Am I the only one who wants vaping to change?

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For someone who seems to worry so much about us so called Jo Blow juice makers I wonder if he worries so much about where and how everything else he puts in his body is produced.I have a feeling the answer is no :D Just because something isnt made by a major company doesnt mean its bad :2c:

In my personal experience, it's usually the opposite. The bigger the company that makes it, the better the chance it'll be crap. And the last thing I need is for the government mandating what I can and can't vape. I can make my own decisions -- the days I needed a nanny are long over.

I also definitely don't need some big corporation feeding some mass-produced, common-denominator swill into my tanks. Yes, I have to steep my juices. Why is that? Because someone just mixed it precisely to my specifications, and it's still fresh, that's why. It just boggles my mind that someone would rather let some CEO decide how he gets his juice than to be able to have it custom-made because, oh my God, I might have to let it sit for a while before it's ready. It makes no sense to me.
 
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hey i wouldnt mind a "vaping walmart"... think of all the toys you can try!

i believe that SOME regulations should be put into place though. i have had concerns about how sanitary my juice production is too.
i dont think that any government agency should REQUIRE every vendor to have a state-of-the-art lab to do it but i would like some transparency and i think vendors SHOULD post pics of their workspace. just to put our collective mind at ease... it would go a long way.

as it has been said... "mom and pop vendors are the backbone of this country"

if you want the blu cartos go for it! but this being a free country we should have the right to choose what we want.


RESEARCH BEFORE CONDEMNING!

You know if the government gets there chubby fingers into it there is no such thing as a few reguations, or a little bit with them.
There is always the choice of companies that have health checks with their brick and mortar buildings.
 

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You know if the government gets there chubby fingers into it there is no such thing as a few reguations, or a little bit with them.
There is always the choice of companies that have health checks with their brick and mortar buildings.

^QFT

They don't know when to say when.

I would rather a small business owner make my ....anything, than some "employee" making min wage who hates his job and slave driving boss.
 

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and Starbucks coffee was better when they were only 1 shop in Seattle. Street tacos are garbage compared to chain restaurants. Wal-Mart deli meet is safer than the butchers. A mass produced piss yellow lager is tastier than a fine-crafted micro-brew. Justin Bieber is better than the local street musician on the corner. Hostess donuts are better than the local bakery. Lays potato chips must be better than Boulder or Kettle, etc. A candle from the grocery store must be better than from a candle maker. A Hershey's chocolate kiss sucks compared to a candy shop.

... am I summing this up correctly?
 
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Yeah, in a way I see what the OP means. Remember when you smoked? you didn't have to think about anything, just get a carton and use as desired. It was so easy it became an automatic response. Now we have to keep up with the new stuff, new juice new atties new mods.

The trouble is big business had it's chance and never got past 3 piece cig alikes. It was the users who came up with tanks, gennies, rebuild-ables etc. Mods are a whole industry created by men in sheds and copied by Chinamen in factories.

Eventually it will reach a point where the tech is as good as it gets (or good enough to sell in large numbers) but I wouldn't bet on BT or BP producing that tech, their expertize is marketing and they will do a fine job of it if us hobbyists are let create something for them to market.

My fear is that they will get their hands on it too soon and we will never get to the nirvana of vaping.
 

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Have you paid attention at all to what government and big companies have done with the USA food supply? GMOs, seeds that produce plants that can't reproduce so that one company has the entire market on our seed stock, "organic" labels on food that is far from organic, antibiotics in livestock so horrendous that bacteria is growing immune to treatment, cattle raised in feedlots on "grain" (corn) it was never meant to consume (cattle are grazers, corn is bad for them), poultry labeled as "free range" because the barn door is left open, not because they walk out the door. How about medicine, are you aware the CDC allows big pharma to patent parts of disease DNA so that other companies can't even work on treatments?

I will trust the small businessman/woman much faster than big companies with big money. The small business person is relying on the money made from their business to live, they need their customers. With technology today customers hve a way to get the word out on bad business quickly and effectively. We no longer rely on the Better Business Bureau, we have each other. This forum is a prime example of that.



