The in n out burger in vegas had NO vaping signs in the dining room. Made me sad
ALL VAPERS look at this pic! what do you think?
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I live in California and I believe it's banned in the same place smoking is banned. What I don't understand is they put these bans on nicotine and tobacco yet continue to make alcohol glamorous. Alcohol does kill, it killed my father and that's just from drinking. It also wrecks family's and lives. I don't think vaping has done that, yet they ban it.what a hypocritical society we live in! What about teen drinking? Yet every other commercial is about how sexy you are if you drink their brand! I just don't get it. They allow that to go on, and it does kill, yet ban a e cigarette because of vapor. What is more harmful here folks? What the heck is wrong with people! Take something harmless or less harmful and ban it but glamorize something that IS deadly. We live in a screwed up world.
Realsis, as far as I know (only did a quick Google search to confirm what I believed has already passed) only Los Angeles counties have approved a ban in same places as cigarettes.
It's coming though! There is legislation beginning all over the US to put bans in place. Vapers seriously need to check out their states, cities and/or counties and start contacting their Representatives!
Unfortunately, a lot was brought on by vapors suddenly having the freedom to vape anywhere they choose - and that always pisses non-smokers off.
I've vaped surreptitiously just about everywhere I go - restaurants, movie theaters, doctors office bathrooms, airports - but never openly unless it was a large outside area. Just didn't want to deal with confrontations. Whether its cigs or ecigs, people will always look down on it. Smokers have been treated as 2nd class citizens for decades now, and I figured it was a matter of time until vapers suffered the same fate.
It's going to be a big fight. I'm more worried about CA banning the purchase of eliquids than restaurants banning vaping. You can always go to the bathroom and vape without anyone realizing.
It's coming though! There is legislation beginning all over the US to put bans in place. Vapers seriously need to check out their states, cities and/or counties and start contacting their Representatives!
Unfortunately, a lot was brought on by vapors suddenly having the freedom to vape anywhere they choose - and that always pisses non-smokers off.
I've vaped surreptitiously just about everywhere I go - restaurants, movie theaters, doctors office bathrooms, airports - but never openly unless it was a large outside area. Just didn't want to deal with confrontations. Whether its cigs or ecigs, people will always look down on it. Smokers have been treated as 2nd class citizens for decades now, and I figured it was a matter of time until vapers suffered the same fate.
It's going to be a big fight. I'm more worried about CA banning the purchase of eliquids than restaurants banning vaping. You can always go to the bathroom and vape without anyone realizing.
Lol cmon guys. It's ppl's businesses lol. They gotta do whats best to keep it alive, Vapors can & will scare customers away from them. Vaping is still in infant form to the world. Im just surprised alot of vapors feel very entitled to do it anywhere they please & disregard respecting companies & businesses. Not a good look for the community. my $0.02
I think most of them were never smokers or are dual use vapers. They still smoke, but feel they should be able to vape where they can't smoke. Too many BLU commercials...
Generally speaking if you are subject to a fine or an ordinance the sign has to have the ordinance code on it to be valid. While they may not allow vaping near the door i highly doubt the fine part is true
Doesn't look like an OFFICIAL sign to me
Granted the shop owners have every right to stop you from doing so on private property. But unless it's a municipal/ state law and states such on the sign..good luck in enforcing the fine
Granted the shop owners have every right to stop you from doing so on private property. But unless it's a municipal/ state law and states such on the sign..good luck in enforcing the fine
Am I missing something? If this is the exterior entrance as it appears, they cant ban vaping on the 50ft of land outside the store unless the land is also their private property. They can ask politely, but not ban. Correct me if im wrong, but thats just obnoxious.
Inside is another matter, their property, their rules, dont like it? Dont go there. Better if theres a sign, then you wont waste your time giving them your business. I dont vape inside public places anyway if there are other people nearby and there might be any chance of bothering them, only if its quiet and in a spacious place and then Il ask the staff before doing so, its only polite. But then I am British.
Inside is another matter, their property, their rules, dont like it? Dont go there. Better if theres a sign, then you wont waste your time giving them your business. I dont vape inside public places anyway if there are other people nearby and there might be any chance of bothering them, only if its quiet and in a spacious place and then Il ask the staff before doing so, its only polite. But then I am British.
