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Another article on the Juul

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  1. Katya

    Katya ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Feb 23, 2010
    SoCal
    Thanks for the review, Uncle!
     
  2. nicnik

    nicnik Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 20, 2015
    Illinois, USA
    They were very nice about it, had me return the device and charger while they quickly sent me a new kit.

    Now, having a new Juul, I've discovered that most of the problems I'd been having were from wear on the device itself. All my pods that were no longer snapping into place well, and therefore not working well, are now working very well on the new device. I still have to squeeze the pod here and there when the vapor gets thinner. That problem is with the pods, and there's leakiness even with new pods.

    The juice is way too strong for me, but with the one pod I hadn't messed with from the original kit I got, the throat hit has diminished to about 20% of original strength since about June this year when I bought it. I hadn't kept it away from heat, light, and humidity, but that's a lot more diminished than my other nic juices get from that sort of neglect.

    I greatly prefer the type of throat hit I get from regular (freebase) nic, compared to juul juice with added PG/VG to bring the nic level down to tolerable. I don't like that I feel the throat hit from the juul juice all the way down into my lungs. Much less pleasant, for me.

    I'm getting some great vaping out of this juul by filling with my own juice. I'm hoping that this new device doesn't loosen up like the last one, which eventually made it not even work with the one pod I hadn't refilled.

    The snap-in design is a problem. A new pod takes a lot of force to snap in, and that begins to wear down the tabs on the pod, and either the same with the device, or the device stretches. The change in the device was the much bigger contributer to the failures, than the change in the pods.

    The problem of leaking from squeezing a pod is a pretty big problem, but I've gotten pretty good with avoiding squeezing. They need to make the pod less flexible. According to their website, the plastic is not polycarbonate, so I guess tank-cracking juices would be OK.
     
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  3. UncleChuck

    UncleChuck Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 20, 2011
    Portland
    Figured I'd share the little Juul setup I put together using an old ego case. Fits a 5200mAh battery pack, a case of pods, and a leather case for the Juuls (actually an eRoll case) makes charging these things a lot easier! 1.jpg
    2.jpg
     
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  4. navigator2011

    navigator2011 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 6, 2013
    Fullerton, CA, USA
  5. cardsfan300

    cardsfan300 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 10, 2014
    Florida
    Where do you get a battery pack like that? I hope they come out with a PCC eventually.. But that would be nice for the car
     
  6. Katya

    Katya ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Feb 23, 2010
    SoCal
  7. UncleChuck

    UncleChuck Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 20, 2011
    Portland
    A PCC would definitely be nice to have, although with the price of the Juul I'm imagining it would be priced really high. The one I'm using is just a standard mobile charging pack or whatever they are called, with an eGo case like Katya said. I got it at Best Buy for $25, it's just their house brand (insignia) and it's a bit bulky (about the size of two 18650s next to each other, but longer) but it lasts a crazy long time with its 5200mAh capacity.

    They have tons of them on their site though if you are interested in picking one up. It's been really handy for things other than the Juul too, I might have to get a second one as I'm finding myself using it for phones, other vape gear, etc. That 2 amp charge rate is nice for quickly charging stuff! Gotta love modern technology ;)

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/cell-phone-batteries/external-battery-packs/pcmcat326000050010.c?id=pcmcat326000050010

    And here is the exact model I have:

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-portable-charger-black-gray/9194103.p?id=1219701748687&skuId=9194103
     
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  8. Katya

    Katya ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Feb 23, 2010
    SoCal
    Oops... I missed the battery pack part... [​IMG]
     
  9. cardsfan300

    cardsfan300 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 10, 2014
    Florida
    Thank you. I will have to pick one if those up. My USB port in my company car is in an awkward place..this will be much easier. How many days does that model last you? Does it let you know when it is getting low?
     
  10. cardsfan300

    cardsfan300 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 10, 2014
    Florida
    Just got a shipment in of pods today. The ones I had were from a gas station in Illinois.. I live in Florida.. They are not here yet. I bought the pods in Illinois shortly after the juul was released. I am not sure if they have improved them or what, but so far this shipment is hitting better than what I had. Anyone else notice a difference since it was released? Just seems to be a more full hit. 6 or 7 puffs and I'm ready to put it down. Now I just gotta get me a battery pack and I am set!
     