Right on and lets not forget how they inject cows to give more milk - comes out w/pus in it and has to be cleaned up first before selling to the public, also milk from injected cows turns sour more quickly. Who needs the FDA - they ok things w/backdoor money. They dont give a kitty about if something is harmful or not. All about the money and power to control
 

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I guess I'm not completely comfortable with that shirtless guy mixing up my juice either. I prefer well dressed mixers.

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But I'm thankful that in America I don't have to wear a shirt to shop for ecigs

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Joe Blow in the basement with no shirt on making juice now that sounds like a party!!! Mom and Pop stores are the backbone of industry.
I mean come on man 12 bucks for 5 blue cartos which only 3 work . You keep paying them there scientist . I'll stick with Mom,Pop,and Joe Blow.

We won't be the ones payin them, Just sayin....
 

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Giant corporation R&D Ok boys we have a problem see this here mop at best people buy a new mop head twice a year and spend tops 20$ a year on pinesol and murphays oil soap.
This is an untapped market what can we do to get more money from the consumer? First lets replace the handle its way to sturdy lets make it from plastic so it will break and can be cheaply produced in China.
lets get rid of the mop head its way to efficient it can be washed and reused several time over for gods sake!!!!! Lets give them some wipes presoaped attached to a plastic pole. We can produce for penny's and sell for dollars! Now we are on to something sure we lose a few jobs from some rubes in Arkansas but we stand to gain millions in the process. Good job boys in a couple of years you will be hard pressed to find a good old fashion mop now send this over to advertising so we they can figure out some way to make this look attractive so we can get people to do away with the obvious better product and buy ours!
Dont let your ecigs go the way of the mop!!!
 

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I started to respond to each and every thread but it turns out they are all basically same. Just anti-government drivel with no real thought about what I put in my original post. In my op I spoke of science and technology not government. The closest thing I said to government was the health department comment. Is the health department bad also? If you think it is your fooling yourself. The health dept has protected many, many consumer throughout the years. Without them your gambling every time you walk into an unknown restaurant for dinner. People on this planet come from all walks of life, some with much lower sanitary standards than your used to. Your used to those standards because of the health dept. Eat where you want but I prefer eating from the restaurant with a five start rating from them.
In your posts some of you we're hung up on the fact that the hobbyists and mom and pop operations moved this industry in a direction the big corporations could or did not. I don't argue with that, it's a fact. Some of the greatest inventions on the planet come from the basement inventor or the little guy with a big idea. That's going to happen no matter what. You can't stop it. Whoever controls the vaping industry are going to get some of there biggest ideas from the little guy. History has proven that time and time again. You think Alexander Gram Bell was a big corporation?
Lots of you mentioned wal-mart and big retail making quality go down and prices go up. That's true if that's how you choose to spend your money. I will spend mine on BMW and Mercedes. I will drink my grey goose vodka instead of Smirnoff. I will buy e juice that is scientifically designed to be the best it can be. As with all things invented there will be a growth period and a learning curve. The price will go up at first. More and more company's will get a quality product on the shelves to compete and the prices will go down. This is the natural progression. It will happen if the FDA doesn't squash the whole industry first. I'm sure there is lots of money just waiting to see where the chips will fall in court. I live in Loudon county, in Northern Virginia. Tons of trendy, yuppy, thirty something, college educated, government employees that smoke. I'm 20 minutes from Washington DC and I don't have a brick and mortar vape store within an hour and a half of me. Why? Because its a risky investment right now. To many chips in the air. When those chips fall, if they fall correctly, lots of money will be dropped. I'm sure I will see vape stores opening all over. Once upon a time in this country we made moonshine in our back yards. Some was good and some killed you. The problem was unless you knew the moonshiner personally you were taking a gamble every time you bought some. It could be fire water from the gods or make you go blind, you just didn't know. Lots of people got hurt. [ENTER SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY] Now look at the liquor industry. It's thriving. Every bottle you pull off the shelf is the same and perfect. We know all the facts. No more hearsay or rumors about what works and what doesn't. How many of you want to go back to the moonshine days? How many of you boycott liquor because its taxed by the government?
As for all of you who put words in my mouth with your anti-government agendas, shame one you. This thread had practically nothing to do with the government. I spoke of science and technology. I'll be back, time to get the kids out the door.
 

