What's the source on this? I'm not up to date on Mr. Godshall's posting habits, but why didn't he post this himself?
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What's the source on this? I'm not up to date on Mr. Godshall's posting habits, but why didn't he post this himself?
A comprimise, are you kidding me. There is NOt going to be a comprimise on a unapproved "drug delivery" device. No way. If this is a legit letter it will be a ban. Gone and no looking back untill phillip morris intros one.
Mabe 5:05 Pm est on a Friday? Already sitting back having a few beers vaping on a 901 ??? Good question.
Yeah, sorry Kaston, as Vicks already clarified, Bill G. posted the FDA email previously, and I was thinking about that when I replied. But I also agree with Vicks that I have no suspicions whatsoever regarding Krakkan's posting of this follow up article about that email. If my memory serves me, he is also the creator of the petition that Bill G. is also now helping to circulate.
Is there any chance that the FDA really isn't so bad? Bear with me on this one...
So far, I think the FDA's response has been targeted and measured. Unlike the emotional responses from Lautenburg, ACS, ect. and maybe they really aren't out to ban, just take it on a case by case basis like they originally stated.
Wouldn't it suck if they've been giving suppliers a chance to sell them as novelty products, and we're jumping on the "regulate them like tobacco" bandwagon?
- Mr. Godshall wants e-cigs to be a special type of regulated tobacco product(not as heavily regulated, but still part of a very wordy bill).
- SE wants e-cigs to be a tobacco product.
- So far officially, the FDA has only seized products that are irresponsibly sold and carry (false/unproven) health claims.
So far, I think the FDA's response has been targeted and measured. Unlike the emotional responses from Lautenburg, ACS, ect. and maybe they really aren't out to ban, just take it on a case by case basis like they originally stated.
Wouldn't it suck if they've been giving suppliers a chance to sell them as novelty products, and we're jumping on the "regulate them like tobacco" bandwagon?
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You've just said what I've been thinking.
I still don't have a clue of what the benefits of being seen as a tobacco product are. All I hear are people saying it's bad to be a drug but maybe vaping isn't either.
The more I hear campaign rhetoric about tobacco the more I wonder if there are interests involved that we don't know about. Would it benefit the smokeless tobacco industry to have us in their camp?
I also don't like the health claims that are made by some experts, advocates and traders involved with the tobacco product campaign. They are dragging us down into an argument we can't prove.
I still don't have a clue of what the benefits of being seen as a tobacco product are. All I hear are people saying it's bad to be a drug but maybe vaping isn't either.
The more I hear campaign rhetoric about tobacco the more I wonder if there are interests involved that we don't know about. Would it benefit the smokeless tobacco industry to have us in their camp?
I also don't like the health claims that are made by some experts, advocates and traders involved with the tobacco product campaign. They are dragging us down into an argument we can't prove.
Hehehehe. yes it would suck but they won't be able to justify or single out a select few. Im looking at a Njoy Npro box right now. Makes no claims on that package about "health" AND it has Njoy is not a smoking cessation device with all the other mumbo jumbo warnings. The FDA's concerns are with non smokers and or kids getting a hold of the products and either start smoking again or just start. This is what I'm reading that is their concern.
Nah I am no where near a fear monger I get Google News updates on E-cigs like any of you here can as well. I just post news as I read it to help grow the forums. I just want to know what is going on cause like you guys I use the products too but I loved them so much I decided to sell them as well.
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JD Henry
You bring up a valid point I havn't seen on the subject before.
I disagree. The FDA has reportedly seized NJoy's shipments as well. As much as I don't care for that company, they have not made the same kind of health claims and smoking cessation claims that SE has been guilty of. Heck, even Puresmoker's shipment from a month ago has been stopped.
I was extremely hopeful a while back that the FDA would proceed on that "case by case" basis mentioned in their earlier communications and emails, but then was distressed to see later communications from them that certainly did indicate they had hardenend their stance, and were regarding all ecigs as so-called "new drug devices". I see their most recent actions as not targeted in any sense but the pragmatic one of simply hitting the biggest suppliers and shipments first.
