Authentic makers sueing Cloners?

[dr g]

How many chips, processors, boards, parts ON those boards, etc are made in the United States? You're in for a shock.

Tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands. Two of the longest existing and most popular regulated boards/systems are US made. The components are 100% legally made, fully licensed as required, and guaranteed legally sourced.

How many Chinese boards infringe on those US boards and technology? You're in for a shock.

 

[Circa Survivor]

Some folks are handling it in an entirely new way. Hats off to ZEN. Brilliant
SEND IN THE CLONES! *NEW*

Good idea, but $99? That's awfully steep. The board is $50 (which is honestly no different from the clone boards) and $49 to install it? Not to mention the shipping costs. Why does this old fart need so much money?

 

[Thejack1]

Oh, I don't know, but I suspect for Zen, it's not about the $

 

[dr g]

Good idea, but $99? That's awfully steep. The board is $50 (which is honestly no different from the clone boards) and $49 to install it? Not to mention the shipping costs. Why does this old fart need so much money?

Lol you are so clueless it's funny. Try to get a professional modder to install a dna board in anything for $49.

 

[Thejack1]

Lol you are so clueless it's funny. Try to get a professional modder to install a dna board in anything for $49.

I also think it's a pretty good value.

 

[Circa Survivor]

Lol you are so clueless it's funny. Try to get a professional modder to install a dna board in anything for $49.

A "professional" modder? LOL

 

[bluecat]

So again, calling clone buyers thieves.. Or, at the very least, aiding and abetting crime..

A theft cannot be made until ownership is proven. If these companies do not have a patent/trademark/copyright on file (or pending/started) there is no way to prove ownership. I was thinking about this last night. It is similar to insurance. We buy insurance to protect or assets in case something happens to them. The inventors patent/trademark/copyright their "insert whatever" to protect them. It is like they do not want to purchase the insurance yet reap all the benefits.

Some spoke of moral and ethical obligations. Aren't these companies just foregoing the same moral/ethical obligation that they speak of.

 

[dr g]

A "professional" modder? LOL

Yeah you know, people who do it for a living. Like, people actually making and selling popular mods in the US. And, like the people who work for Zen. You know, people who know what they are doing and can't do subpar work and survive.

A theft cannot be made until ownership is proven. If these companies do not have a patent/trademark/copyright on file (or pending/started) there is no way to prove ownership. I was thinking about this last night. It is similar to insurance. We buy insurance to protect or assets in case something happens to them. The inventors patent/trademark/copyright their "insert whatever" to protect them. It is like they do not want to purchase the insurance yet reap all the benefits.

Some spoke of moral and ethical obligations. Aren't these companies just foregoing the same moral/ethical obligation that they speak of.

Copyright exists on creation. Trademark exists on use in commerce.

 

[Circa Survivor]

Yeah you know, people who do it for a living. Like, people actually making and selling popular mods in the US. And, like the people who work for Zen. You know, people who know what they are doing and can't do subpar work and survive.



Copyright exists on creation. Trademark exists on use in commerce.

Ya, their living must have started 4-5 years ago.... Give me a break. These guys started making mods to make some easy cash. They didn't dream of being mod makers. They saw what was going on, and stuck their greedy hands in the cash pile.

 

[bluecat]

I may be wrong but glass bottles and plastic bottles are the same shape and thus covered under the same protection laws. The shape is recognized the world over.

I would think mods such as the virtus cv1 would certainly qualify as unique simply by its shape.

Maurice

Then what about the aluminum can? Heck every soda and beer company uses the same size and shape, just with different covering on them. If they are different sizes, then I am not aware.

 

[snork]

A theft cannot be made until ownership is proven. If these companies do not have a patent/trademark/copyright on file (or pending/started) there is no way to prove ownership. I was thinking about this last night. It is similar to insurance. We buy insurance to protect or assets in case something happens to them. The inventors patent/trademark/copyright their "insert whatever" to protect them. It is like they do not want to purchase the insurance yet reap all the benefits.

Some spoke of moral and ethical obligations. Aren't these companies just foregoing the same moral/ethical obligation that they speak of.

