So found this in a local news site. Don't know what to make of it. Any opinions? E-cigarettes may not significantly cut heart disease risk - The Economic Times
Article in newspaper: E-cigarettes may not significantly cut heart disease risk
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MAY not? If this article is correct, then the patches and the gum (any NRT therapy with nicotine) MAY not significantly cut heart disease risk either. And yet they are put in a much shinier light.
At least I can breath better, smell better and taste better. The carcinogens aren't putting me at risk. I like to look on the bright side of things
At least I can breath better, smell better and taste better. The carcinogens aren't putting me at risk. I like to look on the bright side of things
This is the Downside of e-Cigarettes that Isn't discussed much here.
That putting Nicotine into the Body can have Adverse Effects.
I believe that e-Cigarettes are Much Healthier than Smoking. And that there is Significant Harm Reduction. But it is still Harm Reduction and Not Harm Elimination.
That putting Nicotine into the Body can have Adverse Effects.
I believe that e-Cigarettes are Much Healthier than Smoking. And that there is Significant Harm Reduction. But it is still Harm Reduction and Not Harm Elimination.
If this is true, then why did the FDA change it's position on nicotine patches, gum, inhaler's, etc and state that using them indefinitely is fine?
True, true. The jury is still out on the long term effects of e-cigs. I guess you could say we are the beta testers of a new industry.
Yes... In a way we Are the Beta Testers for a New Product. LOL
But one thing that Isn't new is Research on Nicotine and how it Effects the Body. It has been going on for a Long Time. A Long Time.
BTW - Haven't seen you around much. Good to see you again.
The other side of is that compared to smoking vaping may bring significant benefits to preventing heart disease.
Other studies have shown that it is the combination of nicotine and elevated levels of carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide that cause heart disease in people.
Other studies have shown that it is the combination of nicotine and elevated levels of carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide that cause heart disease in people.
Why would we Assume that a Change in FDA Policy was done Solely Based on Health and or Scientific Reasons?
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Total BS...
The tests conducted used CSE. NOT pure nicotine.
What is CSE? LOL Cigarette SMOKE extract.
"PPCSE was prepared with modification of previously described method [20,21]. In brief, 10 cigarettes (Long Life™, Taiwan Tobacco and Liquor Production, Taipei, Taiwan; 0.9 mg nicotine/cigarette) were combusted and the smoke was sucked through a standard glass-fiber enabled Cambridge filter with a constant flow of 0.3 liters/min with an air compressor and this filter has been reported to trap > 99% of the smoke particulate matter [20]. The smoke filter was quickly dried with a hot plate and the raised weight in each filter was defined as the amount of PPCSE. On average, each cigarette smoke generated ~39.5 mg of PPCSE using this method. The PPCSE was dissolved by soaking the filter in DMSO for 30 min at room temperature. The solution containing PPCSE was centrifuged and the supernatant was collected and filtered using a 0.22-μm filter column (Millipore, Bedford, MA). The PPCSE stock solution (20 mg/ml of PPCSE containing 0.36 mg/ml of nicotine) was divided into microtubes (each 15 μl) and stored immediately at -80°C. Before each experiment, the frozen PPCSE stock solution was defrosted and further diluted to the desired concentration with cell medium. The quality of the PPCSE solution was assessed based on the absorbance at 302 nm, which is the specific absorption spectrum of peroxynitrite. Therefore, the concentration of DMSO in the testing solution was always < 1% to prevent possible cytotoxicity or other effects."
Horrible reporting, indeed!!
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Total BS...
The tests conducted used CSE. NOT pure nicotine.
What is CSE? LOL Cigarette SMOKE extract.
"PPCSE was prepared with modification of previously described method [20,21]. In brief, 10 cigarettes (Long Life™, Taiwan Tobacco and Liquor Production, Taipei, Taiwan; 0.9 mg nicotine/cigarette) were combusted and the smoke was sucked through a standard glass-fiber enabled Cambridge filter with a constant flow of 0.3 liters/min with an air compressor and this filter has been reported to trap > 99% of the smoke particulate matter [20]. The smoke filter was quickly dried with a hot plate and the raised weight in each filter was defined as the amount of PPCSE. On average, each cigarette smoke generated ~39.5 mg of PPCSE using this method. The PPCSE was dissolved by soaking the filter in DMSO for 30 min at room temperature. The solution containing PPCSE was centrifuged and the supernatant was collected and filtered using a 0.22-μm filter column (Millipore, Bedford, MA). The PPCSE stock solution (20 mg/ml of PPCSE containing 0.36 mg/ml of nicotine) was divided into microtubes (each 15 μl) and stored immediately at -80°C. Before each experiment, the frozen PPCSE stock solution was defrosted and further diluted to the desired concentration with cell medium. The quality of the PPCSE solution was assessed based on the absorbance at 302 nm, which is the specific absorption spectrum of peroxynitrite. Therefore, the concentration of DMSO in the testing solution was always < 1% to prevent possible cytotoxicity or other effects."
Horrible reporting, indeed!!
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Absolutely.
If there are 10 Things that are Hazardous about doing something and a Person Reduces or Eliminates 8 of them, they are moving in the Right Direction.
In a Best Case, a person would Eliminate ALL 10, but I guess if we All did that, we would be here on the ECF posting.
True again. No matter which way you cut the pie nicotine is nicotine regardless of the form of ingesting.
I visit daily, but reply as time permits. Some days it's quicker just lurking.
I can' agree with that. There is a huge difference between ingesting pure nicotine and nicotine ingested with other chemicals. As i have said previously smoking has been shown to produce heart disease in combination with carbon monoxide and carbon monoxide. This isn't speculation the research has been done and pathways are well understood with smoking. It still has not been shown that nicotine when ingested in it's pure form contributes to heart disease.
If I am wrong I would like to hear about it. My info could be out of date.
Yeah, total BS. According to this analysis, they did not replicate the same material vapers inhale. They isolated filtered-cigarette smoke. Throw the experiment out unless you're wishing to analyze smokers rather than vapers.
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The article in the Economic Times seems to have left out what Carl Phillips, scientific director for the Consumer Advocates for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association (CASAA), and Elaine Keller, president of the CASAA had to say.
Here is a article I read yesterday.
A New Warning About E-Cigarettes and Heart Attack Risk | Yahoo Health
Here is a article I read yesterday.
A New Warning About E-Cigarettes and Heart Attack Risk | Yahoo Health
Because there is Money Involved.
Big Money.
That and I am Not Idealistic or Overly Emotional when it comes to something like e-Cigarettes.
Here are a few studies that counter the fear mongering articles.
Evaluation of the cytotoxic potential of e-cigarette vapor on cultured cardiac cells: a new study
No adverse effects on blood and oxygen supply to the heart by electronic cigarette use
Evaluation of the cytotoxic potential of e-cigarette vapor on cultured cardiac cells: a new study
No adverse effects on blood and oxygen supply to the heart by electronic cigarette use
The FDA is a government agency with government employees. They are not a private business looking to make a "Big Money" profit. It sounds like you are insinuating with your "Big Money" comment that government employees at the FDA are taking bribes or something.
Dr. Konstantino Farsalinos has already done a study on this subject. Please refer to the CASAA website and read his studies.
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