Athiest Converts After Seeing a Demon on His Shoulder!

[Scottbee]

Heey Scottbee,

Why do you run off to the outseide forum and call our members (by name) names?

Well gee... if I were to call her/you a name in here it would get deleted.. right?

 

[capecodjim]

Psalm 19:1-6 states, “The heavens are telling of the glory of God; and their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.”

Romans 1:18-21 declares, “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.”

Romans 2:14-15 states "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another"

It is understood from the Bible that God has "written his law", the truth, on the "hearts" of men. Nature is also evidence of him. Every person, according to scripture, has at least that much exposure to God. That is why worship of a higher being has been found in every culture at one time or another. But when confronted with the truth in the world around them, do those peoples seek the true God, or a god of their own making? That is the question. Only God is in a position to judge the hearts of men. If someone is earnestly seeking God, God will reveal himself to them in one way or another so that they might be saved. As people respond to the light/information they have been given, more light/information will be provided.

On page 2 of this thread, in post #16 Imrasch provided ample Biblical evidence that those who have information of God, yet reject him, are of Satan. On page 3, post #27, I provided the analogy of marriage. You're an un-married person until such time as you give your life to someone else in a commited relationship. You can be dating, you can shack up with someone.. doesn't matter how much you like the idea of marriage, you are STILL UNmarried until such time as you commit your life to someone else.

God wants you to commit and give your life to him. Satan wants you to remain uncommitted, living your own life.

You remain UNcommitted until such time as you decide to give your life to Christ. If you accept what Christ did for you, then you are doing the will of God. If you reject Christ and continue on your own path, then you do the will of Satan, whether you intentionally "worship" him or not. Doing the will of = worship.

You may not like what has been explained, you may in fact hate what has been explained, but it has been explained.

Thanks for the informative post! I think I'm starting to understand.....

From this part: "If you reject Christ and continue on your own path, then you do the will of Satan, whether you intentionally "worship" him or not. Doing the will of = worship."

So someone like the Dalai Lama or Nelson Mandela who devote their life to peace and compassion are unintentionally doing the work of satan and therefore are satan worshipers? They've certainly heard of god and have taken their own path. Earlier in the thread someone said it only appears that they're doing good things but it's really all part of satan's plot to do more evil in disguise?

So if I go down to the store or anywhere and ask someone if they believe in and accept Jesus... I can tell by their yes or no answer whether they are satan worshipers and agents of the devil?

I had no idea about any of this!

I had a hard enough time trying to tell my son that confession wasn't a loophole! He thought he had it figured out.... If all you have to do is ask for forgiveness and you're saved..... well then you can steal candy or lie or cheat or whatever sin you may want to do.... god told us we're sinners and not perfect and makes us suffer (like the pain in childbirth example given) because of "original sin".. it's almost like he expects us to sin....and as long as you didn't die before you confessed and asked for forgiveness you were in the clear! You would would still be saved and go to heaven! He thought confession and forgiveness was a great idea!

These guys you hear about in prison on death row or whatever.... and then you hear that they're found god and have been "reborn"... they accepts Jesus and follow every word..... What happens to them? God likes them better and will accept them but not the Dalai Lama and Nelson Mandela?

This is some kind of stuff I never heard before!

 

[Scottbee]

You'll have a hard time convincing me of that since everyone has taken the time to respond to you and others of dissenting beliefs multiple times in this thread alone.

I'll have a hard time of convincing you of what exactly....?

 

[Scottbee]

This is some kind of stuff I never heard before!

I must admit that I do find it interesting that worshiping their God must be an "active" process, but worshiping Satan can be a passive process. Webster clearly needs to update their definition of "worship".

 

[blondeambition3]

Thanks for the informative post! I think I'm starting to understand.....

From this part: "If you reject Christ and continue on your own path, then you do the will of Satan, whether you intentionally "worship" him or not. Doing the will of = worship." Satan's oldest lie or 'trick' is giving people the impression they don't 'need' God because they're already Gods.. and your 'good deeds' are sufficient.

