atomizers I am working on

[Chowderhead1972]

Easy big fella... Reo is entering un chartered waters which have become decidedly murky with Patent law in regard to global commerce and ambiguities in Trademark and Patent standards.

I personally understand you are in a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario. I'm certain you will make the correct choice.

 

[rudy4653]

Dayum! This is getting crazy!
The way I see it is that Rob is providing a SERVICE to those of us that don't have the technical skills to "modify" a dripper like some of you are doing at home! I'm sure the big atty producers are not in the board room saying OMG that Rob guy in Maine is stealing our buisness?
I really don't see the difference in me buying a dripper off some website and going down in my basement and fiddling with drill presses, Dremels, etc."modifying" it or just going to Rob's website and getting the same thing only having it "modified" for me by a professional that's going to do it right?????
I think we need to get off it already!
I need to calm down now because I can't even believe that Rob's integrity is even a thought in anyone's mind!!!!!!!!!

 

[brookj1986]

I've got to agree that by converting a dripper to a bottom feeder, you are inherently changing the devices and no longer taking any intellectual property. It is no longer the same device. It may bear resemblance to the original, but the fact that these are no longer standard drippers changes them.

Regardless, I am so excited about the potential offerings of additional bottom feed atties that I simply cannot wait for them to be available!

This, to me, seems a bit ridiculous of a conversation. Rob is simply responding to our demands. If I could modify myself, I would. If you have an issue with cloned devices, don't buy them.

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[Jet Knight]

Just waiting..........

 

[TheKiwi]

Been lurking for a while, and thought I would drop something into the discussion.

After hemming and hawwing for months, I finally decided to get a REO (currently deployed in Iraq, so imma be PM-ing rob once I get back to good ole murica)

One of the biggest reason why I refused to get into Reos was because of the lack of atty options on the market, especially those with AFC. If good ole Quigsworth (thanks buddy) didn't agree to helping me mod some attys to be BF, I would have never decided to get a REO.

Just thought I would say that with Rob now offering this service, many more folks might finally be willing to give the REO a try.


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[olefolks]

For Robs' presentations, me too!!

 

[timk]

While I am a big fan of original devices and prefer to buy real ones if I like them, I don't think Rob modifying clones is a big deal. I like to buy a clone to see if I like it before shelling out $100+ on a piece of metal for an original. Some of those originals can't even be had for whatever reason. Also, some folks just don't have $100 to drop on an atty. Its not like Rob is commissioning clones to be made and I can already hear the argument that buying them supports the rip-off biz etc etc. I get it, it doesn't help the anti-cloning movement (if that's even a real thing) but clones will happen regardless and they will sell thousands of them regardless if Reosmods converts or not. These things are already made in mass quantities and the drop in the bucket added consumption from Reosmods won't change a thing economically. I agree with Chowder, damned if you do damned if you don't. However, I appreciate the response to demand from Reosmods to supply some different options for atties.

 

[olefolks]

I have a question for any of you expert Bottom Feed RDA people. Just how many authentic Bottom Fed RDAs are in production? Next, where can you purchase these Bottom Fed RDAs. Please advise and thanks!!

 

[Big Hitter]

I am not taking a bottom fed atomizer and making a copy I am taking a dripper and converting the unit . This in my mind is not taking a drop of business from who ever the original creator may be . I would be the last person in the world to steel another mans idea or product . If I didn't convert these no one would buy them for a reo . I dont no how one could even see it any other way . If I started buying chalices or era clones you would have a point . There is a huge difference and to put me in the same light as a thief really rubs me the wrong way

I think the point being made was REOs mods would be buying and selling clones ......

As per my previous post I have no problem with it ......

In fact I'm glad your doing it so others don't have to try and mod them ...... Having bigger and more options available for BF attys is a great thing for current and future REOnauts.

I know you didn't have to do it but like always you listen to your customer needs and try to make an inexpensive option(s) for them.

As in my previous post ..... I don't see how this could do anything except prove for the 10,000th time that you will go the extra mile for your customers.

Don't give a second thought and carry on ...... IMHO

 

[73neb]

Anything that gets more people vaping instead of smoking should be encouraged, IMO. I hope we can stay united as a community and not let idealogical differences divide us. Thanks Rob for listening and acting.

 

[turbocad6]

I am not taking a bottom fed atomizer and making a copy I am taking a dripper and converting the unit . This in my mind is not taking a drop of business from who ever the original creator may be . I would be the last person in the world to steel another mans idea or product . If I didn't convert these no one would buy them for a reo . I dont no how one could even see it any other way . If I started buying chalices or era clones you would have a point . There is a huge difference and to put me in the same light as a thief really rubs me the wrong way

I know you have the highest integrity, and I know you don't think there is anything wrong with what you are doing or else you wouldn't do it... I know this and so does just about everyone else here, but I also know that you probably don't go around the rest of the forum and see all the debates back and forth about clones. just because you don't see how anyone might think differently though doesn't mean that some others may indeed still see things differently, which is exactly why I posted what I did.

my post makes no judgement of clones nor does it debate whether buying clones is ok or not, that is a debate for elsewhere, not here... my only intent was to show you that even though you may not see any compromise at all on your integrity that doesn't mean everyone else will automatically see it the same way. I'm trying to protect your integrity and honor here by bringing something to light that you may not have even considered, that is all. there is no hate behind my post, quite the opposite really, I respect reosmods enough that I know your integrity and honesty but I know that not everyone will always see it that way which is why I simply suggested sanding off the marks that make an atty a counterfeit in the first place. I'm not trying to degrade you I'm trying to help make sure that no one should ever have reason to question your integrity, selling counterfeit atties can and I think will hurt the perception of 100% integrity to those that may not know better... my post is only intended to help.

