Am I the only one who wants vaping to change?

[kiwivap]

You might like to look at AEMSA - the American E-Liduid Standards Association: AEMSA | American E-Liquid Manufacturing Standards Association
It's a volunteer organization for standards in manufacturing e-liquid. it hasn't been going very long yet.
Members list is here: MEMBERS | AEMSA

I've only bought from one vendor on that list - and they are a supplier not a manufacturer. I buy from good vendors with a good reputation. And good juice of course. But if you're worried about certain things you can see there what the health and safety standards are for the AEMSA members.

 

[Bucky Goldstein]

I want government and self appointed authorities out of my life completely, not more involved

did you know they are about to ban incandescent lights 75 watts and over?
That's right, you will no longer be able to get 50 cent light bulbs, you will need to buy 10 dollar fluorescent light bulbs that to me fail even more often than the cheap ones we use now

Government, don't want em, don't need em

 

[SissySpike]

I will say the OP started a good thread! I learned a good thing today people i usually disagree with on lots of different small things seem to agree and are of one like mind on the important stuff. We all see the effects corporate domination , and over regulation has had on pretty much everything around us. Something else I see good coming from ecigs is people getting involved and trying to have their voices herd. I hope it spreads to other issues in their lives and they try to effect change in lots of things that need changing!

 

[scabbytattoo]

I want government and self appointed authorities out of my life completely, not more involved

did you know they are about to ban incandescent lights 75 watts and over?
That's right, you will no longer be able to get 50 cent light bulbs, you will need to buy 10 dollar fluorescent light bulbs that to me fail even more often than the cheap ones we use now

Government, don't want em, don't need em

Wait you got a link for that? Cuzco I was about to yeast out to get some and maybe need to get more now.....

 

[grandmato5]

Nope, I don't want the vaping world to change. I enjoy watching a free market system at work, even with its occasional bumps along the way. Its not something we get to witness very often anymore and unfortunately I'm afraid we are losing that forever in the world today and I don't consider that a good thing.

The fact that we each have so many different choices and options is IMO the reason so many of us here success in giving up cigarettes. The fact that "what Johnny thinks works but Billy says is crap and his way works better" is proof of that. I might very well like what Johnny uses and would fail terribly if I had to use what Billy prefers. We are all different and what works for some of us wont be the best option for others. In a true free market system the poor products weed themselves out and the better products succeed. If one has been around the vaping for world for long enough they have already seen that happen. There has been a ton of innovation within our vaping world over the past few years and left to itself there is no doubt a ton more to come.

I've always been at a loss for understanding why some steeping time for some juices would be a major problem for anyone But if it is, then purchase juice and/or prefilled cartos that have already sat for a couple weeks or months before being sold to you OR purchase the MANY juices that require extremely little steeping time. Again, I'm at a loss to understand why people act as if every juice made by all vendors requires weeks of steeping before it can be used, as that's just not true. Some juices do require more time then others but very few require more then a few days if that long.

Good suggestions have already been given for using juice vendors that that do follow good practices in mixing the juice they sell so I wont repeat them. I'd be fine with regulations for juice vendors IF I thought for a moment those regulations would be reasonable. Unfortunately in todays world our government agencies have completely lost sight of what the word reasonable means

 

[gdaym8]

Have you paid attention at all to what government and big companies have done with the USA food supply? GMOs, seeds that produce plants that can't reproduce so that one company has the entire market on our seed stock, "organic" labels on food that is far from organic, antibiotics in livestock so horrendous that bacteria is growing immune to treatment, cattle raised in feedlots on "grain" (corn) it was never meant to consume (cattle are grazers, corn is bad for them), poultry labeled as "free range" because the barn door is left open, not because they walk out the door. How about medicine, are you aware the CDC allows big pharma to patent parts of disease DNA so that other companies can't even work on treatments?

I will trust the small businessman/woman much faster than big companies with big money. The small business person is relying on the money made from their business to live, they need their customers. With technology today customers hve a way to get the word out on bad business quickly and effectively. We no longer rely on the Better Business Bureau, we have each other. This forum is a prime example of that.

 

[Tanti]

I totally disagree with the OP. The last thing we need is big business in all this. They will try to fit everyone into one little neat box like they did with the other things to get you off smoking and make it so expensive that you might as well smoke. Let the government into it and it will be again taht neat little box that everyone has to fit into. We know how well that has worked for the patches and lozenges with a 90% failure rate. Then they tax the hell out of it all. The put regulations on top of regulations on it all. What will the failure rate be when they get done with it?
You want government to step in they cant even run a postoffice right.
Any industry has gone threw a grass roots stage, and they crawl, then they walk, then they run and did a whole lot better till the government stepped in.