So someone like the Dalai Lama or Nelson Mandela who devote their life to peace and compassion are unintentionally doing the work of satan and therefore are satan worshipers? They've certainly heard of god and have taken their own path. Earlier in the thread someone said it only appears that they're doing good things but it's really all part of satan's plot to do more evil in disguise? Scripture clearly states, "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." - 2 Cor 11:14. All are born under the 'curse' of Sin because of Adam, only GOD can absolve Sin... Man certainly can't, no matter how many 'good deeds' he does. All is illusion and vanity without God's redemptive grace.

So if I go down to the store or anywhere and ask someone if they believe in and accept Jesus... I can tell by their yes or no answer whether they are satan worshipers and agents of the devil? No

I had no idea about any of this!

I had a hard enough time trying to tell my son that confession wasn't a loophole! He thought he had it figured out.... If all you have to do is ask for forgiveness and you're saved..... well then you can steal candy or lie or cheat or whatever sin you may want to do.... god told us we're sinners and not perfect and makes us suffer (like the pain in childbirth example given) because of "original sin".. it's almost like he expects us to sin....and as long as you didn't die before you confessed and asked for forgiveness you were in the clear! You would would still be saved and go to heaven! He thought confession and forgiveness was a great idea! Scripture clearly states: 1 Corinthians 10:13 - No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it. If you 'willfully' sin after receiving Christ, you didn't receive Him in the first place"

These guys you hear about in prison on death row or whatever.... and then you hear that they're found god and have been "reborn"... they accepts Jesus and follow every word..... What happens to them? God likes them better and will accept them but not the Dalai Lama and Nelson Mandela? 'All' who call upon the name of Jesus will be saved. God is no respecter of persons. We are all equal and there is no elevated status with God as is the case with Man.

This is some kind of stuff I never heard before!

Grace [be] with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen - Ephesians 6:24

 

[capecodjim]

I must admit that I do find it interesting that worshiping their God must be an "active" process, but worshiping Satan can be a passive process. Webster clearly needs to update their definition of "worship".

Ya, If I were god I'd have it the other way around... I'd want all those unclaimed souls for my team! Why give them away for free so satan can have a greater reach....

 

[capecodjim]

If you 'willfully' sin after receiving Christ, you didn't receive Him in the first place" - Ephesians 6:24

Wow! That's amazing!!

So by "sin" does that mean just the 10 commandments? What about little "white" lies? Driving above the speed limit? What if my son asks about .........ion? Is that a sin?

If someone sins meaning they didn't receive Christ in the first place... do they have to reapply and start the process all over again?

All' who call upon the name of Jesus will be saved. God is no respecter of persons. We are all equal and there is no elevated status with God as is the case with Man.

Wow! That does sound like a major loophole!! It must have been what the pedophile priests were counting on. I wouldn't let that happen to innocent little kids if I were god.

 

[blondeambition3]

Ya, If I were god I'd have it the other way around... I'd want all those unclaimed souls for my team! Why give them away for free so satan can have a greater reach....

I think God's far more interested in 'quality' than 'quantity'... Satan? Not so much....

 

[convict3]

capecodjim

i want to thank you for your time in this thead. because of you i have spent more time in my bible today then i have in weeks.

and i believe there are verses teaching that god was with us in the womb and we knew him. i ll look it up for you.

 

[blondeambition3]

Wow! That's amazing!!

So by "sin" does that mean just the 10 commandments? What about little "white" lies? Driving above the speed limit? What if my son asks about .........ion? Is that a sin? Yes, all that you just mentioned is Sin

If someone sins meaning they didn't receive Christ in the first place... do they have to reapply and start the process all over again? No, they only have to be sincere the first time and then no re-application is necessary or needed

All' who call upon the name of Jesus will be saved. God is no respecter of persons. We are all equal and there is no elevated status with God as is the case with Man.

Wow! That does sound like a major loophole!! It must have been what the pedophile priests were counting on. I wouldn't let that happen to innocent little kids if I were god.

That happens because Pedophile Priests are not Men of God but infiltrators of Satan 'disguised' as Men of God. Satan uses the strategies you described... if you want to destroy a person at their very core then destroy the Children by infiltrating under the 'guise' of good to do 'evil'....

 

[Jason_in_nc]

Worshipping God and worshipping satan are both active processes. You are actively accepting God, or you are actively rejecting God. The word I used was "intentionally". Every day a person rejects God, they are actively worshipping satan, they may however not be knowledgeable of that fact.

