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My formal diagnosis is paranoid schizophrenia with depression (in remission).
I know how to be sad and how difficult it is to think with my head up my .....
I do genuinely wonder why people give into the impulse to breed. What's that for?
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I might remove the nun, I don't want to be seen to disrespect people with faith.
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Nah - keep the Syster!
Can't answer the other question. Mixture of bravado, curiosity, doubtless ego too, and broodiness. Complicated.
Mind you I didn't feel the urge to have kids till I was 39. Too busy with other things. Too poor as well!
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I doubt anyone would actually be offended by the nun's outfit and if they are, they would probably be offended by a hell of a lot more than that on these forums. Having a user mimic God to play childish and primitive head games would be one of them.
I think the impulse to procreate is nothing more than an evolutionary mechanism in the form of instinct used to promote survival of the species. As a parent, even though I am aware my own instincts and chemistry are manipulating me, the rewards of giving into the impulse make all the stress, frustration and cost worthwhile. In other words, the children quickly become the centre of your entire life
I'd really like to have the time to read this whole tread but I have to go outside now and ride my unicorn.
It doesn't really pay to think too much about why we or anything else exists, our minds just aren't capable of making any real sense of it.....that's why so many people end up willing to settle on a mysterious God with a mysterious purpose. It sort of makes them feel as if they have the answer and feel much more contented. It's the 'easy' way to explain something that's far far far beyond our understanding.
Thats a large part of it Pete... its called "the gap" argument. What they dont know, or cant explain... they fill in the gap with a mysterious god.
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Kate, I love your posts--your questions, your answers, your insights, your sensibility, and your humility. That said, I cringe a bit at the word "breeding." But anyway, here's something you might enjoy reading about having kids:
rabbit blog
She's a wonderful writer.
I know having kids doesn't make any sense. I had one anyway, and I'm glad I did. My kid feels the same way, so far, though already (at 13), he sees a lot of life's problems.
And that said, having kids is definitely not for everybody. (Actually, it wasn't particularly my mother's thing.)
rabbit blog
She's a wonderful writer.
I know having kids doesn't make any sense. I had one anyway, and I'm glad I did. My kid feels the same way, so far, though already (at 13), he sees a lot of life's problems.
And that said, having kids is definitely not for everybody. (Actually, it wasn't particularly my mother's thing.)
I don't disagree- I just wonder how long it will take to undo eons of learned behaviors and replace mores built on religion with mores built on visible reasons.
Thanks very much Treece, I'll have a look at that link
Sorry about the 'breeding' thing, no offence intended, I'll try to be more careful (it's possibly a gay habit I've become used to).
What got me thinking about choosing to have kids was the suggestion that we are deliberately created by a supernatural being for our own good. If you knew in advance that you would be creating a life that would experience unbearable suffering then what sort of person would you be to choose that for them?
That isn't the case with humans choosing to have children because we don't have the power to predict quality of life but I guess I'm curious about the decision anyway because I've never had the urge myself.
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I guess the development of reason and higher consciousness based on reality is part of our evolutionary progress Tallgirl. We must have learned valuable lessons from religion and superstition, there's no need to forget those things, just to move on and develop more fully.
Sorry about the 'breeding' thing, no offence intended, I'll try to be more careful (it's possibly a gay habit I've become used to).
What got me thinking about choosing to have kids was the suggestion that we are deliberately created by a supernatural being for our own good. If you knew in advance that you would be creating a life that would experience unbearable suffering then what sort of person would you be to choose that for them?
That isn't the case with humans choosing to have children because we don't have the power to predict quality of life but I guess I'm curious about the decision anyway because I've never had the urge myself.
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I guess the development of reason and higher consciousness based on reality is part of our evolutionary progress Tallgirl. We must have learned valuable lessons from religion and superstition, there's no need to forget those things, just to move on and develop more fully.
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That brought tears to my eyes, Kate. My son is 28 and has been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia with severe anxiety disorder.
It started about 5 years ago when he told us Jesus was talking to him and telling him to jump off cliffs. This was after we found him jumping off the rocks on our hill. His face and arms and legs were lacerated and bleeding and he insisted he had to keep jumping off the cliff because Jesus told him to. He had been acting odd before that, but my husband and I didn't have a clue.
The last 5 years has been off and on hell for my son and my husband and I. When the doctor told us gravely disabled and most likely permanent, I just wanted to die. This was my son, the high school athlete who received a track scholarship to go to college, the most lovable kind-hearted person you would ever want to know. His sense of humor was funny and insightful. Why would this happen to him?
I was grieving for the son I lost and trying to adjust for the son I had. My son has gone through absolute torture with his spirits and demons. I can only listen and help him the best I can.
He has to rock 24/7 and chain smoke to keep the anxiety at bay. He's very much home bound because he has to be in his rocking chair. He's on a new medication that appears to at least help him cope and it's slowly bringing him back to us.
I bought e-cigs for him and me about 2-1/2 months ago and we both have been smoke-free since. I make sure his e-cig is working properly, he's stocked up on working parts, and he has the liquid he likes. I realize how fortunate we both are that these e-cigs are working for us. His color is now pink and not ashen or dusky. He no longer hacks and coughs everyday. I no longer cough or have shortness of breath. So it's been good for us all around. My husband doesn't mind the money I spend for myself and my son and supports us 100%.
My son at times looks at me and tells me that he's just waiting to die. He's had enough suffering. So your point is well taken.
Some college kids took Pavlov's "salivating dog" experiment to the next level some years ago. If I remember correctly learning a behavior happened in a short amount of time and unlearning the behavior took more than twice as long. They put these dogs in a large cell with a short fence down the middle and an electrified floor. They dinged the bell, electrified the side they were on and left the other neutral. They learned pretty quick by jumping around where the safe side was. Next they charged that floor after dinging the bell and it took them a lot longer to learn the other side was safe. (They did each side long enough to establish the learned behavior) The interesting part came next. They dinged the bell and just electrified the floor at random. The dogs just laid down where they were (hot or not). And no I can't site the study or provide a link. It's just more information I filed away in my head years ago. You could probably google it under Pavlov experiments or something. Good night.
Mamu, my heart goes out to you. I'm sure you're aware of then need for more funding in the areas of Mental Health and with this financial mess the world is in that is one area that seems to be so shortchanged. Discoveries are being made daily and hope is something we can all cling to. I would encourage you to not let the system grind you down regarding services for your son. Never, never quit.
Thank you. My husband and I know we will be taking care of him for the rest of our lives. But actually, the state services are ok and I have no complaints. He gets a monthly SSI check, not enough so that he can support himself. He has all his medical doctor/medications paid for by the state. He has a psychologist for bi-monthly visits and a psychiatrist (who essentially is just a pill-pusher in my book because he never discusses or won't discuss with my son anything other than how are the drugs doing).
The only thing that worries us is what would happen to him if we should go before him? We've tried to cover that in our will, but we still worry who would take care of him.
The only thing that worries us is what would happen to him if we should go before him? We've tried to cover that in our will, but we still worry who would take care of him.
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