Atomizer without wick or steel mesh?

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If it exists, I haven't seen it... but how would you feed the coil? I would think that would lead to nothing but dry hits -- at best, the coil would only be coated for the initial 'flash' of heat when you fire the PV, and the coil is likely not deep enough in the ceramic to stay 'swimming' in juice after dripping. Just not sure how this would even function.
 
i understand the issues with wicking, but am still looking for this...

i know that the rebuildable atomizers are pretty much what i am describing, but most of all i have seen have too much room in between where the coils sits and the bottom of the unit.

a rebuildable atomizer that has a coil as close the the bottom as possible would probably also suit my needs. all the ones i have seen have a significant gap
 

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i understand the issues with wicking, but am still looking for this...

i know that the rebuildable atomizers are pretty much what i am describing, but most of all i have seen have too much room in between where the coils sits and the bottom of the unit.

a rebuildable atomizer that has a coil as close the the bottom as possible would probably also suit my needs. all the ones i have seen have a significant gap



The wick (SS)in my Phoe rda touches the bottom. Is that what you mean? I'm curious what you are trying to do. Share,please.
 

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He didn't want a de-bridged atty, he wanted a de-wicked atty.

OP,

So you say you understand the issues with de-wicking an atty, does this mean you have tried it before? Because I have de-wicked a few attys, and it just doesn't work. Unless you have some sort of nozzle that's constantly spraying juice onto the coil, you will get extremely hot, thin, burnt vapor.

If the coil is completely submerged in juice, it won't vaporize properly. It will just heat the pool of juice up, possibly causing the pool of juice to explode into your mouth, burning your lips and tongue (this actually happened to me) or it will just produce almost zero vapor and just do nothing but gurgle.

If the coil is not submerged in juice, the instant you fire it up, nearly all of the juice will vaporize, taste burnt, and very hot, and have little vapor.

If it's half submerged, half not, the submerged half will do nothing, and the un-submerged half will burn and give you awful vapor.

That's my experience, I was not able to ever get a single hit that wasn't totally disgusting regardless of how much juice was in the atty. These were just regular 510 attys with the ceramic cup. You need a wick, without one it just wont work, unless you use some sort of continuous spray of juice directly on the coil.

If you don't believe me, and still want a wick-less atty, you won't be able to buy one because nobody makes them, as it would be silly to specifically design a product to not function at all. You'll have to remove the wick from a normal att, which actually isn't terribly difficult.

Screw the atty into something to get a good hold on the connector. You could use pliers, but this would likely damage the threads. I always use an old broken eGo battery when I'm removing tubes from connectors, be it attys or cartos. With the atty screwed down, apply pressure on the tube section in a side-to-side manner. You should be able to slowly pull the tube off of the base/connector.

Now you are left with the 510 connection, and the ceramic cup wrapped in nickle-foam, supported by two wires. After you remove the nickle foam, and bridge (if it had one) you should be able to easily slide the ceramic cup down the wires, which will leave the coil exposed at the end of the wires.

Now you can carefully pull the wick out sideways. Doing this while dry burning makes it easier, as there's no gunk to stick the wick to the coil, and the coil should be a little more pliable when it's hot. Once the wick is removed, you can slide the ceramic cup back up over the coil, re-wrap the cup with the nickle foam , and then press the tube back onto the base.

I generally remove a tiny bit of nickle foam so that I can slide the cup back into the tube a lot easier. You should now have a fully de-wicked atty that will give you months of thin, hot, nasty burnt vapor! ;)
 

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hey ya'll

been a while since i have been on here

wondering if anyone makes a 510 atomizer without a wick or that steel mesh stuff

basically i want it to have a coil and ceramic cup only

does this exist?

I used to that with my 306 dripping attys. first thing I'd do is remove the bridge ans pull out the wick.
The steel mesh... I left it alone. It's what holds the ceramic cup in place.

If you can find a way to stabilize the cup, it should be fairly easy to pull it apart and remove the mesh.
 

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I used to that with my 306 dripping attys. first thing I'd do is remove the bridge ans pull out the wick.
The steel mesh... I left it alone. It's what holds the ceramic cup in place.

If you can find a way to stabilize the cup, it should be fairly easy to pull it apart and remove the mesh.

So you totally removed the wick, there is absolutely nothing in there but a cup with a coil inside? And the mesh that surrounds the cup obviously. Did this perform decent? How much juice could it hold at one time? How many vapes can you get before you have to re-drip?

I'm very curious about this. The reason I tried de-wicking my attys in the first place is because I am sensitive to silica wick or something. I can taste it, just like other people claim to taste carto filler. I can't taste carto filler, but every single device with a silica wick I can taste something "off" about them.

But absolutely nothing I tried gave me even a halfway decent vape. Every single puff was just dreadful. Mine were 510s, is there something different internally on the 306 that would be more conducive to working properly when wickless?

I just don't understand how to get around the problem of juice retention. How is the coil hanging onto enough juice so that it can vape properly? Because the amount of juice that can "cling" to a coil via surface tension boils away in a split second, and putting more juice than that results in a big blob of juice that doesn't even vaporize.

Sorry for the threadjack, and thanks in advance for any insight you can give me here!
 