I did wish someone else would have said something first but since no one has I felt it was the right thing to do, to bring this to light before you actually went and started selling them on your site. I'll accept the hate and ridicule if it helps protect your integrity in the long run and I think I expected that most would just be thinking I should just shut up because they don't care anything about the issues of clones, they just want what they want, and I applaud you for giving your customers what they want too, all I'm trying to do is suggest a way to give everyone what they want without opening up reosmods to the impression that they support and endorse counterfeit clones, that is all. I have no intentions of rubbing you the wrong way, my intentions are to make sure that no one else ever has any reason to think reosmods is any less than 100% honest business with the highest integrity. I promise you that some will think that way though, I'm only trying to help protect you from something you may not even see yet, I KNOW you have the highest integrity I just hate to see you do something that would allow others to think differently of that, especially when it can be avoided at this early stage of the game. I think everyone that is thinking I should just shut up also wouldn't care if the counterfeit markings are removed so to me that would be a win win situation and protect you from anyone accusing you of doing something that you had no intention of doing in the first place. I posted because I care enough to accept the ridicule and maybe even hate from some who may not understand my intentions here, my only intention is to help

 

[rudy4653]

Maybe I'm making too simple of a comparison but let's say your car needs a new part, you can by "original manufacturers" parts or you can get "after market" (clones?) parts and save a ton of money because original parts are outrageously priced. Seems Auto Zone would not be in business?
Sorry for being trivial about this, I guess I'm not as passionate about clone issues as I am other issues like control of nicotine, liquids etc. by big tobacco companies. just saying.

 

[turbocad6]

nothing wrong with an aftermarket anything, where it goes wrong is when the cheap aftermarket alternator comes in a red and white box and says DELCO all over it, that's not aftermarket, that's counterfeit. that's the whole point.

a watch is a watch, but when a watch says rolex on it it can only be one of 2 things, a rolex or a counterfeit, remove the word rolex and it's not a counterfeit anymore, now it's just some watch...

 

[Dconnor]

I have modded a bunch of atomizers to bf myself. I see a lot of others who do not have the skills, tools, and/or physical capabilities to do this. Lots of them ask for help, and some Reonauts are nice enough to do this for them. I feel Rob is continuing his exemplary customer service. His customers have a need and he has the expertise, tools and ability to fill it.
I do not feel it is Rob's responsibility to solve the clone v original debate. The vast majority of his customers are not going to pay as much or more for an rda as the mod. Taking a $100+ original and modding it would put the price out of the range of most.
Just about every vape website and B&M sells clones. Some label them, some don't. It's not like Rob is going to be paying the overhead with these. He has labor, tooling and possibly parts to make what ? $10-$20 each.

 

[pt91]

I would gladly purchased aftermarket "parts/modified posts" for several RDAs that I could use to make my drippers into a BF.
That would be a great accessory and avoid the clone issue altogether.

 

[el_lou]

I know you have the highest integrity, and I know you don't think there is anything wrong with what you are doing or else you wouldn't do it... I know this and so does just about everyone else here, but I also know that you probably don't go around the rest of the forum and see all the debates back and forth about clones. just because you don't see how anyone might think differently though doesn't mean that some others may indeed still see things differently, which is exactly why I posted what I did.

my post makes no judgement of clones nor does it debate whether buying clones is ok or not, that is a debate for elsewhere, not here... my only intent was to show you that even though you may not see any compromise at all on your integrity that doesn't mean everyone else will automatically see it the same way. I'm trying to protect your integrity and honor here by bringing something to light that you may not have even considered, that is all. there is no hate behind my post, quite the opposite really, I respect reosmods enough that I know your integrity and honesty but I know that not everyone will always see it that way which is why I simply suggested sanding off the marks that make an atty a counterfeit in the first place. I'm not trying to degrade you I'm trying to help make sure that no one should ever have reason to question your integrity, selling counterfeit atties can and I think will hurt the perception of 100% integrity to those that may not know better... my post is only intended to help.

