Attack on UK vapers by TW

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anorth_uk

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It was a witches cauldron waiting to bubble over. I think JC's problem needs to be with DV and ECITA ONLY though and that the moderator on UKV who is linked to ECITA, needs to no longer be a mod. This then eliminates the tie between the DV/TW/ECITA drama. And UKV can happily reopen :)

To be honest the "mod/Admin" in question hasn't been active on UKV for some time, until this weekend, I also don't see why he should be forced to stand down. As he never posted on any thread I was active in, he's had no effect on anything in my life

If you look on the DV website, it clearly states they are a founder member of ECITA
 

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Just tried to add this Pillbox Guy to my ignore list

It comes up with this "Sorry pillbox38 is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her."

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Conflict of interests .... sigh





Added by classwife : All Forum Suppliers have moderating abilities in their forums.
 
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Basically after the m6 motorway incident a spoof video went up by pillbox pretending to be the guilty vaper basically promoting totally wicked. A member of ukv posted it on the forum with one sentances saying it was on YouTube and the like and dislike buttons had been disabled. The neat reply was an out and out personal attack on the op, followed by an equally personal attack on the forum as a whole. Shortly after it became apparent that there was more going on with talk of nwa, reptillians, and various other end times conspiracies. Half the forum thought he was mad, many others were genuinely concerned about him. The personal attacks continued, both sides came out fighting. The next thing we know, legal action is threatened and the forum closed. I hope that helps clear things up.
I would like to reiterate, totally wicked had equally good and bad coverage on the forum-as does every product and company in the vaping world. You will never please everybody all the time, but equally there were some very happy totally wicked customers (I had counted myself in that group as without them I probably wouldn't have found vaping). There has never been any deliberate hate towards any one vender (as far as I have seen).
This is the story as I see it, but there are always more sides-our truth, his truth and somewhere in the middle is THE truth.

Lets not forget the threat to sue forum MEMBERS who were fighting the UKV corner..And openly admitting to baiting the forum as a whole to try and make himself look like the good guy...mmmm...think that has backfired somewhat Mr Pi3 Boll8x
 

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I was trying to sum up what I saw as factually as I could and with as little emotion, which believe me is very difficult!
I would like to say that you cannot bully people into submission by assuming we are all sheeple (sequentials), it seems that we are alot more free thinking than we are being given credit for. Surely sheeple don't argue, debate or fight back. If we just bow down to our glorious leaders most of us wouldn't be interested in vaping (an alternative to the official government anti smoking stance)?
 

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Yep. Sour grapes, personal grudges. Taken out on innocent bystanders who have nothing whatsoever with Lord Voldemort.

It's bang out of order and really rather sad.

After reading through 243...244....245...posts about it, I'm sorry but it seemed rather comical at first when I woke up yesterday morning...grabbed my PV and was chilling in my boxers reading through the morning news on my new favorite forum. When I left for work it was a few posts and I saw the video before it got pulled down. I'll be completely honest...being new to posting on the forums yet a long time curious reader I didn't think much of it at the time and find it sort of humorous in a "wow this guy is a piece of work" kinda way and saying too soon? too soon? having no back story on what was happening prior.

Later in the day on my work computer I pulled up the forums and said...wow that thread blew up but I have too much to do before I go home...Ill catch it later. Getting home I went to watch the video again before reading through all this I saw the message on the UKV and said "oh this is serious" being new to vaping and really enjoying this...shenanigans like this can really have an impact on the future of vaping so yeah...anyone who negatively impacts an entire community and creates a stir this big in a rather chill community shouldn't be talked about or mentioned or dealt with similar to a villain in a movie who is out to destroy good things.

So to you I apologize if I rubbed you the wrong way or made a joke out of line...I understand a lot of people are worked up over this and I definitely don't want to make a negative early impression on a community I see myself being involved in for a long time. I really hope that tempers cool and the UKV can come back up online so that as a newer vaper I can benefit from it as a resource and a place to meet new people who enjoy the same thing I do.
 

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To be honest the "Mod/Admin" in question hasn't been active on UKV for some time, until this weekend, I also don't see why he should be forced to stand down. As he never posted on any thread I was active in, he's had no effect on anything in my life

If you look on the DV website, it clearly states they are a founder member of ECITA


With all fairness, DV has an unfair advantage of being a founding member of ECITA... Can they truly be biased? I sure hope so! It's just fuel for He Who Must Not Be Named legal crusade.