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Oh yeah! This is an historical thread. Way to go OP. I believe all consumers have been lead on for so long they don't see right or think right.
In natural horsemanship and trailer loading they say "it's not about the trailer, it's about the relationship you have with the horse." or let's put it another way. It's not about the end result, it's about the process. What everyone seems to be saying in response to your post, which I believe you meant you want more QC and standardization, is that there are a lot of ways to get that. I need to be my own advocate in my world. It's my responsibility to get verification on something that is being told to me or information on whats being sold to me. I dont have to buy it. If I don't have time for all that maybe I should make time. Turn off the TV. I think we need more independence, freedom of choice, self reliance, responsibility for our own choices, responsibility for ourselves for heavens sake and room to grow and learn which always involves making mistakes. How can that be standardized? By doing my own QC. DIY. With hardware make some mistakes and try a variety of options, the things that really don't work well won't be available long. That's why it appears chaotic but really it's NOT. Its resourceful. A little investment of my own time and my own money I can achieve the standard and QC as best as possible with what is available out there. So many good points have been made due to your post. Even if we misunderstood. Doesn't matter. Beauty of free speech.
 

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Giant corporation R&D Ok boys we have a problem see this here mop at best people buy a new mop head twice a year and spend tops 20$ a year on pinesol and murphays oil soap.
This is an untapped market what can we do to get more money from the consumer? First lets replace the handle its way to sturdy lets make it from plastic so it will break and can be cheaply produced in China.
lets get rid of the mop head its way to efficient it can be washed and reused several time over for gods sake!!!!! Lets give them some wipes presoaped attached to a plastic pole. We can produce for penny's and sell for dollars! Now we are on to something sure we lose a few jobs from some rubes in Arkansas but we stand to gain millions in the process. Good job boys in a couple of years you will be hard pressed to find a good old fashion mop now send this over to advertising so we they can figure out some way to make this look attractive so we can get people to do away with the obvious better product and buy ours!
Dont let your ecigs go the way of the mop!!!

It's called being a smart consumer. If you feel that way about mops than why would you spend your money on one? You can still buy old school mops. I'll clue you in to why people buy presoaked wipe mops. In fact there are two reasons. One is because those old mops have been found to be unsanitary and full of germs if not cleaned properly. The other reason is convenience. The world has changed. People don't live the way they used to. The world is fast paced. People's time is worth money. People don't have time or want to pull out a bucket, fill it with soapy water, mop their floor, clean out the bucket, put the mop head in the washer, then in the dryer. They don't want mopping the floor to take an hour. They need to get to work or get the kids to school, then to soccer, then home to cook dinner. They want to mop the floor in 5 minutes and be done with it. The world has changed, time is worth money. That's why the mop has changed.
 