I did wish someone else would have said something first but since no one has I felt it was the right thing to do, to bring this to light before you actually went and started selling them on your site. I'll accept the hate and ridicule if it helps protect your integrity in the long run and I think I expected that most would just be thinking I should just shut up because they don't care anything about the issues of clones, they just want what they want, and I applaud you for giving your customers what they want too, all I'm trying to do is suggest a way to give everyone what they want without opening up reosmods to the impression that they support and endorse counterfeit clones, that is all. I have no intentions of rubbing you the wrong way, my intentions are to make sure that no one else ever has any reason to think reosmods is any less than 100% honest business with the highest integrity. I promise you that some will think that way though, I'm only trying to help protect you from something you may not even see yet, I KNOW you have the highest integrity I just hate to see you do something that would allow others to think differently of that, especially when it can be avoided at this early stage of the game. I think everyone that is thinking I should just shut up also wouldn't care if the counterfeit markings are removed so to me that would be a win win situation and protect you from anyone accusing you of doing something that you had no intention of doing in the first place. I posted because I care enough to accept the ridicule and maybe even hate from some who may not understand my intentions here, my only intention is to help

You write way too much to say nothing at all... I don't think I can remember the last time I went on ANY vaping website that did NOT have clones. I've even caught people producing pieces for cloned atomizers AND mods. To better clones. (ex: magnets, center pins, o-rings.)

Turbo... The truth is, Rob does whatever he wants to, to satisfy the majority of his customers. Why? Because money. Because quality. Because it isn't illegal. Because none of us care, dude. And if we DO get .... hurt by it, we don't complain about it in a thread. We keep our mouth shut. Especially when we see so many people are for it.

This is ridiculous.

 

[olefolks]

I have a question for any of you expert Bottom Feed RDA people. Just how many authentic Bottom Fed RDAs are in production? Next, where can you purchase these Bottom Fed RDAs. Please advise and thanks!!

I know that not much time has past since I posed my questions, but, noone has responded. Are the questions stupid or are there no current Bottom Fed RDAs?

 

[el_lou]

I know that not much time has past since I posed my questions, but, noone has responded. Are the questions stupid or are there no current Bottom Fed RDAs?

One I had never heard of around here is the Graal. (Maybe I've just overlooked?)

But as far as brand new, dude? I have no idea. And I'm in the hunt at least twice a week.

 

[redeyedancer]

I know you have the highest integrity, and I know you don't think there is anything wrong with what you are doing or else you wouldn't do it... I know this and so does just about everyone else here, but I also know that you probably don't go around the rest of the forum and see all the debates back and forth about clones. just because you don't see how anyone might think differently though doesn't mean that some others may indeed still see things differently, which is exactly why I posted what I did.

my post makes no judgement of clones nor does it debate whether buying clones is ok or not, that is a debate for elsewhere, not here... my only intent was to show you that even though you may not see any compromise at all on your integrity that doesn't mean everyone else will automatically see it the same way. I'm trying to protect your integrity and honor here by bringing something to light that you may not have even considered, that is all. there is no hate behind my post, quite the opposite really, I respect reosmods enough that I know your integrity and honesty but I know that not everyone will always see it that way which is why I simply suggested sanding off the marks that make an atty a counterfeit in the first place. I'm not trying to degrade you I'm trying to help make sure that no one should ever have reason to question your integrity, selling counterfeit atties can and I think will hurt the perception of 100% integrity to those that may not know better... my post is only intended to help.

I did wish someone else would have said something first but since no one has I felt it was the right thing to do, to bring this to light before you actually went and started selling them on your site. I'll accept the hate and ridicule if it helps protect your integrity in the long run and I think I expected that most would just be thinking I should just shut up because they don't care anything about the issues of clones, they just want what they want, and I applaud you for giving your customers what they want too, all I'm trying to do is suggest a way to give everyone what they want without opening up reosmods to the impression that they support and endorse counterfeit clones, that is all. I have no intentions of rubbing you the wrong way, my intentions are to make sure that no one else ever has any reason to think reosmods is any less than 100% honest business with the highest integrity. I promise you that some will think that way though, I'm only trying to help protect you from something you may not even see yet, I KNOW you have the highest integrity I just hate to see you do something that would allow others to think differently of that, especially when it can be avoided at this early stage of the game. I think everyone that is thinking I should just shut up also wouldn't care if the counterfeit markings are removed so to me that would be a win win situation and protect you from anyone accusing you of doing something that you had no intention of doing in the first place. I posted because I care enough to accept the ridicule and maybe even hate from some who may not understand my intentions here, my only intention is to help

Ok here we go another Turbo novel Thanks for your input I dont think anyone wants you to go away .
You are correct I never really leave my own part of the woods . Cloning peoples products is not something I agree with It is sad that it has come to this .
I suppose me buying some cloned atomizers is feeding the machine I never really gave it much thought . If I had the time and the right lath I would certainly make them myself I am working on that . How does one make a atomizer that is not copy of another atomizer ? lol not a easy task . Its like making a bottom fed mod that is not like a reo . They all lead back to the reo . I would be willing to bet every bottom fed mod builder out there owned one of my mods .
I have already decided to remove any labels from these atomizers . Some dont have any and I planed on using my own names like I have done with the rm2 .

 

[redeyedancer]

Can we get back to care bears and unicorns now