particular popular vendor have it. That happens to coincide with my experience.)

I know that many flavorings have rose oil in them. I don't like it. I know that many cartomizers scorch easily even though I haven't experienced it. I have seen the photos. I don't like it. I wish people could at least acknowledge there are issues that need to be addressed!

I have looked for certificates for cartomizers and their filling but haven't found any yet. I will continue to search. If we can't get answers from the suppliers we will need to do the research on our own. If I had access to the appropriate laboratory equipment I would test it myself.

While I believe that adding Rose Oil to flavorings isn't nearly as important as addressing the issue of scorching filler I do believe that the folks who want to sweep it under the rug or dispute the facts will do so regardless of the problem. Something as simple as being told that the filling is made of polyblankblank and it does or doesn't release toxins when scorched would go a long way in dealing with these concerns.

I will continue to use blank cartomizers. I am willing to trade off the risk for the benefit. I do top off often. I do toss them when they become questionable. I wish I didn't have to be so concerned about them.

 

[Drozd]

I took out a cartomizer that I bought back in November. I had several people (not just vapers) try it. Five of the eight who tried it commented on the ROSE flavor! It was supposed to be Peach. Not everyone seems to taste it. That doesn't surprise me at all. But those of us who do don't necessarily like it! The flavor does not diminish with airing or over time.

If you do some research you can find some copies of paperwork that describes the ingredients in some of the Chinese made liquids. Like this and this. You will note that both of these flavors contain ROSE OIL. And one of them is a Coffee flavor! (Interestingly the ones I have found for Kanger don't list Rose Oil. Perhaps only those filled with different liquid by a particular popular vendor have it. That happens to coincide with my experience.)

I know that many flavorings have rose oil in them. I don't like it. I know that many cartomizers scorch easily even though I haven't experienced it. I have seen the photos. I don't like it. I wish people could at least acknowledge there are issues that need to be addressed!

I have looked for certificates for cartomizers and their filling but haven't found any yet. I will continue to search. If we can't get answers from the suppliers we will need to do the research on our own. If I had access to the appropriate laboratory equipment I would test it myself.

While I believe that adding Rose Oil to flavorings isn't nearly as important as addressing the issue of scorching filler I do believe that the folks who want to sweep it under the rug or dispute the facts will do so regardless of the problem. Something as simple as being told that the filling is made of polyblankblank and it does or doesn't release toxins when scorched would go a long way in dealing with these concerns.

I will continue to use blank cartomizers. I am willing to trade off the risk for the benefit. I do top off often. I do toss them when they become questionable. I wish I didn't have to be so concerned about them.

please don't think I was dismissing your claim to the taste at all..I'm in agreement..when I got cartos from that popular vendor..all of the flavors tasted aweful to me (well except for menthol, but lets face it menthol pretty much masks the taste of anything) and for me the worst was raspberry (OMG best description was that it tasted like a little old woman in church smells, perfume like mad...and since you said rose oil I can definitely pick that up) but they were all either perfume or an off underlying chemical taste..
I tossed them all in a box (except for the blanks)...
I was just relaying that some of that underlaying chemical taste seems to be from what I mentioned above and letting them sit made several of them vapeable instead of gagable (the raspberry is still aweful by the way)...it was more of an you're not wrong and here's some information to help explain some of it kind of info..

 

[Guineahill]

please don't think I was dismissing your claim to the taste at all..I'm in agreement..when I got cartos from that popular vendor..all of the flavors tasted aweful to me (well except for menthol, but lets face it menthol pretty much masks the taste of anything) and for me the worst was raspberry (OMG best description was that it tasted like a little old woman in church smells, perfume like mad...and since you said rose oil I can definitely pick that up) but they were all either perfume or an off underlying chemical taste..
I tossed them all in a box (except for the blanks)...
I was just relaying that some of that underlaying chemical taste seems to be from what I mentioned above and letting them sit made several of them vapeable instead of gagable (the raspberry is still aweful by the way)...it was more of an you're not wrong and here's some information to help explain some of it kind of info..