People seem to think that becoming a Christian/accepting Christ/getting saved is like starting a diet. You admit that you're fat and commit yourself to eating healthier. In that light, I understand the sarcasm and ridicule. But that is not what happens.

A person can only be saved when they see themselves as God sees them. It is the most frightening experience of your life. I encourage you other believers to confirm or deny... but the moment you realize you are a sinner without hope... the closest comparison I can give is that feeling of intense dread you feel when you realize you're going to have a car wreck. That impending dread and doom... multiply that by a million and that's what it feels like. I couldn't sleep for days while God dealt with me. I finally accepted him one night in bed because I couldn't sleep. It's no cakewalk.

But it's not based on what we DO. It's not based on our works. It's not that good people are in, and people who have made some bad decisions, or just more bad decisions than others, are screwed because they've just done too many bad things. That's not how it works.

Why do you think Jesus spent so much time with the tax collectors, thieves, harlots and the poor? These were people who KNEW they had done and were doing bad things.. making bad decisions. They were people who KNEW they couldn't find favor with God based upon their own merit. They KNEW they needed a savior. Those resting on their own percieved good laurels saw no need for a savior.

And once saved, we are changed. I am certainly not the person I used to be. I still stumble in sin, sure. And there are consequences. Salvation does not mean that our sins do not result in consequences. But it does mean that we will not remain in a state of eternal judement and seperation from God.

 

[Xanax]

Well, I was going to ask a question but I now realize that the question will just be answered with "that question has been answered many times, start on page one and read through the thread." So, I'll just refrain from asking.

 

[blondeambition3]

capecodjim

i want to thank you for your time in this thead. because of you i have spent more time in my bible today then i have in weeks.

and i believe there are verses teaching that god was with us in the womb and we knew him. i ll look it up for you.

I'll help you convict3!

New International Version (©1984)
For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.

New Living Translation (©2007)
You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother's womb.

English Standard Version (©2001)
For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
You alone created my inner being. You knitted me together inside my mother.

King James Bible
For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

and!

New International Version (©1984)
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

New Living Translation (©2007)
"I knew you before I formed you in your mother's womb. Before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations."

English Standard Version (©2001)
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Before you were born, I set you apart for my holy purpose. I appointed you to be a prophet to the nations."

King James Bible
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

 

[capecodjim]

I think God's far more interested in 'quality' than 'quantity'... Satan? Not so much....

I thought god like man... why does he have it out for us? All because of that darn Adam? Why did he listen to Eve? He should have controlled her and not listened to her.... then we could all live in paradise!... But all of mankind is doomed because some guy disobeyed eon ago... Why does god still hold a grudge after all these years?

Non believers are of inferior quality and god doesn't want them anyway so he hands them over to satan because Adam bit the apple.

So I can ask anyone if the believe and by their yes or no answer I can tell everything I need to know about them? How do you deal with all the satan worshipers who pump our gas and make our fast food and clerk at the store... or the doctor at the hospital, the judge on the bench, cop on the street... so many people... Buddhists, jews... every religion from mormans to muslims... all satan worshipers? This is worse than I thought......

 

[Jason_in_nc]

good night all.

 

[blondeambition3]

Worshipping God and worshipping satan are both active processes. You are actively accepting God, or you are actively rejecting God. The word I used was "intentionally". Every day a person rejects God, they are actively worshipping satan, they may however not be knowledgeable of that fact.

People seem to think that becoming a Christian/accepting Christ/getting saved is like starting a diet. You admit that you're fat and commit yourself to eating healthier. In that light, I understand the sarcasm and ridicule. But that is not what happens.

A person can only be saved when they see themselves as God sees them. It is the most frightening experience of your life. I encourage you other believers to confirm or deny... but the moment you realize you are a sinner without hope... the closest comparison I can give is that feeling of intense dread you feel when you realize you're going to have a car wreck. That impending dread and doom... multiply that by a million and that's what it feels like. Amen this is truth! I couldn't sleep for days while God dealt with me. I finally accepted him one night in bed because I couldn't sleep. It's no cakewalk.