If UKV has no politics involved in ECITA TW and DV, then there shouldn't be an issue to remove the one moderator regardless of activity levels to avoid a further conflict of interest.

It is the sensible thing to do.

It removes the conflict of interest and it returns the forum to a free speech forum where were are allowed to share our experiences and opinions with vaping. He who must not be named can not sue a collective for free speech. None of us stated that the observation of him being a complete lunatic was a fact which would need to be substantiated by a psychological analysis. If he was found to be mentally unstable then his law suit would hold no basis and should be tossed out of court. If he was found to be of sound mind, it could be relegated that his actions led us to believe he could be mentally unstable and as covered under the Human Rights Act, we are protected for expression, thoughts, ect.


He has no basis.

He can not prove loss of income either due to the UKV posts. His site traffice, even his forum traffic and facebook traffic is more than enough evidence that he has not lost a good portion of his customers. Glad I never was one....and just so you are aware, he DOES have his customers information, bank accounts, credit card numbers, personal addresses.... to me, that is more scary than a threatened law suit!

He would have to undergo extensive auditing to prove that.

And it is expensive.
 

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Oh rats, it seems I missed most of what was going on.

Has anyone mentioned Wagon Wheels yet? The Asian 'Crown Pies' are just not as nice.

Sadly, battered and deep-fried Mars and Moro bars are available here too.

Malt for malt loaf can be found in health food stores.

Just in: Lea & Perrins are using troll blood in lieu of anchovies.

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A rather large number of allegations about me have been made by an electronic cigarette vendor probably best described as infamous.
Responding to these where they are posted is impossible, with one set being on UKVapers, which is currently closed, and the other on his own forum, where expressing a dissenting opinion is impossible (as quite a few have learned during the course of the last few days).

1.Admin on UKVapers=Tom Pruen (Crossbow) He moderates and virtually runs the forum.


That is indeed my name. I am a moderator on UKVapers, and have been since before my association with ECITA. I am certain that this assertion that I run the forum would not be supported by the rest of the moderation team!

2. He draws nearly £3k a month from ECITA
I don’t earn anything like £3k a month in total, and most of the money I do earn does not come from ECITA. A significant portion of my income is from Decadent Vapours, to whom I provide advice on technical matters, such as the recent upgrades to the DV facilities, and testing of products. I do not think that anyone could allege that DV have received favourable treatment on UKV.

3. He does not nor do most members know his conflict of interest. IE He subtly, sometimes not so hassles vendors who do not pay up so to speak.. By joining his GF and his organisation.

When I first joined ECITA, I made the rest of the forum admins aware of this, and have always tried to separate my actions as a UKV mod from my involvement in ECITA.
I have from time to time been outspoken on the need for better legal compliance in the industry, which is what I assume this refers to, but I certainly haven’t prevented any vendors posting, or modified their posts, or in any way prevent their free access to the forum. There is a reason why UKV was the largest UK centric e-cig forum, and it was not an overly controlling or censorious moderation team.


4. Certain members of the community..The In Club are not moderated and allowed to post more than destructive comments about none club member companies.
Given that some ECITA members have been given poor reviews on UKV, while others thrive, I have no idea what this refers to.

5. ECITA run by Devlin and Pruen, have been frightening flavour houses making them decide not to sell to other ecig vendors other than the company she is a director of with her Brother IE decadent vapours.
One flavour company contacted ECITA with questions about supplying flavourings to the company in question. We were unable to comment on their concerns, as we have no knowledge of the facilities and procedures that a non-member company has available to them. The company expressed to us their concerns about supplying their products in concentrated form, and this may be the basis of their unwillingness to supply them.

6. ECITA Lies about Tw and because we do not need or would ever want to join their club.. Creates bad press with organisations like the NMO against TW. Only thing is once they visit us they recognise we are soooo far removed from Devlins picture we get told exactly what was said.


ECITA suggested that this company address their possible non-compliance with the RoHS directive, and provided considerable free advice, but the directors of ECITA (which do not include either myself or Katherine) declined to accept this company as members prior to an audit, as they had grave concerns about the company’s legal compliance, and commitment to ongoing compliance. I think there is some bitterness over this.

To put these allegations in context, the same person is the author of posts about aliens arriving in sunbeams and a statement that the Olympics will be attacked with a nuclear weapon.

Personally, I do not consider him a reliable source of information, and his actions against UKV amount to little more than bullying.
 
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