Let me clarify I enjoy sub-ohm and cloud chasing. It's not rocket science and can be as safe as any other vape. My annoyance is with TC coils being sold by Kanger and such at .2 ohms. You can daily read on here someone wanting to play with low ohm coils that have no understanding of ohms law. Add to that people tend to believe if it's made from a factory and it fits a mod then it's safe. I'm just waiting to read about someone placing a TC coil on a mech using a AW bat with a 10amp limit thinking they are safe because everything seems to work together. They don't know any better and I have no quarrel with that, it's part of learning. It's companies and individuals selling products with no regards to wether the person understands the risks and to make things worse half the people working at vape shops don't know any better either. I talked to a couple guys working that said learning ohms law was a waste of time to just use the calculator apps. Those apps build complacency and complacency is one of the most dangerous things in the world.
Annoyed with sub-ohm and lack of education.
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In general, people who buy prebuilt coils are using regulated mods... some are more extreme, such as a sigelei 150, but still have built-in protection and come with basic instruction to use 20A+ batteries. These kind of regulated mods also will not fire if the resistance is lower than the mod is safely capable.
Also in general, people who use mechs are hobbyists who build their own coils and have a large collection of mods and atomizers...
I don't think that Kanger (or any other company) should refrain from selling certain items simply because some newbie is going to make mistakes. The vendor selling the items could inform an unknowledgable person about safe practices, but untimately this is an individual responsibility. People should be able to purchase anything they want. Although I would never use a pre-built coil, I don't want my right to buy one taken away.
Also in general, people who use mechs are hobbyists who build their own coils and have a large collection of mods and atomizers...
I don't think that Kanger (or any other company) should refrain from selling certain items simply because some newbie is going to make mistakes. The vendor selling the items could inform an unknowledgable person about safe practices, but untimately this is an individual responsibility. People should be able to purchase anything they want. Although I would never use a pre-built coil, I don't want my right to buy one taken away.
TC coils are made for TC devices. Everywhere I have seen that sells them makes that very clear.
I use the steam machine all the time, because it's good for planning out your build. But this... this is the quote of the damn year.
I think stores should quit selling chicken and pork. Not everyone knows how to cook. If these things aren't cooked properly, they can kill you.
I complain about the government, big T and co. patronizing me or vapers in general.
I think that we are all responsible vapers who inform ourselfes about what we're doing.
But then I can't start patronizing others because there are some idiots that don't inform themselfes.
I think that we are all responsible vapers who inform ourselfes about what we're doing.
But then I can't start patronizing others because there are some idiots that don't inform themselfes.
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Something that will solve issues like this and many others; do research/read about what you want to do before doing it.
Unrelated to TC but I tried to understand the math with ohms law and all that, but I couldn't! My brain hasn't wanted to work for math since I was a child. Anyways, I looked up the batteries I use, look up their limits, and verify on the forums and Steam Engine the information. I found out what the lowest safe limit was and didn't go under that. With enough reading, I pretty much started rebuilding and using a SMPL clone. I made sure to verify all of my builds on an ohm meter, made sure to use fresh batteries and swap at the first sign of it's performance going down and nothing scary ever happened to this noob here.
Read, read and read. Get yourself informed and you can minimize your accidents, no matter what device you're using.
Unrelated to TC but I tried to understand the math with ohms law and all that, but I couldn't! My brain hasn't wanted to work for math since I was a child. Anyways, I looked up the batteries I use, look up their limits, and verify on the forums and Steam Engine the information. I found out what the lowest safe limit was and didn't go under that. With enough reading, I pretty much started rebuilding and using a SMPL clone. I made sure to verify all of my builds on an ohm meter, made sure to use fresh batteries and swap at the first sign of it's performance going down and nothing scary ever happened to this noob here.
Read, read and read. Get yourself informed and you can minimize your accidents, no matter what device you're using.
which leads tooooo.... B&M's not only being vape shops, but they should educate their customers if they sell this kind of thing to people. Not everyone uses the internet nowadays.... or use it for different things only
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You would think...however...
Today, most are too lazy to read.
If it's not on some ridiculous YouTube video with "Cloudz Bro!" they won't take the time.
Zikazdidz!
That's the truth, had someone in new members asking how many wraps, what ohms etc, I think steam engine was linked 2-3 times and mentioned half a dozen, just kept ignoring it and asking for the short version
I wrote a similar post 3 years ago when sub ohm was reaching "gasp" 30 watts. There's always going to be that group that will not wait, will not take time to learn and refuse to accept, you can't just grab a mod and do what you want without some knowledge.
