OT: Seabrook, did you see the recipe for Gingerbread Brulee I posted in the recipe section? It's quite good. 
All VG is not created equal!
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OT: Not yet, I hope I can get gingerbread flav'g from PA, as I have to get some Bav. Crm, and Elf's got my curiosity up w/his Red Hot Cinn. recipe, so I've got to order some EM. I'll check it out. I'm vaping PB Cup as I type.
***Edit: I'm going to add Koolada too.
***Edit: I'm going to add Koolada too.
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I'm not sure, but my guess is they changed the packaging to add the USP grade label. What ever the case may be, I'm feeling pretty secure about the safety of the Now brand in regard to toxic contamination......and again, it just tastes so damn good!
I don't think the recipe will work as well with PA's Gingerbread. Capella's is MUCH better from what I've read. If you read TV's threads you'll see what people think of his Gingerbread once he changed from Capella to PA because its cheaper... not good reviews.
Negatory: Glycerine is created using Transestrifacation or other extraction methods, from 'natural' fats, be it vegitable or animal fats. PG is in fact synthisized. Maybe you are confused between the two.
Good that they test it for USP grade quality, but I don't understand why they don't use the USP monograph then.
What? USP testing ignores H2O when testing for their monograph, if you misunderstood that sentence.
Nothing is going to be literally 100% pure, molecule by molecule, in every bottle made, and any claim by any company on just about any product that says 100% Pure Chemical X is simply a marketing tactic where they round up. I can accept 99.9% claims, or do they make it entirely in a vacuum and then vacuum seal the bottle with no air in it?
I never said I'd use Humco or anything 'USP Glycerin' over a vegetable-based source - if it came down to Humco and NOW I'd use the NOW brand. However, when there's USP + Kosher + Vegetable-source Glycerin out there cheaper than the NOW, I'll use that.
It could be that they have not spent the extra cash that the FDA strongarms from companies for their FDA zertifacation. If you are reall concerned w/ FDA cert., why would you even bother vaping? It isn't FDA certified.
I contacted Humco and they said it was vegetable based but I didnt think to ask what vegetable it was derived from, its s very sweet VG and Im thinking that may be part of the flavor differences in VG.
That's interesting Zelphie, I wonder why Humco is more often problematic for vaping if it's also vegetable based. It doesn't really matter what vegetable it's from, the process of refining it is the same.
I don't know what you're getting at LowThudd, usually you have a point somewhere and don't make logical fallacies, but this isn't even the Outside forum so I'm lost. A USP certification likely does not cost much other than the price of testing or it would counteract the point of getting it in the first place which is quality assurance being worth it for customers. If they are already spending the money on doing the same testing the FDA mandates it would probably be a drop in the bucket relatively. The point is that it's the only real way for a customer to know they aren't buying something that is not always as pure as they claim. They can test one batch and show the results as 99.9% Glycerin but for USP they have to test every batch to keep the label. I don't have to like the FDA to know its purpose, and just because e-liquid isn't FDA certified doesn't mean I don't want my ingredients to be as safe as possible.
I don't know what you're getting at LowThudd, usually you have a point somewhere and don't make logical fallacies, but this isn't even the Outside forum so I'm lost. A USP certification likely does not cost much other than the price of testing or it would counteract the point of getting it in the first place which is quality assurance being worth it for customers. If they are already spending the money on doing the same testing the FDA mandates it would probably be a drop in the bucket relatively. The point is that it's the only real way for a customer to know they aren't buying something that is not always as pure as they claim. They can test one batch and show the results as 99.9% Glycerin but for USP they have to test every batch to keep the label. I don't have to like the FDA to know its purpose, and just because e-liquid isn't FDA certified doesn't mean I don't want my ingredients to be as safe as possible.
This is the best description I could find of USP requirements:
In fact, as you say, they could have aproved one batch and made the rest bunk. Quite frnkely, maybe I am lame or something, but I would rather trust my local Whole Foods for quality products than the FDA. Also, I trust my taste buds. The 'Now' brand glycerin has almost no taste, the humco definately has a chemical taste. Ingest what you want, but do you actually expect me to distrust my taste buds?!? Humco(walmart) glycerin has a nasty taste in comparison to 'Now' brand. There must be a reason for that.