I apologize if I seemed to be snapping at you. I am still frustrated by the way I was dismissed in the sub-forum. I honestly did think that perhaps it was a problem that needed to be dealt with. After my experience there I did a lot of research that I would have done before I voiced my concerns if I had had any inkling that the issue would have proved so volatile. The fact is that those liquids contain rose oil. Some people taste it - others don't. But it is there.

My point here is that bringing problems up in that particular sub-forum won't necessarily help. It is a shame, but you can't often get straight answers there.

I have no doubt at all that new users burn their cartomizers more often than veteran vapers but the fact is that it happens sometimes regardless of the users experience. It seems it shouldn't be that difficult to be told if toxins are released when this happens. And if they are - let us know more details. Maybe it isn't an issue at all but we don't know because we aren't being told. So our imaginations run rampant and we consider the worst.

The only apparent solution to this dilemma that I see is to find a way to test it ourselves. I'm sure that somewhere on this forum there is someone with access to the type of equipment needed to perform such a test. Or perhaps simply more research will provide an answer.

I have chosen my course of action. I will continue to search for information. I will also continue to use cartomizers. I know that I am better off than I was when I was smoking. The question is how much better off...

 

[SikVapor]

I received my latest shipment from them today, an XL battery and premium cartos. So far I am LOVING the performance of the premiums. The flavor is wonderful and the vapor production is phenomenal. In the interest of this thread, I definitely share the same concerns. I will vape the premium carto on an XL battery at 3.7V. I will not refill, I will not use a passthrough to increase voltage and will not use the 901-to-808 adaptor to increase airflow. I will dissect the cart and post pics once the carto has finished.

I finished the premium cart last night and took it apart this evening. I vaped until the "marshmellow" taste which carto advocates universally decree is the signal indicating the car is done and needs to be refilled or tossed. The cart was the hard-cap style that V4L has mentioned they are phasing out. I used the XL Manual but I also decided to try it on a shorty auto battery. For the first time since I've gotten the Vapor King in January did I feel satisfied like it was an analog. With the auto batt + tobacco-flavored Premium carto combination, it comes very close. Flavor and vapor production is fantastic. Let me just say that I was really loving them and had high hopes on this outcome. I never used a passthrough. With the Manual XL I was taking about 5-second drags, with the auto shorty it was more like 3-second drags to keep the cigarette-like feeling I was enjoying. Here are the pics, and I feel very let down. Almost heartbroken, really .


In this pic is where I started unravelling the filling. Premium filling is a lot softer than a regular cart, very cotton-like. If someone presented it to me as cotton, I wouldn't argue.

Unravelling more, and the hole is getting bigger.

The main part where the atomizer resided was so hard from the melting and damage that I couldn't unravell all the way. I just ripped it apart from the batting for this pic and here it is.

Anybody who wants to respond to me in a negative tone, don't bother. I don't want to get into it. I used the cart as it was meant to be used with proper functioning equipment, you could even go as far to say I used the cart gently. The proof is in the pics.

 

[clownfish159]

They changed my frown (purple) emoticon to a question mark in the V4L forum, but did NOT respond!



We cannot let this get shoved back yet again. This is about safety. I have been having serious gastric issues and I am not ready to blame cartos, but they ARE one of the suspects.

Strange you should mention this. I too have been having some serious gastric problems after using cartos. Time to stop using them I suppose.

 

[Guineahill]

SikVapor That is disappointing.

 

[miss MiA]

...reinforces the strong wish I mentioned that the premium fervor in the industry would be stepped back from, but haven't seen signs of consideration of that. (iirc the soft capped ones also run hotter/go faster than the hard capped.) Didn't mean premos when I indicated that for whatever reasons I'm going to continue using cartos, for now anyway; which is why I'm concerned that they may become all that's available anywhere.