Blu is owned by a tobacco giant btw.
The are companys out there that are FDA reg with their juices, there are brick and mortar stores that are health department checked.
Do your research more. Course you could always make your own juice.

Got to love free market this is how it suppost to be!

 

[jerseyrob]

Joe Blow in the basement with no shirt on making juice now that sounds like a party!!! Mom and Pop stores are the backbone of industry.
I mean come on man 12 bucks for 5 blue cartos which only 3 work . You keep paying them there scientist . I'll stick with Mom,Pop,and Joe Blow.

 

[gdaym8]

Joe Blow in the basement with no shirt on making juice now that sounds like a party!!! Mom and Pop stores are the backbone of industry.
I mean come on man 12 bucks for 5 blue cartos which only 3 work . You keep paying them there scientist . I'll stick with Mom,Pop,and Joe Blow.

Lest we end up with a walmart version of vaping supplies where everything available is cheap crap

 

[-MikeR-]

Small business is what created America, the gubment screws small business. Once .gov gets involved thats when it will be the end of us. There are plenty of companies out there that are buy/vape/toss no hassle set the tow and let it go...


BTW "you didnt build that"

 

[Tanti]

Lest we end up with a walmart version of vaping supplies where everything available is cheap crap

If the big business takes over we can expect walmart to jump on the band wagon, those big business will farm out to china, and there goes the quality of juice.

Also from what I read IF they were to regulate the e-juice they will get rid of the candy, fruit,and pastry flavors so OMG the kids dont try them. Its such a hystiria, but they do nothing about getting rid of analogs. They just love all that tax money and greased pockets they get. The FDA lies, the government lies, they all lie to make it look bad.

 

[jimmyh]

Joe Blow in the basement with no shirt on making juice now that sounds like a party!!! Mom and Pop stores are the backbone of industry.

Hey, don't talk about me that way. LOL
I don't want government getting involved with this. I will make it myself before supporting BT or BP or your Walmarts ect.

 

[Leatherneck]

I don't want the government involved. I don't want them in my bedroom. I don't want them in my religion (or lack thereof). I don't want them in my wallet. All that, and I don't want them in my vaporizer.

I'm no anarchist. I'm a former active-duty Marine. The government has it's place. I just don't think their place is everywhere.

Regulation isn't free. The government worker testing things to make sure they're up to standards will want to get paid for his work. His boss is going to want to get paid. Her boss is going to want to get paid. They're going to need a building. They're going to need cars and supplies and computers etc. None of that's free and the companies involved aren't going to want to just eat that loss.

 

[Butters78]

Joe Blow in the basement with no shirt on making juice now that sounds like a party!!! Mom and Pop stores are the backbone of industry.
I mean come on man 12 bucks for 5 blue cartos which only 3 work . You keep paying them there scientist . I'll stick with Mom,Pop,and Joe Blow.

Here is Joe. He can drink a beer in two seconds flat and make one hell of a RY4. God bless America. Keep the corporations out.

 

[AlmityPunx]

hey i wouldnt mind a "vaping walmart"... think of all the toys you can try!

i believe that SOME regulations should be put into place though. i have had concerns about how sanitary my juice production is too.
i dont think that any government agency should REQUIRE every vendor to have a state-of-the-art lab to do it but i would like some transparency and i think vendors SHOULD post pics of their workspace. just to put our collective mind at ease... it would go a long way.

as it has been said... "mom and pop vendors are the backbone of this country"

if you want the blu cartos go for it! but this being a free country we should have the right to choose what we want.


RESEARCH BEFORE CONDEMNING!

 

[cactus71]

Damn... I know I've never "Liked" this many responses in one thread before, but those finding objection to the OP were spot on and I'm with you all... perfect counter-arguments

 

[Vash]

For someone who seems to worry so much about us so called Jo Blow juice makers I wonder if he worries so much about where and how everything else he puts in his body is produced.I have a feeling the answer is no Just because something isnt made by a major company doesnt mean its bad

 

[tartanraven]

My neighbor brought over a lasagna tonight...in the morning I'm having it sent to a lab for in-depth analysis before it goes to a congressional subcommittee for debate on if the FDA and CDC should release it for my consumption. While I'm waiting I will finance a grass roots movement to combat a growing sentiment that the lasagna, without further testing an acceptance by the global health community, should be consumed by any neighbors I might have over.

My neighbor seems reluctant to have governmental oversight into her recipe book as it would cause her to have to make room in her R&D budget to eat out more often. I'm hoping that this process is expedient because I would like to eat my lasagna before congress convenes again.

 

[tartanraven]

Here is Joe. He can drink a beer in two seconds flat and make one hell of a RY4. God bless America. Keep the corporations out.

Dad?? Dad???

 

[Vash]

I personally dont use or eat or buy or think anything unless the goverment tells me I should