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A toaster for sure 
I have a 4081 in my vape box and i measured the resistance and it is dang near the 901. That is probably why it is working so well with the NiMh.
I mentioned in an earlier post that I have a 510 atomizer and adapter coming to test to see how the 510 works with the Puck mod. We'll see how the NiMh holds up with that atomizer.
I liked my 4081 but the only problem I had with it was it didn't hold much juice. Every one said there was extended cartridges but I could never find any. After a while I moved to the 901 which i really liked and have been using that atomizer on all my mods. I have stuck with Puck design though since it has worked so well for me. I've made a bunch of others but it has been tops for me.
Are you juicing the 4081 somehow or are you just using cartos?
I have a 4081 in my vape box and i measured the resistance and it is dang near the 901. That is probably why it is working so well with the NiMh.
I mentioned in an earlier post that I have a 510 atomizer and adapter coming to test to see how the 510 works with the Puck mod. We'll see how the NiMh holds up with that atomizer.
I liked my 4081 but the only problem I had with it was it didn't hold much juice. Every one said there was extended cartridges but I could never find any. After a while I moved to the 901 which i really liked and have been using that atomizer on all my mods. I have stuck with Puck design though since it has worked so well for me. I've made a bunch of others but it has been tops for me.
Are you juicing the 4081 somehow or are you just using cartos?
Hmm, we'll call that a toaster then
You're probably not too far off with that one, all though i might lean more towards mini george foreman grill
A toaster for sure
I have a 4081 in my vape box and i measured the resistance and it is dang near the 901. That is probably why it is working so well with the NiMh.
I mentioned in an earlier post that I have a 510 atomizer and adapter coming to test to see how the 510 works with the Puck mod. We'll see how the NiMh holds up with that atomizer.
I liked my 4081 but the only problem I had with it was it didn't hold much juice. Every one said there was extended cartridges but I could never find any. After a while I moved to the 901 which i really liked and have been using that atomizer on all my mods. I have stuck with Puck design though since it has worked so well for me. I've made a bunch of others but it has been tops for me.
Are you juicing the 4081 somehow or are you just using cartos?
just straight dripping, i've never been able to find a cart mod that i find satisfactory. I usually get 10 or 15 good hits out of three drops, so refilling more often doesn't bother me much
If you are still using the NiMh batts, let me know how long they last for you using the 4081 if you could. I can't use mine on NiMh for testing until I find an adapter or build a new box with the right connector.
no prob, they're still going strong, but ill let you know when they quit
Any report on how long the batteries lasted with the 4081 atomizer?
Well I got my 510 atomizer (Joye 510) and adapter in the mail today and went to work.
I screwed on the 901 adapter onto the 510 atomizer and screwed it into the unit. It fit perfectly. Just sticks out of the box about a half an inch higher because of the adapter but still not too far.
First off, I don't like the tips I order for the 510 atomizer. I tried to use them but didn't like them. I love my 910 thin whistle tips, so I replaced the 510 tips with my 901 and they work like a champ just as they do on a 901 and the fit is perfect.
I also measured the resistance of the Joye 510 atomizer and it was about 2.2 ohms. This makes it interesting because the 901 is 3 to 3.2 ohms in my collection. We're trying a 2.2 ohm atty on the Puck now.
After screwing it in, filled the cart, inserted freshly charged batteries and I took the first hit. The first couple hits were a bit harsh but that mellowed out, the same as it does for the 901. I tried to hit it very often, but due to the nicotine, found myself very light headed so I had to slow down. It is producing as much vapor as the 901 does and about the same throat hit and taste.
I've been using it over 5 hours now and it is still going strong. Batteries read about 4.5 volts when the button is pressed still as they did after the first hour of vaping.
I will report how long the batteries last. I'm taking about 3 to 4 hits then sitting it down for about 5 minutes or so then starting over. Can't go any faster due to the nicotine.
Here are some photos of the 510 atomizer and the adapter which I picked up at StrictlyeJuice really cheap.
UPDATE: 9 Hours and still vaping... Batteries read 4.3 volts still, just down .2 volts from 3 hours ago. Looks like the Puck is going to work just fine with the 510 atomizer. Still producing great vapor and taste.