 

[AlexTM]

My point here is that bringing problems up in that particular sub-forum won't necessarily help. It is a shame, but you can't often get straight answers there.

Well, this is a vendor's sub-forum, and one can hardly expect applause for bringing up problems. It would be neat if problems were addressed in an adult manner, but I cut the vendor's forums some slack there. (And I try my best to stay out of some; although AFAIK there is only one other that is similarly bad when problems are reported, and they mostly keep it there.)

The problem is that this … behaviour … continues outside of that sub-forum as well, nobody anywhere in this forum is allowed to voice anything that could be seen as criticism of a certain vendors products. (Not to mention tons of utterly ridiculous claims about products this vendor happens not to sell. Things would seriously get funny if they'd ever start. ) And that's when I start to find things very annoying. How they behave at home is not my problem, but I'd like to be able tell Newbies who consider buying a KR8 about the burned filling problem without being called "the paranoia police".

Although of course one can also note that while several vendors sell those things, only the "happy little family" of exactly one vendor behaves like that. It's getting hard to shake the impression that this vendor may actually encourage such behaviour. Which isn't exactly a good business practice in my book.

Every cartomiser retailer knows the problem. no one retailer can be singled out. The ones who promote the heaviest do dig the deepest holes though.

It is obviously a Kanger problem, not a vendor problem, first and foremost. But of course, vendors could do something about it. They have the immediate buying power, and they could warn their customers. (Of course, that would mean a lot less customers.) Instead, there are "improvements" which make the problem even worse, while illustrating at the same time that they do have some control over manufacturing.
Which then does make it a vendor problem, particularly for the big vendors who sell mostly this stuff and therefore buy this stuff in quantities that could make KR listen.

 

[Katmar]

Wow, almost too much to adress here but I'll try:

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I see it completely a different way...he totally blew you off...he was rather crafty in the way he did so though... what did he say when he closed the thread.. hashed to death..Cartomizers were made to be disposeable..I use and toss and they're still cheaper than analogs...We spend more money than anyone else...
Let's examine that...they're made to be disposeable (ie throw them away)....if you choose to open em and refill thats all on you...
well god for you you smkoed 5 packs a day, and now own the company (what kind of discount ya think that is?) of course they're going to be cheaper to him... spending more money than anyone else well yeah replacing all the faulty gear and giving away all those freebees to keep people distracted has gotta cost something...I mean really is the battery I get this week going to be too airy or not, or these cartos going to work on my batteries or PT or not..consistency would go far here..


While I see your point I gotta say there are some that well just can't function a 3 piece...the KR8 IS rather idiot proof..I'd rather suggest that to them then continue to see them smoke regular cigarettes..


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Oh, I am quite aware I got the disdainful brushoff. I wanted to point out that he DID acknowledge a problem in writing. Everything else was just fluff.
As you said, it's easy to puff a few times and toss when you own the inventory. Those people brag how much they refill. You and I know they dont' periodically dissect their carts. I know I didn't until I started having problems.
I think we must keep this issue alive and UPFRONT.
Whatever is in the poly fill cannot be in ANY way healthy to inhale. I believe it was Brew's posts pointing out the problems with polyfiber when it burns.

Thank you all for your support and guts to come forward with your own proof.

 

[whimzkool]

Wow, this thread has certainly grown since I commented on pgs. 1/2! Dang Sik... that was pretty sick (no pun intended)! So, I have been vaping since Oct. 09. Started out with the cartoz, have also tried the 901, m4 series, and the 510.
I typically use 1-2 cartos per day at 3.7v. It is then set aside for an eventual cleaning that I never get around to. After becoming quickly aware of the burning issue (even with no burnt taste), I had come to grips with the fact they are probably never going to get cleaned, so I have just kept them for the possible vaping "armagedon."
So, anyway, I just ripped open 30 cartoz in a row. My fingers are certainly feeling the effects of nic capillary constriction. Anyway, out of 30, 24 were burnt. 28 were charred. Only two looked like they could be boiled for reuse. They looked like the pics posted by Brew. The ones from my 5v PT phase looked the worst.
It would appear that my prefilled were burned worse than the blanks. The liquid residue from the prefilled seemed to be rather oily. If they (KR or whomever) are using a significant amount of oil in their liquid, this could definitely account for the increased burning I saw with the prefilled.