And while I would prefer just as much as any of you that ecigs could carve out their own category in terms of US law, it is just plain reality that their survival at all in the US market depends on them not being considered a "new drug" requiring FDA approval. And the best and probably only chance to avoid that is to recognize and accept the truth that the nicotine liquids we are using are in fact derived from tobacco.
Why it is said that is not the truth is a complete mystery to me. Of course without the nicotine liquid ecigs are something else. But since the majority of us do use nicotine liquid, and that liquid is the selling factor for virtually all new users wanting ecigs as an alternative to cigarettes, they are, in fact, tobacco harm reduction devices.
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"... nicotine liquids we are using are in fact derived from tobacco. " Doesn't have to be, we could go Irish and get it from spuds if we had to. 'Derived from' doesn't mean 'is' either.
Nicotine is not tobacco. 'Tobacco harm reduction devices' isn't the same as 'tobacco product'.
Ruyan are saying that their nicotine is ineffective as a drug and they don't sell tobacco products. They might have an alternative in mind, I'd be surprised if they didn't have a strategy.
Nicotine is not tobacco. 'Tobacco harm reduction devices' isn't the same as 'tobacco product'.
Ruyan are saying that their nicotine is ineffective as a drug and they don't sell tobacco products. They might have an alternative in mind, I'd be surprised if they didn't have a strategy.
NJoy is the exception that I'm most curious about. From the looks of their website, they do look to be following most of the rules. I haven't seen their packaging up close, or their manual, but I'm sure they don't make claims there. Could they be on hold due to lack of child proofing?
I'm sure you are right, but there's just a small nagging that we're doing it wrong and picking the wrong teams. As for Puresmoker...from what I've seen, they didn't have custom packaging and were just reselling things with "Health" all over the package.
This originally showed up on this forum yesterday -
Now is the Time To Act! I am Serious! **updated**
Post #273.
I was hoping to get one more big order in before they closed up the borders to it, but if it goes thru on tue what I have is what i have and I prob won't even get what is on order. Now what I hate the taste of reg cigs now and I'm not ready to quit yet. I wish it wasn't about big money and is about the real ppl who would like to quit but can't yet and this is a way not to kill yourself as quickly every puff you take.
Now what? Take care of your attys, invest in a battery mod, and start mixing your own no-nic liquids.....
There is compelling information that claims the nicotine is NOT the uber-addictive substance we think it is - how many people have weened themselves off the nic on our PV's? It's the habit - the inhale, the having something to do with your hands and fingers....that's what I'm addicted to..... so I'll nurse my attys, use my SD, and start mixing....I refuse to allow the big corporations (BT, BP) to force me back to their overpriced and deadly products by throwing their money around the hill! I won't give them more of my money to do so!
I said it before in this thread, but it bears repeating.......DON'T GIVE UP!!!! Give the process time to work. I can't see Bill Godhall and the ECA just walking away from this....from all of us.
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I have a revelle Inlife elite e-cig and in the manual this is what is says that the nicotine cartridge is pure nicotine dilutant (which is extracted from non-tobacco plant sources.) and I read somewhere else about them calling it a synthetic nicotine. So maybe Ruyans is the same.
Has anyone seen this yet?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/puresmoker/15068-usa-manufactured-ecig-cash-friends.html
I think Steve is planning on marketing a "novelty item".
And all made in the USA. We may have to vape flavored PG and slap on a patch for nicotine, though. He's already said they will not be importing any more liquid (or anything else, probably) from China.
TT33
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/puresmoker/15068-usa-manufactured-ecig-cash-friends.html
I think Steve is planning on marketing a "novelty item".
And all made in the USA. We may have to vape flavored PG and slap on a patch for nicotine, though. He's already said they will not be importing any more liquid (or anything else, probably) from China.
TT33
Psh.... I just went the extra mile on my new ecig. It's a bit bulky, needs large batteries, and a HELLOVA lotta juice, but man, no one can beat the vape-action on this bad boy.
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