I have nothing against selling these coils. My issue is lack of information being given/ made clear. Most people over look fine print on packages. Warning information is more about protecting a company vs the individual. If a label states "use only with 25 amp or higher rated batteries " on the back corner of a box who is going to read that? Will the people that do read that understand what they are reading? I also completely agree it is the users responsibility to be informed. But I also believe it is the responsibility of those that do know to teach those that do not hence my title stating its lack of education that frustrates me.
I wish I was able to dig it up, all my predictions came true,venting batteries, exploding mods and injured vapors
I see that a lot. I'm not going to tell you how many times to wrap your coil without any other info.
I'm not great at math but I like my hands so I do my homework, use my multimeter and validate what I'm doing. It isn't rocket science, but many people don't even seem to know what they are trying to do before jumping in.
Well, you can only help those that want help. If someone doesn't want to be educated and only wants to be held by their hand, they better be damned lucky to find the person to do it. These are the people that fall for the "I know what I'm doing" attitude and listen to whoever sounds smart. I would have linked Steam Engine once, then pointed to the post and told him his info is right there. If they don't want to educate themselves then that's their problem.
Right and then they pout off to another forum and complain about what unhelpful bungholes we are
I'm starting to get annoyed by the annoyed
About a year ago I was talking with a guy that had seen my mod and me vaping, and he pulls out his setup. A mech mod, with an RDA it. So I check it out. It's a Kamry, a cheapy, and a Patriot clone. He tells me that the B&M shop built it for him and sent him on his way. He said it was a .4 build. I almost blew a gasket! At that time, .4 was waaaaay low, even I didn't go that low. And on a mech! Forgot what battery he had, but I do remember it WASNT a vtc, which at that time is the only batt I'd have used for that low of build. He had NO clue what he had in his hands. If the shop wasn't in the city, and I hate going there, I'd have went and talked to the owner. But in reality there's nothing that shop would've changed. There's alot of uneducated people out there vaping, and THEY are what's gonna get us screwed. So sad.... oh, BTW, since this guy's "friend" worked at this B&M, he got a "deal":
Kamry mech mod, average cheapo
Patriot clone
One batt and no name burn your house down cheapo charger
One bottle of Premium juice (actually was a good brand)
Kamry case to hold all of it
$200.00 dollars!
So this guy paid quadruple what he should have, for something he has no clue could hurt him. I'm SURE this is still happening today. Thank goodness the craze is regulated sub-ohming. But overall, I agree with OP.
Kamry mech mod, average cheapo
Patriot clone
One batt and no name burn your house down cheapo charger
One bottle of Premium juice (actually was a good brand)
Kamry case to hold all of it
$200.00 dollars!
So this guy paid quadruple what he should have, for something he has no clue could hurt him. I'm SURE this is still happening today. Thank goodness the craze is regulated sub-ohming. But overall, I agree with OP.
I find this post annoying
In my experience, Non-cloud, Non-sub-ohm, Non-mech, if I walk into a shop and ask for a specific item(s). The shop folks have never asked about what I plan to do or how I plan to use the items I want buy. Is that because I exude the perception of knowing all? Or is it more that when you ask for specific items most folks make a snap judgment that you have the necessary knowledge to use that item for it's designed purpose. Now if I tell the shop folks that I need a new thingy for this thing I might get more Q&A from them. But there is no 'third degree' or 'have you completed the following list of required training' associated with buying an item at a vape shop?
So the 'don't want to look like a noob' thing and 'saw this guy on u-tube' thing, could be a problem.
So the 'don't want to look like a noob' thing and 'saw this guy on u-tube' thing, could be a problem.
THIS is why about 90% of vape shops in my area are awful. They don't teach a f****** thing to their customers about battery safety, just because it's not a rebuildable. Best example of this, I was in another vape shop chilling [edited] and the dude behind the counter said that you can run an atlantis safely on a direct battery contact mech no problem. I proceeded to tell the employee that he will instantly vent his battery due to the threading on the atlantis. The guy said I didn't know what I was talking about and kicked me out. The customer ended up seeing me inside of a restaurant and telling me I was right and thanking me.
Now I get that that isn't really common knowledge, but it's the fact that he thought he was right is the issue. They just want to sell you some high end crap that isn't compatible with each other, and just assume it's OK. It's not, it's what is going to get people hurt, and add on to the negative public perception of vaping that their already is.
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