Upon revisiting this thread I opened the cart I had been vaping and topping for about two hours, it wasn't burnt, but then, I top off constantly. Seriously, as much as I top off, it would be just cheaper to switch completely to the 510 for dripping. Since I pretty much started with the 808, I really like it. I plan to open some that are only being used for a half day each and see what that brings... I expect more of the same.
I'm sorry it seems this is an issue that no one (vendors) wishes to discuss openly. Approaching the manufacturer seems to be the most prudent way to approach this (except for where they are designed by the vendor). Despite the fact that these are supposed to be disposable, if you aren't able to use them as intended, one-time use, without them burning, it starts to look like we are being taken advantage of (as we were with BT). I guess when they stop selling, the mfr will be forced to take notice.

I still have a couple hundred blanks on hand. I'm sure they will be used here and there, definitely with caution. I'm starting to babble, early for me yet. This entire issue has me rather disheartened...
btw, who has good prices on 510's?

 

[Katmar]

Wow, this thread has certainly grown since I commented on pgs. 1/2! Dang Sik... that was pretty sick (no pun intended)! So, I have been vaping since Oct. 09. Started out with the cartoz, have also tried the 901, m4 series, and the 510.
I typically use 1-2 cartos per day at 3.7v. It is then set aside for an eventual cleaning that I never get around to. After becoming quickly aware of the burning issue (even with no burnt taste), I had come to grips with the fact they are probably never going to get cleaned, so I have just kept them for the possible vaping "armagedon."
So, anyway, I just ripped open 30 cartoz in a row. My fingers are certainly feeling the effects of nic capillary constriction. Anyway, out of 30, 24 were burnt. 28 were charred. Only two looked like they could be boiled for reuse. They looked like the pics posted by Brew. The ones from my 5v PT phase looked the worst.
It would appear that my prefilled were burned worse than the blanks. The liquid residue from the prefilled seemed to be rather oily. If they (KR or whomever) are using a significant amount of oil in their liquid, this could definitely account for the increased burning I saw with the prefilled.

Upon revisiting this thread I opened the cart I had been vaping and topping for about two hours, it wasn't burnt, but then, I top off constantly. Seriously, as much as I top off, it would be just cheaper to switch completely to the 510 for dripping. Since I pretty much started with the 808, I really like it. I plan to open some that are only being used for a half day each and see what that brings... I expect more of the same.
I'm sorry it seems this is an issue that no one (vendors) wishes to discuss openly. Approaching the manufacturer seems to be the most prudent way to approach this (except for where they are designed by the vendor). Despite the fact that these are supposed to be disposable, if you aren't able to use them as intended, one-time use, without them burning, it starts to look like we are being taken advantage of (as we were with BT). I guess when they stop selling, the mfr will be forced to take notice.

I still have a couple hundred blanks on hand. I'm sure they will be used here and there, definitely with caution. I'm starting to babble, early for me yet. This entire issue has me rather disheartened...
btw, who has good prices on 510's?

What a lot of folks do NOT understand is that by the time you TASTE the burnt, you have already inhaled burnt filler. It starts at the inner filler next to the atty. You don't taste it right away. I think it is a HUGE elephant in the living room.

As far as the 510, Cignots are fabulous. Great service.

I simply ordered some 901 attys to use on my kr808 batteries, along with some 901 carts. Cheapest way to get off the kr8 carts until I can afford an eGo/tornado.
Good luck to you!!