I screwed on the 901 adapter onto the 510 atomizer and screwed it into the unit. It fit perfectly. Just sticks out of the box about a half an inch higher because of the adapter but still not too far.
First off, I don't like the tips I order for the 510 atomizer. I tried to use them but didn't like them. I love my 910 thin whistle tips, so I replaced the 510 tips with my 901 and they work like a champ just as they do on a 901 and the fit is perfect.
I also measured the resistance of the Joye 510 atomizer and it was about 2.2 ohms. This makes it interesting because the 901 is 3 to 3.2 ohms in my collection. We're trying a 2.2 ohm atty on the Puck now.
After screwing it in, filled the cart, inserted freshly charged batteries and I took the first hit. The first couple hits were a bit harsh but that mellowed out, the same as it does for the 901. I tried to hit it very often, but due to the nicotine, found myself very light headed so I had to slow down. It is producing as much vapor as the 901 does and about the same throat hit and taste.
I've been using it over 5 hours now and it is still going strong. Batteries read about 4.5 volts when the button is pressed still as they did after the first hour of vaping.
I will report how long the batteries last. I'm taking about 3 to 4 hits then sitting it down for about 5 minutes or so then starting over. Can't go any faster due to the nicotine.
Here are some photos of the 510 atomizer and the adapter which I picked up at StrictlyeJuice really cheap.
UPDATE: 9 Hours and still vaping... Batteries read 4.3 volts still, just down .2 volts from 3 hours ago. Looks like the Puck is going to work just fine with the 510 atomizer. Still producing great vapor and taste.
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After running the Joye 510 atomizer on the Puck with a 510 TO 901 Atmizer adapter, my theories we mostly correct. It does work. The problem is the batteries only last about 11 to 12 hours. This is basically what I thought might happen and it is true due to the lower resistance of a 510 atomizer.
So you can use a 510 atomizer on the Puck. You just won't get the battery life you get when you use the 901 atomizer it was designed for which will give you over 24 hours of battery life with the Puck.
It is kind of bitter sweet for me because I would have liked to seen the battery life fair better with the 510 even though it still lasts 12 hours, I love my 901 and the 901 is what the Puck was designed around.
The lower resistance of the 510 is what makes it a battery killer. I have a friend who used only 510s and his batteries always died too early. I've always had 901s and the batteries always outperformed until they wouldn't hold a decent charge anymore.
As far as vapor production, I really didn't see too much difference between the two (901 and 510). The 510 did run a little hotter but there really wasn't any more vapor than I get with the 901. Taste is better on my 901 which may mean the 510 is running too hot at 4.5 volts to get a good flavor out of it. The 901's flavor is still really good up to 4.8 volts.
So to sum up, you can use a 510 atomizer with the Puck but you will not get the 24 hours (with sleep in there) out of it like you do with the 901 atomizer. Expect about 11 or twelve hours with a 510 atty.
If there is a 510 that has a higher resistance up around the 2.9 to 3 ohm range, then it might do as well as the 901 but the Joye 510 I ordered has 2.2 ohms and lasted for 12 hours of vaping. It is useable, but I still prefer using the 901 atty for the Puck. Even yet, 12 hours out of 4 AAA NiMh rechargable batteries you can buy anywhere is still really good for a 510 atomizer.
So you can use a 510 atomizer on the Puck. You just won't get the battery life you get when you use the 901 atomizer it was designed for which will give you over 24 hours of battery life with the Puck.
It is kind of bitter sweet for me because I would have liked to seen the battery life fair better with the 510 even though it still lasts 12 hours, I love my 901 and the 901 is what the Puck was designed around.
The lower resistance of the 510 is what makes it a battery killer. I have a friend who used only 510s and his batteries always died too early. I've always had 901s and the batteries always outperformed until they wouldn't hold a decent charge anymore.
As far as vapor production, I really didn't see too much difference between the two (901 and 510). The 510 did run a little hotter but there really wasn't any more vapor than I get with the 901. Taste is better on my 901 which may mean the 510 is running too hot at 4.5 volts to get a good flavor out of it. The 901's flavor is still really good up to 4.8 volts.