I looked at the pic a month ago and didn't comment. I look at it again and have to wonder what all the fuss is about. Their house, their rules. I worked in the industry for many years, you'd be surprised what type of behavior you have to deal with sometimes...
I wonder if anyone has tried holding up their vaping rig in front of a business's manager and point to the tank, saying, "It's my personal vaporizer, and that's Albuterol Sulfate. It's so I can stay alive rather than dying from asphyxia."
No, I wouldn't lie to anyone about my vaping. My overblown sense of principle wouldn't allow it. But I'd be very surprised if no one else had ever done that with a tank of clear-colored Faux Hawk or CoolMist, for example.
No, I wouldn't lie to anyone about my vaping. My overblown sense of principle wouldn't allow it. But I'd be very surprised if no one else had ever done that with a tank of clear-colored Faux Hawk or CoolMist, for example.
That may be all and good... INSIDE.
But, did you actually look closer at the original post? The sign says "No smoking or vapor cigarettes within 50ft of Entrance". That's what we're discussing here! Does the business actually OWN the 50ft of sidewalk? Would your company FORCE the same dress code on passers-by who just happen to be walking by the door? Because, if there's NO ordinance, and the space outside is NOT owned by the business owner, then that sign is as worthless as the paper they used to print it.
Come to think of it, that sign does not even mention INSIDE. Provided that the place is large enough, one could strictly obey that sign (ordinances and non-smoking laws aside) by SMOKING INSIDE... that is, IF you step 50ft away 'from the entrance' !!
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This whole argument baffles me...if as a vaper your have to the right to vape in public why wouldn't a property owner have the right to ban vaping on private property?
It is your choice whether or not to go to that establishment, if their policies offend you then don't give them your money...simple enough. Rights are a two way street.
It is your choice whether or not to go to that establishment, if their policies offend you then don't give them your money...simple enough. Rights are a two way street.
Well, because, UNLESS they actually own the 50ft of sidewalk around the entrance, then it is NOT their property!
"No smoking or vapor cigarettes within 50ft of Entrance"
I think inconsiderate vapers are responsible for things like this, just as inconsiderate cell phone users and inconsiderate parents are responsible for signs asking people not to use cell phones or not allowing children in their establishments. If people were respectful of those around them none of these things would be happening.
We all ask others to respect our rights, but do we respect theirs?
We all ask others to respect our rights, but do we respect theirs?
I don't believe they have the right to 'fine' someone for it though correct?
Well, I must disagree. I do not think THIS particular sign was created because of 'inconsiderate vapers' vaping INSIDE, since it 'forbids' vapers from vaping OUTSIDE, within 50ft of sidewalk around the entrance, which the business probably does not even OWN.
I believe rampant anti-smoking, or rather, rampant anti-'anything-vaguely-resembling-smoking' was the cause of that sign. Let's just treat vaping like smoking, even if we do not own that outdoor space, even if no ordinance forbids people from VAPING outside.
"Let's just make up our OWN laws, because we DO NOT LIKE it, and we will be supported because many people DO NOT LIKE it either."
And to be clear, I only vape INSIDE with the owner's permission. I know it's not smoke, but other people may not, and be troubled, and all that. OUTSIDE, I will vape ANYWHERE. Even if I was smoking TOBACCo, there's NO way I would be 'ruining other people's health'. Vaping is magnitudes safer. So, that's why that sign makes me sick: it demands that people should not vape (magnitudes safer than tobacco) even OUTSIDE (where even TOBACCO would NOT pose a real threat to others).
This is not about 'health concerns'. This is ideology and segregation. "I do not WANT you to vape near me, in a PUBLIC space".
Now I don't know about American laws but 50ft in front of the entrance? Smells like bull.... to me. But i've started seeing more signs in the UK prohibiting the use of e-cigs in certain places. For example the bus I was on the other day had a sign prohibiting the use of cigarettes and "electronic cigarettes" whilst on board. Mind you this doesn't stop me from discretely using my e-cig on the top floor of the bus haha.
Hahaha
Yes, I know a case like that. The person often speaks in public - and the vaping equipment is neatly disguised as some kind of medical inhalation device
(Sorry, I do not wish to tell the entire story here, "the world is a village" nowadays, if you know what I mean. But it works very well and stops people from bothering the person
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