Annoyed with sub-ohm and lack of education.

[Susan~S]

Best example of this, I was in another vape shop chilling (I work at a vape shop fyi) and the dude behind the counter said that you can run an atlantis safely on a direct battery contact mech no problem. I proceeded to tell the employee that he will instantly vent his battery due to the threading on the atlantis. The guy said I didn't know what I was talking about and kicked me out.

The next time that happens consider contacting the owner of the vape shop, explain what happened and send him a link to this video: Hybrid Top Caps & Battery Failure

Maybe the shop owner will start educating his/her employees.

But I also believe it is the responsibility of those that do know to teach those that do not hence my title stating its lack of education that frustrates me.

Many of us do educate, provide links, etc. Some members listen and do read the links. Some don't.

 

[philoshop]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

 

[NancyR]

I wish I was able to dig it up, all my predictions came true,venting batteries, exploding mods and injured vapors

Thrasher I remember that post, that was about the time I quit sub-ohming as I was concerned with the direction it was headed and wanted nothing more to do with it.

I agree B&M's need to be educated, but as many B&M owners don't know themselves, it is sadly left to us to try to educate some of them so hopefully we don't have some newbie kill themselves by being stupid. One of the local shops where I live have a sign up offering to build as low as 0.2 ohm coils for people, sorry I am of the mind set that if you want to sub-ohm you need to learn and build your own coils. Any shops doing that are IMO stupid and asking for a lawsuit.

 

[stevegmu]

Some people just don't care. They aren't vaping as a smoking cessation tool, but to be cool and blow clouds. So be it...

 

[Bad Ninja]

Shops should, IMHO, dial back building dangerously low coils that exceed the battery's limits, if only to prevent their own liability.

That said, your safety is NEVER anyone else's responsibility.

If you are an adult, it's on you.
100% on you.


It's true people Don't read the fine print.... And it is entirely their mistake in ignoring the information provided.

 

[RebornLincoln06]

Shops should, IMHO, dial back building dangerously low coils that exceed the battery's limits, if only to prevent their own liability.

That said, your safety is NEVER anyone else's responsibility.

If you are an adult, it's on you.
100% on you.


It's true people Don't read the fine print.... And it is entirely their mistake in ignoring the information provided.

Hit the hammer on the nail. You can tell someone to only build, at the lowest, a .12 with a 35 amp battery, but it's up to them if they want to build below that. It's reasons like this why people get hurt and accidents happen.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Hit the hammer on the nail. You can tell someone to only build, at the lowest, a .12 with a 35 amp battery, but it's up to them if they want to build below that. It's reasons like this why people get hurt and accidents happen.

You can also tell them that "35 amp" battery is actually only 20 amps. Look what good that does.....

 

[Susan~S]

You can tell someone to only build, at the lowest, a .12 with a 35 amp battery, but it's up to them if they want to build below that.

I tell those members that there is no such thing as a 35A CDR battery. Most (I would even say ALL) batteries labeled as 35A, 38A, 40A are labeled with the "pulse" amps not the CDR. And I'll even provide a link to @Baditudes blog post: Purple Efest Batteries not as Advertised

And then, if they don't listen (a new member thread, a member who has little to no experience with mech mods and/or rebuildables) and still insist that their build is safe, most of us will see to it that their thread gets sent to the Not Advisable Forum.

 

[DoubleEwe]

What about the people (probably the vast majority) that never have been (or plan to go to a Vape Shop) and just buy their stuff online?
Should the online shop make you complete and pass a test before they let you purchase what is in your basket?

No.
It is up to the buyer to educate themselves on the safe use of the products they are buying.
I once bought a pair of scissors and was shocked to see that the clerk did not inform me of the dangers of running with them, nor that they are sharp.

If I did frequent Vape Shops and I was looking to buy a new piece of kit I would not want some bum-fluff-moustached employee lecturing me on safety.
However, if I asked said employee for safety advice then I would expect them to know their stuff.