Some modders do retain lawyers, hold patents and register their trademarks. They take crap for that too.

 

[bluecat]

Yeah you know, people who do it for a living. Like, people actually making and selling popular mods in the US. And, like the people who work for Zen. You know, people who know what they are doing and can't do subpar work and survive.



Copyright exists on creation. Trademark exists on use in commerce.

No, not in the eyes of the law. If you have two people that have the same item. Each takes the other to court. The court will side with the one that has registered. Other than that.. you will get laughed out of court. Or it will be an expensive legal fight that will take ages.

Go to an investor to get money for a startup product. What will be the first question they ask? I wonder why...

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Ya, their living must have started 4-5 years ago.... Give me a break. These guys started making mods to make some easy cash. They didn't dream of being mod makers. They saw what was going on, and stuck their greedy hands in the cash pile.

But yet...you still want the products that they create. Why does this not Jive up? Why aren't you using carts filled with aquarium foam? Because these greedy money grubbing modders advanced the technology so that you can use what you use today. If anyone is greedy, it's the cloners. They invest nothing, and take everything. But yet somehow they are the saviors. I just don't understand that.

 

[dr g]

No, not in the eyes of the law.

Cite the laws.

 

[Technonut]

Ya, their living must have started 4-5 years ago.... Give me a break. These guys started making mods to make some easy cash. They didn't dream of being mod makers. They saw what was going on, and stuck their greedy hands in the cash pile.

So, do you feel that way about your REO, and the man who made it? What's so special about an aluminum box that enticed you to spend around $150.00 for it? Let me guess... Because there's not a clone available?

 

[bluecat]

Some modders do retain lawyers, hold patents and register their trademarks. They take crap for that too.

I have no issue with that. Good for them. Then they have a legal basis to stand on. I only know of 3. I wouldn't give them crap. I was with a client of mine while he went through a patent type issue. He spent upwards of 25k on it. Made a ton of money. Until someone stole it. He sued. Even after the 25k+ on a patent and attorney fees he lost. Dude still has his dream though. One thing about inventors, their minds work much different than others. Always thinking of the new prize.

My only beef with this is many of the devices are so similar it will be hard to distinguish. It is almost like they stole from the first then added their logo or a different switch to call it their own. Yes I know I am simplifying it to a degree. I just think they are all fakes of fake to a degree. Now we are squabbling about $200 fakes vs $20 dollar fakes, yet no one wants to call the $200 one fakes.

 

[bluecat]

Cite the laws.

Which one.. copyright..trademark..patent.. Also which eyes should I cite?

(edited) And your are correct about trademarks and patents. (missed your prior post) There are many written laws on the books that no one enforces or can't be enforced.

My point was go into the courts without anything registered and see how far you get.

You would also know how many are registered or seeking registration that cannot be enforced for one reason or another. Maybe 10% of them actually are "good".

 

[bluecat]

And how much would that cost, how much of that cost would you be willing to pay?

If your buying a clone now, you certainly aren't the likes that could afford a patented authentic mod.

The everyone but me attitude makes me I'll.

Maurice

Actually that is a bunch of hogwash and you know it. To say I can not afford an original when you do not even know me is just plain stupid at any level. In fact I can buy any original out there if I so choose. I have the means and finances to get pretty much anything I want. I am also a smart minded guy and realize that it is silly to think that way. I put the max in my retirement. I investment my money. I do not make frivolous purchases. I also give to those charities that I so deem worthy. I am a sucker for Children type charities. I use most of the money I make to provide for a life of my kids that I did not have growing up. I ask nothing of anyone and give until I can't anymore. So please come down of your high horse with the rest of the country.

To answer your first question, a lot. Would I pay it? No. It is not my line of business.

I also do not feel these are worth 200 bucks. You may think otherwise. Go for it, man.

Your words belie your intentions.

 

[Circa Survivor]

So, do you feel that way about your REO, and the man who made it? What's so special about an aluminum box that enticed you to spend around $150.00 for it? Let me guess... Because there's not a clone available?

Show me another bottom feeding mech mod similar to a Reo, that's also located in the U.S.

 

[Vermonster13]

Ignorance is bliss.