Negatory, even if transesterification is used (I've found that saponification is the process), it's still produced via a chemical reaction that converts something that is found in nature to something that is NOT. It's artificial, regardless of the source of the chemicals used to produce it. If you disagree with this, it must be about the meaning of the word "artificial."
Definitions of artificial on the Web:
* contrived by art rather than nature; "artificial flowers"; "artificial flavoring"; "an artificial diamond"; "artificial fibers"; "artificial sweeteners"
* artificially formal; "that artificial humility that her husband hated"; "contrived coyness"; "a stilted letter of acknowledgment"; "when people try to correct their speech they develop a stilted pronunciation"
* not arising from natural growth or characterized by vital processes
I've often posted that folks should use what is right for them, so I'm not disputing your direction. Only that there is no law regarding purity of glycerine other than that reflected in the USP. I could bottle ethylene glycol and call it 100% glycerine and not break any criminal law regarding purity. Sure, I'm setting myself up for other criminal action when deaths occur, but the 100% claim itself would be legal to make.
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I just went to usp.org and searched for USP Glycerin and read everything relevant: Search
I repeat, I'm not saying Humco is better than NOW, only that I won't use something that isn't both USP and vegetable sourced unless I had no option. Lots of people use NOW with no problems, so it's obviously not poisonous. To be honest though, I don't trust my tongue to detect fractions of percentages of chemicals in VG when they taste very similar to the VG itself.
I repeat, I'm not saying Humco is better than NOW, only that I won't use something that isn't both USP and vegetable sourced unless I had no option. Lots of people use NOW with no problems, so it's obviously not poisonous. To be honest though, I don't trust my tongue to detect fractions of percentages of chemicals in VG when they taste very similar to the VG itself.
You're kidding! I wouldn't think Geoff would give ANY of his mixing secrets away, LOL. I'll have to cruise over there and check the TV thread out, might learn something interesting, LOL. I do love his butter rum and his AC, but Elf still have my curiosity in bloom with his very time-consuming recipe. It seems like the more care and love you put into a recipe, the better it responds, LOL.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/52669-pg-vg-labeling-purity-please-read.html
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Post from Markarich159, a registered US Pharmacist
Well, the 'Now' company is a very prominent dietary suppliment company. And I do trust when they say it is 100% PURE Vegitable Glycerin. They do have areputation to maintain, and they are calling it Food Grade. I will continue to use it, even though it is not USP grade. It plain taste cleaner. Just slightly sweet and that is all. NOW Foods - Vegetable Glycerine - 16 oz.
Now, they do carry a Dry form of Glycerin(also 100% pure) that is in fact USP grade. NOW Foods - Glycine Free Form Vegetarian - 1 lb. They call it free form glycerin. Not sure if it can be liquified w/ water or not though. I am curious, maybe our local Pharmacist can chime in.
Now, they do carry a Dry form of Glycerin(also 100% pure) that is in fact USP grade. NOW Foods - Glycine Free Form Vegetarian - 1 lb. They call it free form glycerin. Not sure if it can be liquified w/ water or not though. I am curious, maybe our local Pharmacist can chime in.
LowThudd, It is USP grade. I know this because I'm sitting here with it in my hand reading the label of my new bottle of VG from NOW. Are you sure yours doesn't say it on the back left-side of the label. Perhaps they have been asked so many times that they now have new labeling that says USP grade on it, and that's the one I have. I may be wrong, but it seems to me a company can't say their product is USP grade if it isn't. Seems like they would be sued. And you're right, NOW is a very reputable supplement co.
Mine does not say USP grade, and neither does the Web site(see above link). If yours does, that is good news! I'm not switching brands. Mine says it is food grade. Maybe they have stepped up their quality even more.
I contacted them w/ the info that some bottles are labeled USP and some are not. Pretty sure they'll get back to me and let me know.
I make soap so I already had a 5 gallon bucket of USP 99.7 Vegetable Glycerin from Columbus Foods Soaper's Choice. Its still clear and sweet after sitting around for at least a year. They also sell a 10 pound bottle. (in the neighborhood of a gallon)
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