Are those who claim that vaping is safer than smoking liars?

[LDS714]

Still waiting on the OP's list of liquids containing diacetyl.

And FWIW, I've found most people who jump to an immediate conclusion that someone is lying is generally not a stranger to the concept, if you know what I mean....

 

[patkin]

Precisely.
Somebody here lost no time. No time at all.

I had the same thought. In a way, I admire the patience of those who do, oh maybe, 150 posts before they get started.

 

[acka]

I had the same thought. In a way, I admire the patience of those who do, oh maybe, 150 posts before they get started.

Christ almighty. Yet I'm the paranoid one.

Cigarettes are the DEVIL. I used vaping to quit them. Thank you vaping. Now I'm looking to quit vaping, currently using flavourless nic at 12mg and will try to get to 0mg then 0ml. Personal choice. Your arguments aren't exactly dissuading me let me say.

 

[p.opus]

I've said my piece.

I've actually fed the



too much already.

Peace out. I'm gonna vape my insideously unsafe ProVari with my equally volatile sour apple....

 

[OMYOCD]

I don't really care too much. It's more enjoyable than smoking.

 

[FourWinds]

The UK government say it's at least 1000 times safer than smoking, and that's good enough for me until some research comes that says it's not.

I think the op is in danger of being influenced by the scientific liars. If you look at this you will see that scientists, who know vaping is better than smoking, are carrying out research in order to find the most effective way of frightening people into not trying vaping instead! It's prejudice gone mad; if it looks like smoking we must ban it:

An astonishing statement made by public health scientists: young adults (smokers) should be deterred from trying e-cigarettes (and therefore maintain their smoking habit?

 

[acka]

Is vaping safer than smoking? I believe so.

But you've gone from 'absolutely' to belief, and belief unfortunately, perhaps just due to vaping's infancy, is the best anyone can truly have. Whether that's based on their own everyday experience or the scant testing that's been done so far.

I probably believe so too tbh. But I don't know and sometimes, especially when coming accross 'Popcorn Lung' etc. I get worried enough to feel that belief isn't enough for me personally and so I'll change my own behaviour accordingly. I don't expect anyone else to follow me, but I don't like opinions and beliefs being presented as fact either and that happens far too much in my opinion in, the otherwise highly knowledgeable, vaping community.

I'll leave it there.

 

[rbeckys8]

I enjoy vaping and I'm at 3mg..my blood pressure is VERY good..I will stop vaping but I'm not afraid of vaping...I just don't like having a habit (but I did smoke for 44 years).go figure!

 

[k702]

Questions to ask yourself.

If you really are that worried about what you're doing to/putting in your body then why were you smoking cigarettes before you started vaping?

If you weren't smoking before you started vaping then why the hell are you vaping?

What truly is safe?

Look around yourself right now.. You'll probably see at least 100 items in your reach that were manufactured without any test. We are the Guinea pigs for the microwave oven industry, but you don't really see people going insane over that.

to each his(or her) own
buyer beware
so on; so forth

 

[Sucker_dad]

This is trolling at it's finest.

 

[Steamix]

If you want absolutes - like say - absolutely safe life with a warranty sticker on it - then don't get born.

Since you didin't have a say on that one, you're in it for better or for worse, just like the other 7 billion folks on this planet.

Human bodies for instance weren't designed to withstand impacts beyond a certain limit without serious damage. Didn't stop us from inventing automobiles, climbing into them and mashing our meatsacks by the thousands while driving. We are still doing that. Didn't stop us to buy or drive them too. Much less of banning them.

What we did though, is make them safer. Not absolutely safe, but safer. Like seat bealts, airbags, anti blocking systems, what have you...

Same here. If you read the fine print, those in the know do not claim that vaping is healthy, just that it is less unhealthy than smoking.
And you might have notice that vendors who are making health claims are viewed with suspicions at best and outright contempt at worst.

Short term benefits are obvious, just read the posts. Long term research - well cigs been around for several decades, vaping is the new kid on the block and still has to prove itself in the long run. And like the overwhelming majority here, I'm pretty fed up with all them half-truths, outright lies, skewed research, flawed 'studies' and all the other utterances where it's so pathetically transparent that 'science' is up for grabs by the highest bidder.

And like the overwhelming majority here, I'd more than welcome unbiased long-term studies.

 

[acka]

Questions to ask yourself.

If you really are that worried about what you're doing to/putting in your body then why were you smoking cigarettes before you started vaping?

Weakness, stupidity, addiction. All things I'm trying to avoid now. Like the great man says "Resolve is never stronger than the morning after the night it was never weaker."

What truly is safe?

Not vaping. That doesn't follow that vaping is therefore unsafe, it's others on this thread that leap to these mistaken conclusions.

And just because you disagree with me, it doesn't make me a troll. There's a big world out there, I'm fairly sure will can all exist reasonably peacefully in it.

 

[Dlo604]

Doctors recommend e-cigarettes

I will take the experts opinions rather than someone who rather be a pessimist towards something that is working for millions.

