All these threads about people looking down on Ecigs....

[DaveP]

And I suppose if you were motivated enough to do so, you could make an argument that nicotine might be good for you.
That argument is not at all hard to make if you have the right information at your disposal.

NICOTINE FOR ALZHEIMER'S
It's supposed to be one of the factors that differentiate in Alzheimer's and Parkinson's Disease susceptibility. Smokers have a much lower rate of developing either and nicotine patches have shown to improve memory and reduce symptoms in people after diagnosis.

Good point, DC2!

 

[DC2]

NICOTINE FOR ALZHEIMER'S
It's supposed to be one of the factors that differentiate in Alzheimer's and Parkinson's Disease susceptibility. Smokers have a much lower rate of developing either and nicotine patches have shown to improve memory and reduce symptoms in people after diagnosis.

Good point, DC2!

And that might just be the tip of the iceberg...
Nicotine Effects

One of my biggest fears is that they will find so many benefits of nicotine that the FDA starts treating it as a pharmaceutical product.
And then Big Pharma will take over, and you'll be buying electronic cigarettes by prescription.

We'll see how it all shakes out.......

 

[scribes]

A coworker asked me today, "When are you going to wean yourself off that thing?" at which point I said, "Never, I enjoy it and it is a 99% safer than smoking".

Some people don't understand that just because I used it to quit smoking, doesn't mean I ever intend to quit vaping. Especially those that never smoked. The smokers and former smokers seem to "get it".

I enjoyed the act of smoking so much, everything about it. I am with you on this, i enjoy this on some levels more than i did smoking, especially the flavor and ability to do it almost anywhere, so like you, i have no intention of quitting this. Its become a hobby/obsession.

 

[tinajfreeman]

I find that a jolt of nic in the morning, higher than I use chain-vaping in my home office, really improves my mental clarity and concentration.

Since I have a "brain job", this is really good for maintaining my standard of living

 

[tinajfreeman]

I enjoyed the act of smoking so much, everything about it. I am with you on this, i enjoy this on some levels more than i did smoking, especially the flavor and ability to do it almost anywhere, so like you, i have no intention of quitting this. Its become a hobby/obsession.

It is why nic patches/gum/losenges have such a lousy success rate. Most smokers ENJOY the ACT of smoking as much or more than the nicotine. So the anti-smoking crowd says you just need to change your habits.

With vaping, I can "have my cake and eat it too". Yeah, baby!!!

 

[Geiseric]

Its not just the oral aspect, its also the severe dip in monoamines that follows the loss of maois, but it seems like for a lot of people, the oral aspect seems to make it easier. I weaned myself off cigarettes to hookah (old school vaping!), then weaned myself down on the maois in tobacco by moving from being attached to my hookah daily to doing it a few times a week.

I get hassled at work fairly often by nonsmokers and clients. Clients joke about what is in it, a few supervisors think its inappropriate in appearance for a treatment center. In my head, I'm snarling "And...abusing a drug in a way that will likely kill you while telling a client that they NEED to stop using another drug because it is damaging their life isn't?" ...but I keep my mouth shut, smile and nod. I like my supervisors, so I avoid arguing the point.

Smoking coworkers like it, say they love the smells.

 

[x7712x0ra]

I weaned myself off cigarettes to hookah (old school vaping!), then weaned myself down on the maois in tobacco by moving from being attached to my hookah daily to doing it a few times a week.

Wait, so you smoke a hookah at work?

 

[Geiseric]

Oh, I suppose I should have clarified, that was before switching to ecigs. I would hookah pretty much whenever I was not at work or school initially, then more often a few nights a week I would hookah for 2 to 5 hours. I started having problems with co2, getting sick, dizzy, finally having a seizure, and my fiance bought an ecig, which captivated me very quickly. Haven't had hookah since. I may have it on a nice summer day sometime, but I prefer vaping. Flavor is so much better, and fooling around with monoamine levels is a bad idea.