So to sum up, you can use a 510 atomizer with the Puck but you will not get the 24 hours (with sleep in there) out of it like you do with the 901 atomizer. Expect about 11 or twelve hours with a 510 atty.
If there is a 510 that has a higher resistance up around the 2.9 to 3 ohm range, then it might do as well as the 901 but the Joye 510 I ordered has 2.2 ohms and lasted for 12 hours of vaping. It is useable, but I still prefer using the 901 atty for the Puck. Even yet, 12 hours out of 4 AAA NiMh rechargable batteries you can buy anywhere is still really good for a 510 atomizer.
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Yes, I take to voltage directly across the battery when I press the "vape" button. It is the voltage when the atomizer is loading the battery.
The voltage unloaded would be a lot higher.
sorry, been sick for over a week and haven't been vaping much due to a sore throat, but that first set of rechargeables is still going. I have no Idea what that equates to under normal conditions though, sorry. ill let you know when I find out though
Starts off about 4.59 to 4.6 volts under load. I'm surprised myself at how well NiMH hold up. I have used them for almost a year and couldn't be happier with them (on a 910 atomizer though I must qualify). My inital testing with the 510 does show though that you and get a good days worth out of freshly charged set which is way better than any normal e-cig battery.
Everybody seems to knock them but don't even know any facts saying things like "their not protected". If they would read up on them, they would know that they don't have to have protection and are designed to be high drained. Todays NiMH doesn't have the memory problem older cells used to have and they stay a lot more consistant in their charge release.
That's why they are the workhorse of the rechargable battery market.
My use of Nimh has showed that they deliver great vapor until the very end and then drop off all at once and die,... just like li-ion. They do just slightly... like tenths of a volt while using them but not enough to make a difference. They deliver consistant vapor until very near the end of their charge.
I have not used a regular e-cig battery since using them except once in a great while at an airport or such to blend in.
I just picked up a set of 4 NiMh AAAs rated at 970mah (100 more than what I'd been using) for less than 10 bucks at CVS. Going to give them a try now
Have you cats tried this with 14500 li cells?Maybe a reg in the control box??Puck,
Positive comments first
Nimh AAA cells:
Local replacement batteries from just about anywhere (even wally world) is a plus for using Nimh cells. You are correct that memory effect for the stack is of no concern sense you charge them in their own charging slot.
The double box: This is a flexible concept. Room to add features, change the layout, customize just the way you want. Many mods don't offer that flexibility. Those that want a cigarette sized e-cig and are satisfied with the performance might not like the almost hand filling proportions, but a slim e-cig will not perform like a mod.
4.8 volts:
Not quite 5v, but greater than 3.7. I'm satisfied at 3.7v but many people want to go hotter, like 6v or even hotter. 4 Nimh cells seems like a natural solution.
Li-ion:
The primary reason for using Li-ion cells (like in cells phones, laptops, most NEW electronic devices) is charge density. Aside from some of the newer variations of Lithium battery technology, the Li-ion cell provides more charge for size or weight. Just like the Nimh has a size and weight advantage over Nicad. (I used to fly Nicads)
The 4 AAA cells give you 4.8 volts (average) with 850mah or a total charge of 4.08 watt hours.
A 18650 Li-ion cell give 3.7 volts (average) with 2600mah or a total charge of 9.62 watt hours. Over twice the charge.
4 AA 2600mah Nimh cells in series or two 18650 Li-ion cells in parallel would give even more watt hours to burn. But, 4 AAAA are a nice way to go (for some).
I normally suck down 2 18650 Li-ion cells per day. 4 AAAA Nimh wouldn't last me long
Keep up the good work. No model e-cig or mod is best for everyone. Yours has features that will appeal to some, and maybe not others. I hope you take this as a positive critique.
The trick to getting the best efficiency from a battery pack is to find a battery voltage, atty resistance, and container for the whole mess that gives you the vapor you want without wasting battery watthours to do it. A linear regulator wastes energy. You might get the voltage you want, get the watts to the atty you want, but the wasted energy will impact the length of time you can vape without recharging.
If the 4 Nimh cells does this, great. No lost energy due to a regulator.