“But it’s the smoke that kills you - not the nicotine - so for smokers who are heavily addicted switching to safer sources of nicotine could literally be a lifesaver.” - Deborah Arnott, Chief Executive of UK health charity Action on Smoking and Health.

 

[p.opus]

Weakness, stupidity, addiction. All things I'm trying to avoid now. Like the great man says "Resolve is never stronger than the morning after the night it was never weaker."



Not vaping. That doesn't follow that vaping is therefore unsafe, it's others on this thread that leap to these mistaken conclusions.

And just because you disagree with me, it doesn't make me a troll. There's a big world out there, I'm fairly sure will can all exist reasonably peacefully in it.

When I threw up the Troll sign, it was directed to the OP who basically started out with this question:

Are those who claim that vaping is safer than smoking liars? and then answered to the affirmative.

The conversation somehow got side railed into a is Vaping safe argument.

How you choose to vape is entirely up to you. I too am down to 0mg because I no longer want to be addicted to anything and vaping has helped me achieve that. I am weaning down to 0mg so that I am free of any physical addiction to any substance.

Will I continue to vape 0mg for pleasure? Probably, but that is my own personal risk assessment.

If you can vape pure PG with purified water, te salud.

Do I think you are overreacting a bit? Maybe, but hey that's just my own opinion.

But you haven't come in here calling people liars. Maybe you are over cautious. Maybe not. Time will tell.

 

[rolygate]

It's hard to come to any conclusion other than vaping is around 1,000 times safer than smoking cigarettes, on average. That is to say, if 100,000 were to die from smoking in a certain place in a certain year, then if all were vapers instead and had been for 30 years, then 100 would die instead. Such comparisons are futile, of course.

On the other hand, because vaping is so easily customisable, then there is nothing to stop the individual making it as little as 100 times safer than smoking, or as great as 10,000 times safer than smoking (add or remove a zero from the annual death toll). To make it less safe you could try:
- Consuming a lot of creamy or coloured or complex flavours
- Upping the hardware power
- Buying the cheapest refills possible
- Buying from vendors who never publish test analyses of their liquids

To make it safer, you could try:
- Using unflavored or minimal-flavor refills, with known-safe flavours such as menthol
- Vaping below 12 watts
- Buying expensive materials from businesses who have a lot to lose from a scandal
- Buying from vendors who appear to have realised that labs can do tests on liquids

All points are pure conjecture and just for the fun of feeding the troll.

 

[Fisheeboy]

I've come across several similar threads started by similar beginning posts. I don't appreciate the original posts in these threads but I do get satisfaction from reading the response posts. I find it odd that there are people starting threads like these. I'm suspicious of someone's motives behind threads like these.
I think these threads are started for no other reason than to see how they will be responded to. And that is why I don't make it a habit to respond to them. I don't trust these antagonistic thinkers and fire starters. I don't like being used and that is exactly what it feels like these types of threads are doing in my opinion.

 

[drglock]

Yes. Yes it is. but then again it's about numbers. How much diacetyl is in a 30ml bottle of e-liquid compared to how much is in a bag of microwave popcorn, or at a Microwave popcorn manufacturing plant.

I don't typically vape "buttery or creamy" vape liquids, and I do buy liquids that are diacetyl free. But even if my e-juices did contain trace amounts diacetyl in them, do they contain enough diacetyl to be harmful?

Diacetyl is something to be investigated to be sure.

Without any exposure rates and concentrations then you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Here's an article that may be enlightening to you, but it basically says the same thing.

Diacetyl- Risks, Prevalence, and Precautions

Vaping trace amounts of Diacetyl found in e-liquid is nothing like inhaling the stuff working in a butter popcorn factory all day long.

You're alarmist posts reminds me of the type of drivel when people just off the cuff say that nicotine is one of the most poisonous substances on earth and then making a connection to vaping without taking the time to actually see how much nicotine is contained in e-liquid and how much is actually inhaled by the vaper.

Before you just rock off the cuff with your statement, I again ask for you to do your research. Then once you have educated yourself, come back here and provide some thoughtful analysis instead of fear mongering.

Great article, thanx! My only juice source, MBV is free of the stuff, sooooooooooooo

Vape on!

 

[Mike Prettyman]

I haven't been vaping for a great period of time, but I can already see improvement in climbing stairs, etc.

I have to say that just getting rid of tar and carbon monoxide HAS to be an exponential gain. I'm just going by logic here, not black and white.

Best of luck to all of us. . .

Mike P.

 

[emus]

The tar deletion is most likely a good thing for your lung health.
I'd bet the farm on it.

 

[MorpheusPA]

Is vaping safer than smoking ?.
Yes..
Example:
Fall asleep in bed...With a cigarette in your mouth ..Its very dangerous ..many people have died from doing this.
Now..
Fall asleep in bed with a Provari....
You may wake up feeling uncomfortable...but it wont light your house on fire

I once woke up with the imprint of my Volt X2 on my thigh. I slept on it for about six hours.

My excuse is that I was sick at the time and doubtless feverish.

However, there was no fire, flame, nor dead me.