Australian ban; Egar illegal
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If you do become a Republic and fight for your Freedom and Win will you please invade the UK ? Let us know when your going to do it and we'll have The Resistance ready.
I'm sick of these Neo-Fascists telling me that they own my body and soul.
I am so angry today and ashamed of My Country today as well because they will follow the same line as your Country. All our Father and Grandfather's fought in two world wars for a "Land fit for Heroes" and we've ended up with a Land and People Owned and Controlled by Hypocrites, Liars and Thieving Murderer's.
Somebody mentioned Guy Fawkes in one thread on here.
I Volunteer. Give me the tools and i'll finish the job.
I'm sick of these Neo-Fascists telling me that they own my body and soul.
I am so angry today and ashamed of My Country today as well because they will follow the same line as your Country. All our Father and Grandfather's fought in two world wars for a "Land fit for Heroes" and we've ended up with a Land and People Owned and Controlled by Hypocrites, Liars and Thieving Murderer's.
Somebody mentioned Guy Fawkes in one thread on here.
I Volunteer. Give me the tools and i'll finish the job.
The only republic we are going to get is a "people one", like you have the right to shut the f**k up, may be. The Goverment said we will have one, so if they want one I sure in the hell dont! And the sad thing is most younger aussie do as they think we will be like th USA but thats bull, we will not even be able to vote for a Pres, only a party and they will hand that title out. No my friends a repulic will do us over and we will dun in like a duck dinner.
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Man, I only found out about this this morning. Others have expressed feelings that I share on the matter much more eloquently than I would, so I think I'll leave it at that.
dodomark, best of luck with the legal stuff. Stick it to those .....es.
I've sent an email to NSW's department of health to try to find out if there are any similar bans planned here. And if there are, I'll be making as much noise at them as possible.
dodomark, best of luck with the legal stuff. Stick it to those .....es.
I've sent an email to NSW's department of health to try to find out if there are any similar bans planned here. And if there are, I'll be making as much noise at them as possible.
Well, it's about time I popped in and said hello (now that I've calmed down a little)...
Hi Guys, it's Ed from ciggy. As you may have seen, this ban has led me to close up shop.
I spent a lot of time yesterday & last night chatting with fellow e-smokers on the phone and have realised that I have a bit of fight left in me yet.
I don't believe trying to re-invent the wheel isn't going to change things but I'm hoping there may be a workable solution.
Prior to e-cigs, I had successfully given up analogues (for 14 months) using nicorette inhalers. (google "nicorette inhaler" to see what they look like and how they work).
They're harsh and in a word, clinical. They have a faint minty taste but more like an injection swab on the back of the throat delivering an instant hit of nicotine, they did the job of providing 10mg of nicotine over a 20 minute period if used non-stop. When used sparingly, after 2 hours the cartridge was useless unless you're into placebos!.
Of course, they lacked both flavour and vapour which is why I believe that e-cigs are so successful as a nicotine delivery method.
Now the way I understand things, the basis of the ban is on "unregulated" nicotine and also paraphernalia that is used to deliver "unregulated" nicotine.
Without being able to provide any definitive answers on what's allowed or not, I have an idea that's may be a compromise;
"Combining a government regulated nicotine delivery system with a personal vaporiser which provides flavour and vapour"
The point would be to only use a 0 nic mix of tobacco Essence in a base of PG or VG and combine it on the inhale with the nicotine purchased through "government regulated" sources.
Does any of this make sense yet?
Hi Guys, it's Ed from ciggy. As you may have seen, this ban has led me to close up shop.
I spent a lot of time yesterday & last night chatting with fellow e-smokers on the phone and have realised that I have a bit of fight left in me yet.
I don't believe trying to re-invent the wheel isn't going to change things but I'm hoping there may be a workable solution.
Prior to e-cigs, I had successfully given up analogues (for 14 months) using nicorette inhalers. (google "nicorette inhaler" to see what they look like and how they work).
They're harsh and in a word, clinical. They have a faint minty taste but more like an injection swab on the back of the throat delivering an instant hit of nicotine, they did the job of providing 10mg of nicotine over a 20 minute period if used non-stop. When used sparingly, after 2 hours the cartridge was useless unless you're into placebos!.
Of course, they lacked both flavour and vapour which is why I believe that e-cigs are so successful as a nicotine delivery method.
Now the way I understand things, the basis of the ban is on "unregulated" nicotine and also paraphernalia that is used to deliver "unregulated" nicotine.
Without being able to provide any definitive answers on what's allowed or not, I have an idea that's may be a compromise;
"Combining a government regulated nicotine delivery system with a personal vaporiser which provides flavour and vapour"
The point would be to only use a 0 nic mix of tobacco Essence in a base of PG or VG and combine it on the inhale with the nicotine purchased through "government regulated" sources.