  11. nicnik

    nicnik Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 20, 2015
    Illinois, USA
    The nicotine in the pods seems to lose potency a lot more quickly than any other e-liquid I've used. Maybe your old pods were just as strong when you first got them.

    I'm gonna put my pods in the fridge right after I post this. The ones that still have Juul juice, that is.
     
  12. cardsfan300

    cardsfan300 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 10, 2014
    Florida
    Yeah could be. But wow..I really love this thing. I was an eroll user (24 nic), and as much as I loved the eroll..this juul just is something else. Even though it's been well over a year since my last cigarette, even with the eroll, there were times where I still wanted a real smoke. I have not once felt that way with the juul. I love how I am not always reaching for it. At home, I could never put the eroll down, with the juul, I can vape and I don't touch it again for a half hour. It also works very well in the morning. Now I just hope they get it locally so I don't always have to order the pods.
     
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  13. UncleChuck

    UncleChuck Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 20, 2011
    Portland
    I really wish a juice maker would start providing a product with nic salts, I'd be happy paying more than "normal" juice for a 30ml bottle if I knew I'd only use a few mls a day. I did a diy 50mg unflavored juice to try and refill the pods with, but it just isn't the same as the stock juul juice and I'd find myself continually puffing on it like you mention doing with the eroll.

    I swear it's either the same juice, or the same type of nic that the Njoy king had, I haven't used one of those in a long time but it seems like the nic hit is the same and the flavor is incredibly close. I remember wishing Njoy would come out with a rechargeable King with replacement carts, but the Juul is basically the same thing but better. Anyone know if Njoy lost any of their employees to Pax? ;)
     
  14. nicnik

    nicnik Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 20, 2015
    Illinois, USA
    Vermont Vapor lowers the ph of their nic with cirtric acid. I haven't tried it. It's expensive.

    http://www.vtvapor.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=11_35
     
  15. Katya

    Katya ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Feb 23, 2010
    SoCal
    I've been trying to order from them since Kurt revealed that they are using citric acid, but they are always out of stock. I wanted to get some 20 or 35 mg/ml unflavored. :facepalm:
     
  16. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 14, 2013
    SW VA
    Both citric acid and boric benzoic acid (which is what Juul uses to reduce pH) are readily available and inexpensive. I got some of both when I was intrigued by Juul's nic salts patent. But after diluting some of Juul's juice to a normal concentration and vaping it in a regular mod for a while, I came to the conclusion that the only thing really special about Juul's juice is its ultra high nic concentration. Reducing pH makes 50+ mg juice more vapable, but I don't think it does much at all at more normal nic levels (aside from imparting a somewhat strange taste).
     
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  17. nicnik

    nicnik Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 20, 2015
    Illinois, USA
    I stopped looking there, because I ended up not liking vaping nic salts, but yeah, unless you want to pay $100 for 250ml. The smaller bottles of 20mg/ml and 35mg/ml (which is their highest nic level) is always listed as "out of stock".
     
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  18. nicnik

    nicnik Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 20, 2015
    Illinois, USA
    Juul uses benzoic acid, and I think you bought some of that.

    The hit from the juul juice is definitely different, and more of a lung hit for me, but I agree with you that an apparent advantage of the nic salts is that it mutes the harshness, allowing for extremely high nic content. I have no need for that, though it's possible it would've been helpful at first when I was quitting smoking by vaping.
     
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  19. nicnik

    nicnik Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 20, 2015
    Illinois, USA
    It looks like Njoy might have rolled out a disposable with nic salts, though I'm only guessing based on these two bits of info:

    https://www.njoy.com/vaping-e-liquids
    https://www.njoy.com/daily
     
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  20. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 14, 2013
    SW VA
    You're absolutely correct. My bad. I wrote that while still on my first cup of coffee this morning and it was a brain-fart.
     
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