Are they really going to take this away from us?

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grandmato5

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Until we see the proposed deeming order and regulations we don't know what's going to happen and even then there is still a comment period and time frame that the FDA has to at least pretend to consider the comments before any new regulations go into effect. Based on previous history of ecigs and the FDA the final outcome doesn't look too promising. :(

Honestly any new regulations will change our vaping world to some degree. We've been part of a vaping world that has been totally unregulated up to this point. I'd prefer to keep it this way but that's not realistic in todays world unfortunately. :(

We may need to deal with things like no on-line sales- in person sales only, no more shipping via USPS from our vendors, vendors needing tobacco licencing to sell and import licenses to purchase from China, vendors only allowed to sell tobacco and menthol flavored nic juice, standardized labeling on nic juice bottles, inspections of nic juice mixing facilities. Those are some of the minimal changes we could see if they only choose to treat us like other currently regulated tobacco products.

The worse scenario is if they apply Chapter IX of the FSPTCA to e-cigarettes. That could ban many/most e-cigarette products that were not available in the US market before February 15, 2007. Which is pretty much everything on the market today. The process to get new products after Feb 2007 approved is expensive and time consuming and ultimately up to the FDA to approve or not depending on what they feel like doing at any given moment. :( It would likely be many years before anything new after 2007 was approved, IF ever. :(

Our juice is the only thing that contains nicotine be it purchased in bottles or prefilled cartomizers and the only thing clearly that can be regulated by the FDA BUT following what the FDA has done in the past there is no way they wont attach wording to their regulations to attempt to regulation our atty/carto/clearos and battery holders. How much success they can have with that is questionable but no doubt in my mind they will try. :(
 

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If this goes through I am going to be insanely ....... I can understand if they put limitations, and standards on these devices to protect the customer. But banning them, is a really dumb idea. I have already signed the petition, and encouraged my vaping friends to do the same. Honestly, everyone just needs to do their part, and spread the word! We can't have such a great alternative, or quitting method taken away!
 

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This is the i00th anniversary of the single most act to destroy this nation then any other. fed reserve act. When that was enacted,the destruction of this once great nation was merely a matter of time. a hundred yrs later they can/will do whatever they desire. Someone said......'I care not who makes the laws, as long as I control the money'. Very sad indeed.
 

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Hey wait a minute, I specifically said the issue is not just about Obama, it is about the system. Your president is my president and he sucks, just like Bush did before him, and 99% of the crooks in Washington D.C. currently running our government into the ground.

If you think the government you are getting is great, that is fine, but don't make me out to be a Republican Fox News Fan Boy when my post makes it clear I am anything other than that. You can call me a crazy anti-government freak suffering from ADHD and OCD, and that is at least more accurate. I was actually saying Washington, the two party system, and the electorate are broken. You can't blame that on Obama, he is just the latest game show host charlatan to take advantage of the people. The ultimate blame lay on the American people for tolerating this insanity, including me.

Exactly, lesser of two evils springs to mind.Ive heard that term mentioned a lot in the past 16 years and couldn't agree with you more.They all suck....well maybe not all of them but I doubt there are many paragons of virtue left in the dirty world of politics on EITHER side.
 

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I will agree that petitions seem to have little impact. Off topic yes but... we had a petition to ban horse slaughter in America. We needed 100,000 signatures and we sent in over 300,000. The bills never even got out of committee and died in the house. The Administration did respond however. Is this something that can be dealt with via Executive Order or must it go though the house, etc? The truth of the matter (for me) is if there are no longer e cigs, I would have no choice but to smoke again. That's scares the heck out of me!
 

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Lets keep it civil and inclusive. Not helpful if you're alienating some of the people that would otherwise participate but may not share some of your views.

Sorry Cardiwen, I guess I was a bit off topic there, but I was trying to say the issue is not Obama. The issue we face is the FDA, and it really doesn't matter which party is in power. I certainly am not trying to run others off the thread. DawnBella, lets just agree to disagree about BHO. I did not mean to offend you and if I did I am sorry, he's not that big of a deal to me. The big deal to me is vaping. I love it, it keeps me from smoking, just like you. The issue with the FDA is we just don't know what regulations they will deem until they are released.

In my opinion, the best way we can defend our right to vape is through CASAA. Kristin has done a great job keeping that organization ready to act as soon as a problem arises. They meet every two weeks on Sunday from 7:30 to 9:00. The meetings are open to anyone who joins and there is a link right here on ECF to do so. Check out their next meeting. There is a lot of information in there and it will keep you up to speed on the issue. Support CASAA, attend meetings, donate if you feel they are doing a good job. They have been fighting the good fight for us for years now, all we need to do is support them. This is the best way to maximize the resources in the defense of our right to vape.
 

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Sorry Cardiwen, I guess I was a bit off topic there, but I was trying to say the issue is not Obama. The issue we face is the FDA, and it really doesn't matter which party is in power. I certainly am not trying to run others off the thread. DawnBella, lets just agree to disagree about BHO. I did not mean to offend you and if I did I am sorry...

Thank you, EddardinWinter!! My apologies as well for being a hot-headed Obama girl LOL
 

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I may be biting off a bit more than I can chew being a new member and all, but I didn't read any post that was bashing anyone in particular. But denying that our all mighty government would over step their bounds, regardless of party affiliation, is pretty naive. I have seen every administration since I have been around make obvious power grabs. Why wouldn't a government official not want to expand the government's reach? I used to be pretty far to one side, but now I can't stand either. We are facing some very powerful lobbyist groups that would be hard to defeat, big tobacco, pharmaceutical, etc. They have bottomless pockets to back their position. All politicians care about is $$$ because $$$=reelection.
 

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Thank you, EddardinWinter!! My apologies as well for being a hot-headed Obama girl LOL

Thank you DawnBella, I am glad we have the common ground of vaping, and we can discuss politics on another site some time. Thanks to Cardiwen for keeping us on track and the thread open and maybe a bit more productive. I think all of us can agree that our freedom to vape should never be taken away! I really mean what I have said about CASAA. They are a bunch of good folks trying to protect us. Check them out. If we are organized as a community, we can get a lot more done.
 
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