 

[Dioxyde]

Everyone reviewers included could stand to talk about safety more, but I place more of that responsibility on vendors who are dealing more with new vapers and actually selling equipment than I do with mod reviewers. The bigger safety issue in the vaping world at the moment is less about chemicals IMHO and more about exploding mods. I have also had the unfortunate experience reported by many others here of vape shop employees who have zero knowledge on battery safety, of course people should do their own research too, but the information on vaping is intimidating at first for newbies and it'd sure be nice if you could count on the guy behind the counter to know wtf they are doing.

 

[RebornLincoln06]

Everyone reviewers included could stand to talk about safety more, but I place more of that responsibility on vendors who are dealing more with new vapers and actually selling equipment than I do with mod reviewers. The bigger safety issue in the vaping world at the moment is less about chemicals IMHO and more about exploding mods. I have also had the unfortunate experience reported by many others here of vape shop employees who have zero knowledge on battery safety, of course people should do their own research too, but the information on vaping is intimidating at first for newbies and it'd sure be nice if you could count on the guy behind the counter to know *** they are doing.

That is part of the problem. You have these shops coming in, they only know products like ego c-twists, and then they try to appeal to sub ohm papers without gaining proper knowledge of batteries first. Fortunately, those shops are usually null in items anyway, and they usually don't last long.

 

[sonicbomb]

What about the people (probably the vast majority) that never have been (or plan to go to a Vape Shop) and just buy their stuff online?
Should the online shop make you complete and pass a test before they let you purchase what is in your basket?
No.
It is up to the buyer to educate themselves on the safe use of the products they are buying.
I once bought a pair of scissors and was shocked to see that the clerk did not inform me of the dangers of running with them, nor that they are sharp.
If I did frequent Vape Shops and I was looking to buy a new piece of kit I would not want some bum-fluff-moustached employee lecturing me on safety.
However, if I asked said employee for safety advice then I would expect them to know their stuff.

Agreed. Even your local convenience store have poisons on the shelf, and we are exposed to potentially lethal items all around us everyday.

But I think the difference within this context is that most kids know that drinking bleach is going to kill you horribly, playing with matches is dangerous etc. However many do not know that looking cool and blowing clouds can get your face blown off. Good product knowledge and a safety mandate should absolutely be a prerequisite for anyone who works in a B&m, period.
It's the shop owners responsibility to ensure this.
Because this is a new technology, and a new phenomenon, and that the inherent dangers are NOT common knowledge.

I know it's an extreme example but, you might put a young man behind the counter of a gun shop, but you would make damn sure he know at least the basics of gun safety. And thats with a product that EVERYONE knows is deadly.

If my kid got hurt from a mod bought from a B&M, and didn't receive any kind of safety blurb... I would be paying the shop owner a visit.

Anyway, all this will soon be irrelevant anyway with the current wave of legislation, B&Ms will be a thing of the past.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

Agreed. Even your local convenience store have poisons on the shelf, and we are exposed to potentially lethal items all around us everyday.

But I think the difference within this context is that most kids know that drinking bleach is going to kill you horribly, playing with matches is dangerous etc. However many do not know that looking cool and blowing clouds can get your face blown off. Good product knowledge and a safety mandate should absolutely be a prerequisite for anyone who works in a B&m, period.
It's the shop owners responsibility to ensure this.
Because this is a new technology, and a new phenomenon, and that the inherent dangers are NOT common knowledge.

I know it's an extreme example but, you might put a young man behind the counter of a gun shop, but you would make damn sure he know at least the basics of gun safety. And thats with a product that EVERYONE knows is deadly.

If my kid got hurt from a mod bought from a B&M, and didn't receive any kind of safety blurb... I would be paying the shop owner a visit.

Anyway, all this will soon be irrelevant anyway with the current wave of legislation, B&Ms will be a thing of the past.

And how many kids start a house fire each year with matches and when asked afterwards they knew it was dangerous they always say yes. Do people the go after the matchmakers (lol) to make them safer?

Does it take an unnatural genius to realize you are putting a POWER SOURCE near your face to know if something went wrong it could be bad, and it's best to research just what that could be before proceeding?