Does any of this make sense yet?
That could well be a nice little loophole.
It seems more realistic than getting e-liquid to be government regulated.
It seems more realistic than getting e-liquid to be government regulated.
Hi Ed, as I said on the phone I think this is a fantastic idea. Obviously it will be more expensive, but still a viable solution for us addicts looking for healthier alternatives. As my level of nicotine requirement is quite high at this stage, I'm visualising an 801 with 6-8 nicotine inhalers strapped to it, sort of "Dirty Harry" style .
I'm quite willing to participate in any trials, please send me hazardous amounts at your leisure
.I'm quite willing to participate in any trials, please send me hazardous amounts at your leisure
gidday ED , its a shame youve had to close up shop so soon , gonna miss that local presence for sure
im not too sure how far these laws are going to be taken but if any one can find a workaround it would be good
oh and er solution42 your wish of
"visualising an 801 with 6-8 nicotine inhalers strapped to it"
with some parts supplied im willing to make that a reality
ive made a twin 901 atomiser unit that is quite "cloudy " cough cough
im not too sure how far these laws are going to be taken but if any one can find a workaround it would be good
oh and er solution42 your wish of
"visualising an 801 with 6-8 nicotine inhalers strapped to it"
with some parts supplied im willing to make that a reality
ive made a twin 901 atomiser unit that is quite "cloudy " cough cough
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Thanks guys, I'm really hoping not to give up either.
When I switched to e-cigs, I still had a few nicorette inhalers left. Enough to experiment with so I made up a crude prototype.
Utilising the nicorette provided mouthpiece and cartridge, I attached it to the top of a DSE103 (with 2 hole atomiser) to see if I could draw vapour through a spent nicorette cartridge.
I was surprised that it worked although the draw was notably harder, I could even taste the menthol e-liquid through it.
I had a play around with photoshop this morning to create a concept image of how it would look & work.
I think the idea would be to purchase an utilise the nicorette inhaler kit as much as possible and then, in keeping with it's clinical looks - adapt the inner workings of a sealed cart, atomiser & auto battery along with an LED to show charge and use.
With Di's suggestion, I've named this: Vaporette
Imagine a bunch of 80's gym clad babes in leg warmers and sweatbands jumping out from behind a tree chanting - Vaporette, Vaporette, Vapor up your Nicorette next time you reach for a boring old inhaler!
When I switched to e-cigs, I still had a few nicorette inhalers left. Enough to experiment with so I made up a crude prototype.
Utilising the nicorette provided mouthpiece and cartridge, I attached it to the top of a DSE103 (with 2 hole atomiser) to see if I could draw vapour through a spent nicorette cartridge.
I was surprised that it worked although the draw was notably harder, I could even taste the menthol e-liquid through it.
I had a play around with photoshop this morning to create a concept image of how it would look & work.
I think the idea would be to purchase an utilise the nicorette inhaler kit as much as possible and then, in keeping with it's clinical looks - adapt the inner workings of a sealed cart, atomiser & auto battery along with an LED to show charge and use.
With Di's suggestion, I've named this: Vaporette
Imagine a bunch of 80's gym clad babes in leg warmers and sweatbands jumping out from behind a tree chanting - Vaporette, Vaporette, Vapor up your Nicorette next time you reach for a boring old inhaler!
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Hahaa a few days ago I would have jumped on that kind offer mate
Unfortunately I'm now in a situation where I have to ration my depleting supplies. If my first shipment from China (the land of freedom LOL ) gets through in about a month, I'll chase it up though
Ed: I like it, for low nicotine doses it's a sure thing.
Thanks Di, there's a lot of hurdles to get over with this but as you know, I've started the ball rolling by registering the name and having some prototypes made up in the factory.
By the way, some idea of what to expect from nicorette...
They sell a starter kit in most pharmacies around Australia for AUD $6.90 consisting of a plastic case, 1x Inhaler & 6x 10mg cartridges.
A refill kit sells for AUD $39 and consists of 1x inhaler, 42 cartridges and no case.
The idea would be for the user to actually purchase this (the government regulated nicotine) themselves when required from their own pharmacy.
The concept as a retailer of this would be to not supply any unregulated nicotine or a device that could be used with unregulated nicotine.
By the way, some idea of what to expect from nicorette...
They sell a starter kit in most pharmacies around Australia for AUD $6.90 consisting of a plastic case, 1x Inhaler & 6x 10mg cartridges.
A refill kit sells for AUD $39 and consists of 1x inhaler, 42 cartridges and no case.