I seem to be able to vape off a single 18650. Get plenty of time between charges. If I get dissatisfied with that, I'll go 2 parallel 18650s
14500s in parallel has been tried and also works for some.
If you can't come up with just the right voltage from off the shelf cells, then I guess a regulator (charge pump might be a little more efficient) is the way to go. Resistors, diodes, regulators waste watthours, just no way around it.
You can eat your cake, or have it last, but not both, lol.
3.7 to 4.2, use as many parallel Li-ion cells as you can hold in your hand.
4.6 to 4.8, series connect 4 Nimh cells. Bigger the better
Either method, recharge when the vapor gets low.
If the 4 Nimh cells does this, great. No lost energy due to a regulator.
I seem to be able to vape off a single 18650. Get plenty of time between charges. If I get dissatisfied with that, I'll go 2 parallel 18650s
14500s in parallel has been tried and also works for some.
If you can't come up with just the right voltage from off the shelf cells, then I guess a regulator (charge pump might be a little more efficient) is the way to go. Resistors, diodes, regulators waste watthours, just no way around it.
You can eat your cake, or have it last, but not both, lol.
3.7 to 4.2, use as many parallel Li-ion cells as you can hold in your hand.
4.6 to 4.8, series connect 4 Nimh cells. Bigger the better
Either method, recharge when the vapor gets low.
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The whole point behind my design was the ability to build the box and get your batteries from a local source... Parts from Radio Shack... Batteries from any local grocery store or department store. Finding something that worked required a lot of experimentation which resulted in the Puck.
A 901 3.2 ohm atomizer hooked up to 4 AAA NiMh batteries works enough to give you plenty of vapor... more than you get out of the conventional e-cig batteries and enough power to last you all the way to the next day. It just works. You can try it for yourself. You don't have to build a Puck. Just hook a 901 atomizer up to 4 AAA batteries in any fashion you like and you will be able to see the combination works as I stated. No regs, No li-ion to have to order. That was the whole purpose behind the design.
I could get into regualtors and such but I wanted it simple, easy to get parts to build, easy to get batteries locally and last a long time. The Puck is the result of that as it is.
I appreciate the interest and maybe a new mod I build later may get more intense with ordered parts (other than the atomizer) and run 5 volts with li batteries... but that is what everyone one else is doing
I wanted to be different (and cheap and small)
The whole point behind my design was the ability to build the box and get your batteries from a local source... Parts from Radio Shack... Batteries from any local grocery store or department store. Finding something that worked required a lot of experimentation which resulted in the Puck.
I could get into regualtors and such but I wanted it simple, easy to get
I appreciate the interest and maybe a new mod I build later may get more intense with ordered parts (other than the atomizer) and run 5 volts with li batteries... but that is what everyone one else is doing
Gonna build one like u say.. (still workin on other for future, will let u know)
Thanks for the TUT on this. Keep it up
P.S. If you get the drip feeder workin would luv a look :>)
would the rechargeable lithium batteries from ace work in the puck as well as the nihm,s?
Sure would. They should be 1.2 volts if I'm not mistaken but make sure they are rechargable. I have never found any actual rechargable lithium batteries in any store that was not specially designed for some type of tool.
I could never find an AA or AAA rechargable lithium in any store and I looked a lot because I once had a digitial camera that used li-ions. It would eat akalines for breakfast, lasting only about 20 photos or so but li-ions would last through the whole memory card. I started using NiMh in it and they worked great. The search for the li-ions still continued and still to this day can't find rechargables li-ions (AA or AAA) in a store.
Ace doesn't even have anything like that on their website so it may be something the owner of the store is carrying like they do in neighborhood hardware stores but the actual Ace corporate doesn't carry them.
If you can get them, snatch them up because they are a scarce item anywhere you look besides online. If they were readily available, that's what the Puck would have been using but since they are not, the NiMh is the closest you can get to the power requirements for an e-cig.
I wanted something I could get easily when testing the design and NiMh was the easiest to get so I designed around them but if you can get li-ions in a store, go for it dude
I'd buy all they had if I were you and sell them if they were cheap enough. 
Now I'll have to check my local Ace to see if they have any.
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