Everyone screams about not wanting legislation (which will happen anyway like you stated) but if you think it won't come faster by admitting most of us are idiots and need protection from ourselves it won't happen faster you're solely mistaken.

 

[englishmick]

And how many kids start a house fire each year with matches and when asked afterwards they knew it was dangerous they always say yes. Do people the go after the matchmakers (lol) to make them safer?

Does it take an unnatural genius to realize you are putting a POWER SOURCE near your face to know if something went wrong it could be bad, and it's best to research just what that could be before proceeding?

Not so sure about this one. I'm pretty well up on everyday technology and I use battery powered tools every day, but a few months ago I had absolutely no idea that rechargeable batteries could be dangerous. Still wouldn't know if I hadn't signed on here. I would have dropped a couple in my pocket with my keys and loose change and never given it a thought until my trousers caught fire.

Mind, like you said about children and matches, even if everyone who wanted to vape was told about potential dangers coming in the door there would be plenty who would still not think it through.

 

[Bad Ninja]

If my kid got hurt from a mod bought from a B&M, and didn't receive any kind of safety blurb... I would be paying the shop owner a visit.

Anyway, all this will soon be irrelevant anyway with the current wave of legislation, B&Ms will be a thing of the past.

Kid?
You mean your ADULT family member?
Last time I was in a B&M they asked for ID.
18 and up only.
That's not a "kid". That's a fellow adult citizen.

B&Ms don't sell mods to "the children".
You have to be a grown up to play.

 

[caferacer]

Kid?
You mean your ADULT family member?
Last time I was in a B&M they asked for ID.
18 and up only.
That's not a "kid". That's a fellow adult citizen.

B&Ms don't sell mods to "the children".
You have to be a grown up to play.

Since when is it inappropriate for a parent to refer to their adult sons or daughters as their kids?

 

[ReigntheGamer]

Not so sure about this one. I'm pretty well up on everyday technology and I use battery powered tools every day, but a few months ago I had absolutely no idea that rechargeable batteries could be dangerous. Still wouldn't know if I hadn't signed on here. I would have dropped a couple in my pocket with my keys and loose change and never given it a thought until my trousers caught fire.

Mind, like you said about children and matches, even if everyone who wanted to vape was told about potential dangers coming in the door there would be plenty who would still not think it through.

To the last part of your comment thats all I am getting at, even if we had warnings galore there would still be that "one guy" who gets hurt and sometimes not from lack of trying to be safe but just bad luck. The misconception is that if there were classes, pamphlets, literature included with mods all of this would go away and that's just pipe dreams.

You can warn people till the cows come home but in the end it's up to the user to take it seriously.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Since when is it inappropriate for a parent to refer to their adult sons or daughters as their kids?

To me, "Kid" infers child.
Let's put it into perspective.
If your grown son bought a wood chipper from Home Depot, and lost finger due to operator error, because said son didn't learn to operate equipment safely, would you march down to Home Depot and blame them?

Adults take responsibility for their own actions. That's part of being an adult.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

To me, "Kid" infers child.
Let's put it into perspective.
If your grown son bought a wood chipper from Home Depot, and lost finger due to operator error, because said son didn't learn to operate equipment safely, would you march down to Home Depot and blame them?

Adults take responsibility for their own actions. That's part of being an adult.

Ummm yeah cause Home Depot didn't make them take a class to teach them not to put your hands near steel blades spinning at 2000 rpms. Silly goose.

 

[caferacer]

To me, "Kid" infers child.
Let's put it into perspective.
If your grown son bought a wood chipper from Home Depot, and lost finger due to operator error, because said son didn't learn to operate equipment safely, would you march down to Home Depot and blame them?

Adults take responsibility for their own actions. That's part of being an adult.

Regardless of your Home Depot example (which I happen to agree with, by the way), your assertion that "kid" means someone who is under the age of 18 is utterly ridiculous to those of us who actually have kids.

Hell, I'm now at the age where I even refer to NFL rookies as kids.