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I started to respond to each and every thread but it turns out they are all basically same. Just anti-government drivel with no real thought about what I put in my original post. In my op I spoke of science and technology not government. The closest thing I said to government was the health department comment. Is the health department bad also? If you think it is your fooling yourself. The health dept has protected many, many consumer throughout the years. Without them your gambling every time you walk into an unknown restaurant for dinner. People on this planet come from all walks of life, some with much lower sanitary standards than your used to. Your used to those standards because of the health dept. Eat where you want but I prefer eating from the restaurant with a five start rating from them.
In your posts some of you we're hung up on the fact that the hobbyists and mom and pop operations moved this industry in a direction the big corporations could or did not. I don't argue with that, it's a fact. Some of the greatest inventions on the planet come from the basement inventor or the little guy with a big idea. That's going to happen no matter what. You can't stop it. Whoever controls the vaping industry are going to get some of there biggest ideas from the little guy. History has proven that time and time again. You think Alexander Gram Bell was a big corporation?
Lots of you mentioned wal-mart and big retail making quality go down and prices go up. That's true if that's how you choose to spend your money. I will spend mine on BMW and Mercedes. I will drink my grey goose vodka instead of Smirnoff. I will buy e juice that is scientifically designed to be the best it can be. As with all things invented there will be a growth period and a learning curve. The price will go up at first. More and more company's will get a quality product on the shelves to compete and the prices will go down. This is the natural progression. It will happen if the FDA doesn't squash the whole industry first. I'm sure there is lots of money just waiting to see where the chips will fall in court. I live in Loudon county, in Northern Virginia. Tons of trendy, yuppy, thirty something, college educated, government employees that smoke. I'm 20 minutes from Washington DC and I don't have a brick and mortar vape store within an hour and a half of me. Why? Because its a risky investment right now. To many chips in the air. When those chips fall, if they fall correctly, lots of money will be dropped. I'm sure I will see vape stores opening all over. Once upon a time in this country we made moonshine in our back yards. Some was good and some killed you. The problem was unless you knew the moonshiner personally you were taking a gamble every time you bought some. It could be fire water from the gods or make you go blind, you just didn't know. Lots of people got hurt. [ENTER SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY] Now look at the liquor industry. It's thriving. Every bottle you pull off the shelf is the same and perfect. We know all the facts. No more hearsay or rumors about what works and what doesn't. How many of you want to go back to the moonshine days? How many of you boycott liquor because its taxed by the government?
As for all of you who put words in my mouth with your anti-government agendas, shame one you. This thread had practically nothing to do with the government. I spoke of science and technology. I'll be back, time to get the kids out the door.

science and technology is great until, FDA, big business and taxing and everyone else gets their hands in on it. Tobacco is big money for alot of people, booze is also big business and lots of money for lots of people. There are alot of back door deals going on. If there wernt then tobacco would have been ban along time ago as soon as they found out how deadly it is.
Let me ask you this, tell me you have never bought a cookie or cake or any home made item from a bake sale, or road side stand. Did you know how they were made? How about local made jellys and jams, did you know how they were made. Or do you only buy things that are health department checked. Oh how about that little girl with lemonaid on the corner?
These e-cigs hurt big business including government business (taxes). And they can see e-cigs are big business.

Right now e-cigs and all the things that go along with them are being developed by users. What knows best for the industry but people who use the items. I can almost predict that if the government (FDA) gets into it they will do away with all the fun flavors. They will reduce what e-cigs that are available to what they think is with in what guide line they would set up.

Since Blu is own by one of the tobacco giants, guess what we will have available to us Blu products. All the other FDA approved smoking cessation products dont really work, with a 90% failure rate, it could possibly the e-cig could go the way of them. I can see what will happen cause having worked in a pharmacy for 21 years I saw what the FDA does. They can do this a few different ways regulate who can buy nicotine. Put restrictions on who can manufacture ejuice, put restictions on what e-cig can do and how they can look. They could make it so you cant even drip your own ejuice and have it prefilled carts only with just a few generic flavors. Oh and the whole testing that FDA will demand that is very expensive that little manufactures wont beable to afford, so only the drug companys or tobacco companies will have that kind of money. Oh they can do alot. So when ever anyone says they would like to see what you said you want makes me cringe cause that is just one step closer to the doom of free market and choice. Government then will want their piece of the pie, tax the heck out of them cause they are loosing tax revenue from all these people that arnt smoking anymore.

So its not shame on me ! I guess you dont see a slippery slide you are asking for.

If you are so worried about how something is made use a company that is FDA reg or use a on line company that has a brick and mortar like Pinkspot vapors. Or theres one itn Tenn, and WI. There are quite a few of them.
 
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