But it's not based on what we DO. It's not based on our works. It's not that good people are in, and people who have made some bad decisions, or just more bad decisions than others, are screwed because they've just done too many bad things. That's not how it works.

Why do you think Jesus spent so much time with the tax collectors, thieves, harlots and the poor? These were people who KNEW they had done and were doing bad things.. making bad decisions. They were people who KNEW they couldn't find favor with God based upon their own merit. They KNEW they needed a savior. Those resting on their own percieved good laurels saw no need for a savior.

And once saved, we are changed. I am certainly not the person I used to be. I still stumble in sin, sure. And there are consequences. Salvation does not mean that our sins do not result in consequences. But it does mean that we will not remain in a state of eternal judement and seperation from God.

The Christian 'walk'... In a nutshell

 

[capecodjim]

I'll help you convict3!

New International Version (©1984)
For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.

New Living Translation (©2007)
You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother's womb.

English Standard Version (©2001)
For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
You alone created my inner being. You knitted me together inside my mother.

King James Bible
For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

and!

New International Version (©1984)
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

New Living Translation (©2007)
"I knew you before I formed you in your mother's womb. Before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations."

English Standard Version (©2001)
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Before you were born, I set you apart for my holy purpose. I appointed you to be a prophet to the nations."

King James Bible
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

If I were god I wouldn't have let abortion be invented. If I had that kind of power I wouldn't have to outlaw it, I'd just have it so people wouldn't even think of it..... I'd use the power to improve things that way.

War, starvation, crime, murder, sin, disaster.... darn that Adam! If only he hadn't taken that bite. I hope god stops blaming us for something we had nothing to do with thousands of years ago.... That's a long time to condemn all the billions of people who've lived over the millennium ..... I hope god gets over his grudge soon. He sure has one heck of a temper!

 

[blondeambition3]

I thought god like man... why does he have it out for us? He's offered a way out... all you have to do is 'accept'... it's your choice, not His. All because of that darn Adam? Why did he listen to Eve? Good question. WHY did Eve listen to the Serpent Satan? She (They) made that poor choice and bad decision, but WE don't have to.. it's NOW our choice whom we serve and where we spend eternityHe should have controlled her and not listened to her.... then we could all live in paradise!... But all of mankind is doomed because some guy disobeyed eon ago... Why does god still hold a grudge after all these years? He doesn't .. those who refuse to accept His free gift choose His wrath over His love ... I know, it doesn't make sense to me either why someone would choose death over Life when it's being offered so freely

Non believers are of inferior quality and god doesn't want them anyway so he hands them over to satan because Adam bit the apple. Non believers are just 'sinners' in need of a 'Savior' .. receive Christ, be saved and become a 'joint heir' to the very throne of God. What could be better than that?

So I can ask anyone if the believe and by their yes or no answer I can tell everything I need to know about them? How do you deal with all the satan worshipers who pump our gas and make our fast food and clerk at the store... or the doctor at the hospital, the judge on the bench, cop on the street... so many people... Buddhists, jews... every religion from mormans to muslims... all satan worshipers? This is worse than I thought......

We pray for them all.. God certainly wants to save all of them. His message of Salvation is freely given and can be freely received.

 

[convict3]

night all we'll start again in the morning

 

[blondeambition3]

If I were god I wouldn't have let abortion be invented. He didn't ... Satan did If I had that kind of power I wouldn't have to outlaw it, I'd just have it so people wouldn't even think of it..... I'd use the power to improve things that way. He sent His power (Jesus) so that 'through Him' we could have power over all things, even Life and Death.. all you have to do is 'receive' Him.

War, starvation, crime, murder, sin, disaster.... darn that Adam! Darn that Satan who started it all and is 'still' doing it by blinding people to the redeeming power of God's grace by believing on His Son JesusIf only he hadn't taken that bite. I hope god stops blaming us for something we had nothing to do with thousands of years ago.... That's a long time to condemn all the billions of people who've lived over the millennium ..... I hope god gets over his grudge soon. He sure has one heck of a temper!

He sure has one heck of a lot of love to send His only begotten Son to die on a cross to die for the Sins of the World that through Him we might all be saved. Choose THIS day whom you will serve