The idea would be for the user to actually purchase this (the government regulated nicotine) themselves when required from their own pharmacy.
The concept as a retailer of this would be to not supply any unregulated nicotine or a device that could be used with unregulated nicotine.
I know what you mean Ivan, when the dose get's too low it's not fun.
In my experience with the inhaler, I managed to cut down to only 1x 10mg cartridge in a day, I started to really get jittery and over analytical. Especially by the end of the night.
It was fine for me when I first started on 6 cartridges a day (60mg) but I was keen to cut down.
If what I've read was correct, regardless of the MG of Tar in an analogue, the average nicotine per smoke is 1mg?
It certainly substituted my pack of horizon menthol yellow 50's (around $17-$18 per pack at the time) with a good nic fix and worked out to an average of $6.50 per day.
But I really hated the clinical taste and missed my smoke rings!
In my experience with the inhaler, I managed to cut down to only 1x 10mg cartridge in a day, I started to really get jittery and over analytical. Especially by the end of the night.
It was fine for me when I first started on 6 cartridges a day (60mg) but I was keen to cut down.
If what I've read was correct, regardless of the MG of Tar in an analogue, the average nicotine per smoke is 1mg?
It certainly substituted my pack of horizon menthol yellow 50's (around $17-$18 per pack at the time) with a good nic fix and worked out to an average of $6.50 per day.
But I really hated the clinical taste and missed my smoke rings!
Ed, I've been reading a lot of legal stuff today, and came across this. You might want to check it out:
THERAPEUTIC GOODS ACT 1989 - SECT 42T Notifying of actual or potential tampering
I'm not sure if the device you're talking about would be considered to be "tampering with therapeutic goods". If you're just selling the device and allowing people to do their own 'tampering', you might be in the clear. Either way, I'd suggest talking to a lawyer before going ahead with it.
THERAPEUTIC GOODS ACT 1989 - SECT 42T Notifying of actual or potential tampering
I'm not sure if the device you're talking about would be considered to be "tampering with therapeutic goods". If you're just selling the device and allowing people to do their own 'tampering', you might be in the clear. Either way, I'd suggest talking to a lawyer before going ahead with it.
Good advice Luke, that's definitely one of the hurdles to overcome.
It would still allow a user vape 0 nic without a nicorette cartridge used or supplied but then that also begs the question of how to provide it so that only 0 nic could be used.
If it's seen as a delivery method for "unregulated" nicotine it would be banned as well.
I guess a loose analogy is that printer cartridges are marketed & sold without an obvious means to refill them (ie label over the refilling holes and no refilling kit supplied).
Perhaps that methodology could lend weight to the argument?
It would still allow a user vape 0 nic without a nicorette cartridge used or supplied but then that also begs the question of how to provide it so that only 0 nic could be used.
If it's seen as a delivery method for "unregulated" nicotine it would be banned as well.
I guess a loose analogy is that printer cartridges are marketed & sold without an obvious means to refill them (ie label over the refilling holes and no refilling kit supplied).
Perhaps that methodology could lend weight to the argument?
Well..I have a 30ml bottle 0 nic cherry someone can trial with..
Bestcig has a glitch in the ordering section,definitely ordered 25mg or there abouts, but adding to cart switched it to 0...or would I end up where my great great grandfather was, in Port Arthur for sending it through the mail.
Bestcig has a glitch in the ordering section,definitely ordered 25mg or there abouts, but adding to cart switched it to 0...or would I end up where my great great grandfather was, in Port Arthur for sending it through the mail.
The problem is to get the goverments to allow the device per se without nicotine, for a lot of people is not only the nicotine craving the 100% of the adiction, the hand to mouth action+inhaling slowly and exhaling+the flavor+the visual efect of the "smoke" dancing around+the nicotine, makes from my point of view the 100% of the adiction, a friend of mine quit nicotine using patches and e-vaporizer with 0% nic, now she is free of nicotine and she still vapes (she is not a criminal, here you can use it, but can't import or produce it :S).
I think banning e-cigs because they contain nicotine is pretty stupid. I think ecigs are immediately condemned because it looks just like smoking regular cigarettes, and it seems to go against the bans that have already been enacted to combat cigarettes. Nicotine doesn't appear to cause any health concerns greater than those also caused by things like food high in cholesterol or fat. What's next, banning overeating? banning energy drinks? Sure it's poisonous in certain quantities, but so are a lot of products that are already in our houses.
I can't believe this ****, how can they ban something like e-cigarettes when cancer causing cigarettes are permitted? It just doesn't make sense.
what about wicked and jc and others,
are any of them regulated,
would our gov accept them as regulated,
Di ......
are any of them regulated,
would our gov accept them as regulated,
Di ......
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