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Can't necessarily tell you how or why it worked... It just does. I had seen a YouTube of someone doing it with a normal 510 so I gave it a try.

Can't say for sure total volume it would hold simply because I don't know how much the mesh retained but I'd usually top off with 3 to 4 drops...

If I had to venture a guess as to why/how it worked... I'd say that the coil itself created its own capillary action that was able to draw in the liquid.

If you're going to try it yourself make sure you don't damage the coil. I used fine point electronics tweezers. Normal tweezers are too bulky.
 

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He didn't want a de-bridged atty, he wanted a de-wicked atty.

OP,

So you say you understand the issues with de-wicking an atty, does this mean you have tried it before? Because I have de-wicked a few attys, and it just doesn't work. Unless you have some sort of nozzle that's constantly spraying juice onto the coil, you will get extremely hot, thin, burnt vapor.

If the coil is completely submerged in juice, it won't vaporize properly. It will just heat the pool of juice up, possibly causing the pool of juice to explode into your mouth, burning your lips and tongue (this actually happened to me) or it will just produce almost zero vapor and just do nothing but gurgle.

If the coil is not submerged in juice, the instant you fire it up, nearly all of the juice will vaporize, taste burnt, and very hot, and have little vapor.

If it's half submerged, half not, the submerged half will do nothing, and the un-submerged half will burn and give you awful vapor.

That's my experience, I was not able to ever get a single hit that wasn't totally disgusting regardless of how much juice was in the atty. These were just regular 510 attys with the ceramic cup. You need a wick, without one it just wont work, unless you use some sort of continuous spray of juice directly on the coil.

If you don't believe me, and still want a wick-less atty, you won't be able to buy one because nobody makes them, as it would be silly to specifically design a product to not function at all. You'll have to remove the wick from a normal att, which actually isn't terribly difficult.

Screw the atty into something to get a good hold on the connector. You could use pliers, but this would likely damage the threads. I always use an old broken eGo battery when I'm removing tubes from connectors, be it attys or cartos. With the atty screwed down, apply pressure on the tube section in a side-to-side manner. You should be able to slowly pull the tube off of the base/connector.

Now you are left with the 510 connection, and the ceramic cup wrapped in nickle-foam, supported by two wires. After you remove the nickle foam, and bridge (if it had one) you should be able to easily slide the ceramic cup down the wires, which will leave the coil exposed at the end of the wires.

Now you can carefully pull the wick out sideways. Doing this while dry burning makes it easier, as there's no gunk to stick the wick to the coil, and the coil should be a little more pliable when it's hot. Once the wick is removed, you can slide the ceramic cup back up over the coil, re-wrap the cup with the nickle foam , and then press the tube back onto the base.

I generally remove a tiny bit of nickle foam so that I can slide the cup back into the tube a lot easier. You should now have a fully de-wicked atty that will give you months of thin, hot, nasty burnt vapor! ;)

The ones I linked are debriged and usually dewicked. It's a ceramic cup under the coil. And that's it. Exactly what the OP wanted.
 

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So you totally removed the wick, there is absolutely nothing in there but a cup with a coil inside? And the mesh that surrounds the cup obviously. Did this perform decent? How much juice could it hold at one time? How many vapes can you get before you have to re-drip?

I'm very curious about this. The reason I tried de-wicking my attys in the first place is because I am sensitive to silica wick or something. I can taste it, just like other people claim to taste carto filler. I can't taste carto filler, but every single device with a silica wick I can taste something "off" about them.

But absolutely nothing I tried gave me even a halfway decent vape. Every single puff was just dreadful. Mine were 510s, is there something different internally on the 306 that would be more conducive to working properly when wickless?

I just don't understand how to get around the problem of juice retention. How is the coil hanging onto enough juice so that it can vape properly? Because the amount of juice that can "cling" to a coil via surface tension boils away in a split second, and putting more juice than that results in a big blob of juice that doesn't even vaporize.

Sorry for the threadjack, and thanks in advance for any insight you can give me here!

The coil sits in the ceramic cup. Maybe half a mm from the bottom of the ceramic cup. So, it pretty much touches the juice the entire time. The ceramic cup doesn't hold much at all. Maybe 2-3 drops.
 

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I ordered one and a couple other things that looked interesting on that site since shipping was very reasonable, not inflated, I love to try new things and don't mind small orders. Anyway, it's all my budget will allow and it satisfies that weird buying addiction so many of us have got here! It didn't say and I do both, but is this both a dripper and bottom feeder atty? I had to order the one with delrin tip included so it might be a little different because of the mesh mentioned. I'm ok with that. The others were out of stock....and seem like they are a relatively new addition to their wares. If you see this post. Thanks.

The ones I linked are debriged and usually dewicked. It's a ceramic cup under the coil. And that's it. Exactly what the OP wanted.
 

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The ones I linked are debriged and usually dewicked. It's a ceramic cup under the coil. And that's it. Exactly what the OP wanted.

Well don't I feel stupid! I had no idea they sold wickless attys, my bad! I've seen (and buy) bridgeless attys all over but was unaware wikcless was available.

Maybe I'l give it another shot dewicking one of my attys. I really love the concept of having no silica in there.

Sorry again about my disinfo and thanks for the schooling
 
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