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That seems to happen in most states. Oregon where I live is a red state outside Portland and Eugene. It's the big metropolitan areas that seem to eat up the tax money like crazy. More rural areas are used to doing without.

Same thing in Florida. The I-4 corridor and South Florida/Miami area are 'bluer' than the smaller cities and rural areas.
 
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Late to the thread, but if something like that passed in my State, I would organize a protest where every protester got as close to the capital building as possible and every time a legislator walked by everyone would light a cigarette and blow the smoke at them and yell "Thanks for making me smoke again!" That would be some big stinky clouds.
 
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That seems to happen in most states. Oregon where I live is a red state outside Portland and Eugene. It's the big metropolitan areas that seem to eat up the tax money like crazy. More rural areas are used to doing without.

Yeah, no. That is wildly untrue. Pretty much the exact reverse of what really happens re: public funds per capita in urban vs. rural areas. The places in this country that receive the most government money per capita in one way or another are almost all rural.

New York City is expensive, yes. It's also home to more than 2 million people. It also happens to be wildly more economically productive than any other place in the state, by miles. We fund the rest of the state, not the other way around.

Let upstate secede. They'll soon wonder why they didn't look at the stats about which way money really flows.

This is a stupid bill, with zero reason to worry about it until it shows some actual sign of life, which it hasn't in years. There's ....ty legislation stalled in committee all the time, there's currently no reason to expect this one to escape the pack.
 

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New York City is expensive, yes. It's also home to more than 2 million people. It also happens to be wildly more economically productive than any other place in the state, by miles. We fund the rest of the state, not the other way around.
If the City didn't suppress the rest of the state, we could be productive too.
 

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I found this late last night. The NY State senate is trying to pass a bill banning all eliquid sales. It seems you would just be able to only purchase cigalikes.

NY State Senate Bill S6939

Of course! They want people addicted to cigarettes and people using products from Big Tobacco.

They get exorbitant taxes from the addicted, AND big Tobacco has to keep paying the state $billions so the prostitutes in New York House and Senate can waste money to buy votes.

New York taxed the so called rich until they fled the state for low tax states like Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and others.

California is on the same downward skid.

Awhile back The Golfer Phil Mickelson toyed with leaving California for Texas.

If he had he would have saved $millions in state, city, and local taxes. If memory serves he said that Federal, state, city taxes took 52% of every dollar he made.

But the brain dead representatives still want him to pay his fair share..

I think 52% taxes is his fair share and then some.
 

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It is things like this that make me even happier that I no longer have to depend on anyone to make my e-liquid for me. Fortunately the stoopid (yes, I know it is spelled wrong :D) reg that passed behind closed doors here in Arkansas hasn't affected me but I know it is hurting others and it just isn't right !!!!!!!!! Hopefully this one will stay in the un-passed pile of stoopid regs.

That is why I have always been on the drum beat of switch to RDAs or RTAs learn to build and learn to DIY juice.

Get off their backside and PREPARE BEFORE THE GOVT DOES SOMETHING STUPID.

I HAVE PREPARED AND MADE THE LEGISLATION IRRELEVANT TO MY LIFE!

the cost of preparing vus lower now than it will be later, and the investment of a few $hundred spent strategically will keep you in vape gear, nicotine, mods that will last years until the people come to their senses and vote out the liberals that are speeding the state and federal Government to financial collapse.
 
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Yeah, me too... I saw this and ordered another liter of nic to put away just in case... lol

Yep. People will either prepare and make legislation irrelevant or wish they had.

I also have about 2 years of food stockpiled and put in buried caches around the Catalina foothills including RTAs, wire but no nic. Thank God I got down to zero nic, and stockpiled of certain things I cannot talk about
 

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My favorite part was the leading justification of e-liquids being dangerous "According to the New York Times, an individual died after injecting e-liquids..."

I actually LOL'd. We need to get the injector together with the paperclip guy. So they will make 2 more stupid friends, then they will each make two more stupid friends, and so on and so on. Pretty soon, we'll have all the stupid people in place. New York and Chicago politics seem to attract a fairly high level of stupid. Lets add them to the mix. Eventually, we'll have most of the stupid in one place where they can be monitored and sterilized. I recommend that big hole in Arizona called the Grand Canyon. (Have you ever been there? They talk about it being a natural wonder but it takes forever to drive there and then it's just a big hole in the desert. Yeah, it's an enormous hole but a hole none the less and then they want to charge you extra $130 to take a mule to the bottom. You don't even get a full blown horse, just a mule.) Pulling them all in that hole will make it easier to keep them contained. Sure the occasional free range imbecile will pop up from time to time but perhaps these actions will help stem the tide. And when the occasional imbecile does pop up, we'll have that hole all ready for them.