 

[McAldo]

Have to be honest, while most people were supportive at first, the fact that 7 months later I haven't quit is annoying to some people.
"When are you going to give up that thing", "Are you still on that thing", "I hate the way that thing reminds me of cigarettes".
Always 'that thing' as if just saying ecig or vaporizer would either contaminate them or legitimize it.
Oh and the fact that all the extra money I should have saved hasn't materialized is a big issue for my wife, it did for a while but petrol has eaten it all up. I have had to give up the car if I still smoked.

It's interesting what you say.
A lot of smokers that have seen my VP wanted to try and even asked to buy one off me (why people always want to feel comforted it will work by getting your stuff second hand rather than getting their own? )
They all were amazed that I quitted overnight a 2-year a pack per day habit.
Just the other day, one asked me to try my stuff and decided. He wants a lavatube, and tank, and gorilla juice. Cool..
But then he realized that I don't mean to quit vaping, and never meant too, he went all mental about it
"What are you talking about? You HAVE to quit it after a few months! I WILL quit. What's the point otherwise??"

The point is obviously that I don't want to get a cancer, I don't want to spend a huge amount of money, and I want to enjoy my vape much more than I did enjoy cigarettes
Like most people into vaping.
But many people see it as a temporary crouch, not a long term, much better alternative.
I never quite realized that before..

 

[Myk]

But then he realized that I don't mean to quit vaping, and never meant too, he went all mental about it
"What are you talking about? You HAVE to quit it after a few months! I WILL quit. What's the point otherwise??"

The point is obviously that I don't want to get a cancer, I don't want to spend a huge amount of money, and I want to enjoy my vape much more than I did enjoy cigarettes .

I think you're much safer looking at it as long term.

When I replaced cigarettes with a pipe, and I was anything but low nicotine, after close to 2 years I started naturally cutting back on how many bowls I smoked. Once I was over the habit and addiction of cigarettes I didn't NEED the pipe tobacco any more.
Had it not been for doctors doing nothing for my bad spell of panic disorder for months and then trying Wellbutrin before trying Xanax I probably wouldn't have ever picked up cigarettes again.

I think e-cigs are close enough in action to cigarettes that during a weak moment like that you could pick one up instead of a cigarette and get over that weak moment without restarting the habit.

I bet the majority of those who think they'll vape for a few months and quit will be back to cigarettes within a few years unless they keep that e-cig handy.

 

[McAldo]

I think e-cigs are close enough in action to cigarettes that during a weak moment like that you could pick one up instead of a cigarette and get over that weak moment without restarting the habit.

I bet the majority of those who think they'll vape for a few months and quit will be back to cigarettes within a few years unless they keep that e-cig handy.

I guess you are right.
Still, I never quite realized how any people take vaping as a cessation route, and just this.
It made me reflect a bit o what I was actually thinking and planning on when I got my first kit.
And I realize that I never thought about it as an intermediate step towards quitting smoking.
Just a replacement and of course, a way of getting rid of tobacco, as the thing had become an heavy burden for me.

But it's also that there is little understanding of how a vaporizer works, and therefore diffidence on how safe that could be on the long run.
Scratch a bit and sometimes you realize the simple mechanics behind a vaporizer are well beyond what people wants to discuss and understand.
Just a few days ago, somebody finally erupted "Safe.. You say it's safe.. So where all that vapour COMES FROM?"
Echoes of witchcraft denser than my vapour

When I mentioned Vegetable Glycerine and Propylene Glycol the eyes of the person were already as wide as plates.
Strange names, mysterious names, dangerous ones. How could something with a name like that be safe for you?
I suddenly felt any inclination to explain further, well, vaporize

After all, as somebody remarked above, it's my lungs I am taking care of.
And they can take care of theirs as they see fit..

 

[Robert T]

What's amazing to me is how many people think I'm smoking dope. Go figure, no one has called the police though, yet.

 

[Jaguar G]

OMG, my sister-in-law went all ape ____ on me about vaping. I put up with her anti-cigarette diatribes because, well, yeah, smoking is bad. When I switched she was just as bad, but I had logic on my side and when she said "you should..." I looked her in the eye and said, "Don't should on me."

Seemed to shut her up, but come on, really? Do some homework and have a case before you make an idiot out of yourself.

Jag