Haunted. Apparently you were never raised on a farm. I was.

There is a reason why they use burros and mules instead of horses. A burro or mule is about 5-10 times as sure footed than a horse. I have ridden both horses and mules. I would trust to ride va burro or mule to the bottom blindfolded with confidence I would get there alive. I would walk down before I rode a horse.

Horses are not sure footed and they are easily frightened.
 

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No sir.
Here in California, we have the Apex stupid.
Top of the stupid chain.
You think NY and Texas has the crazy?
We own the patent. From the governor to the local politicians, to the LEO.
Straight up nut jobs have infected California and have taken over like the Borg. Resistance is futile.

Uh. The quote is "Resistance is irrelevant."

I'm a Treker since the original series, and 20 years ago moderated the Star Trek forum on Intelec network and the PC Security forums on six different networks and hosted round tables of AntiVirus developers on AOL so users could get facts instead of hyperbole.
 

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Uh. The quote is "Resistance is irrelevant."

I'm a Treker since the original series, and 20 years ago moderated the Star Trek forum on Intelec network and the PC Security forums on six different networks and hosted round tables of AntiVirus developers on AOL so users could get facts instead of hyperbole.


Since you Like to split hairs for no apparent reason, it's not a quote or I would have included quotation marks " ".
It's called paraphrasing.

Haunted. Apparently you were never raised on a farm. I was.

There is a reason why they use burros and mules instead of horses. A burro or mule is about 5-10 times as sure footed than a horse. I have ridden both horses and mules. I would trust to ride va burro or mule to the bottom blindfolded with confidence I would get there alive. I would walk down before I rode a horse.

Horses are not sure footed and they are easily frightened.

Apparently you haven't read many of haunted's post.
It's a joke, that you apparently didn't get.
 

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Since you Like to split hairs for no apparent reason, it's not a quote or I would have included quotation marks " ".
It's called paraphrasing.



Apparently you haven't read many of haunted's post.
It's a joke, that you apparently didn't get.

Apparently I didn't get the joke
 

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Yeah, no. That is wildly untrue. Pretty much the exact reverse of what really happens re: public funds per capita in urban vs. rural areas. The places in this country that receive the most government money per capita in one way or another are almost all rural.

New York City is expensive, yes. It's also home to more than 2 million people. It also happens to be wildly more economically productive than any other place in the state, by miles. We fund the rest of the state, not the other way around.

Let upstate secede. They'll soon wonder why they didn't look at the stats about which way money really flows.

This is a stupid bill, with zero reason to worry about it until it shows some actual sign of life, which it hasn't in years. There's ....ty legislation stalled in committee all the time, there's currently no reason to expect this one to escape the pack.
Home to 2 million ? Brooklyn alone were you apparently reside has more than 2 million people in residence. NYC has over 8 million residents. You are correct though about more tax dollars going out than coming back in. Even more lopsided if you include the suburban ( Westchester, Nassau, Rockland and Suffolk counties ) residents, a large percentage of whom work in NYC.

In fiscal 2010, the Upstate region generated less than 28 percent of the state’s taxes and other non-federal revenues (including SUNY tuition, lottery and other gambling profits, motor vehicle fees and so on). By contrast, Upstate received a much larger share of state-funded expenditures, 42 percent.
 
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Let's not forget northern NJ which has a ton of people who only live there to commute into the city. I thought about moving there myself but I can't bare to pay that 15 dollar toll every time you cross the Bayonne or the Goethals bridge, screw that. Thankfully the Staten Island ferry is still free, I remember when they tried to tax that too.
 
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Home to 2 million ? Brooklyn alone were you apparently reside has more than 2 million people in residence. NYC has over 8 million residents. You are correct though about more tax dollars going out than coming back in. Even more lopsided if you include the suburban ( Westchester, Nassau, Rockland and Suffolk counties ) residents, a large percentage of whom work in NYC.

In fiscal 2010, the Upstate region generated less than 28 percent of the state’s taxes and other non-federal revenues (including SUNY tuition, lottery and other gambling profits, motor vehicle fees and so on). By contrast, Upstate received a much larger share of state-funded expenditures, 42 percent.

Yeah, my brain kicked out the stat for Manhattan, or rather what Manhattan's occupancy expands to during the work day. *edit* Geez, even that's outdated now. Apparently these day it doubles to more than 3 million during the workday.

But anyway, regardless, point stands.
 
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Yeah, no. That is wildly untrue. Pretty much the exact reverse of what really happens re: public funds per capita in urban vs. rural areas. The places in this country that receive the most government money per capita in one way or another are almost all rural.


But how much of the money that rural areas receive go to farm and agri subsidies that ultimately lead back to feeding the masses in cities. I have almost zero knowledge on the matter but I would guess it's an enormous portion.
 
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