So you want all production of everything you buy to go to China so you can pay less for your goods. Seriously?
So manufacturing in Europe and America stops and everything is imported from China. Are you sure that's what you want?
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So you want all production of everything you buy to go to China so you can pay less for your goods. Seriously?
So manufacturing in Europe and America stops and everything is imported from China. Are you sure that's what you want?
i have known 3 people that have bought one and im pretty good friends with a few people that work at the local shop here and they got a shipment of them in and went through them, the biggest defect ive seen/heard of has been the locking ring not sitting flush on some of them which is purely an aesthetic flaw. true some could be totally bogus but on the other hand so can an authentic and from what some have said in this thread, some companies wont give any support if something is wrong with it.
and i just realized something, JDTech is a company from the Philippines... my clone didn't take crap away from the US economy lol.
But you fail to address the point that your clone purchase did take away from an original modder somewhere. And you purchase supported a company (no matter from where) that stole a logo and is capitalizing off someone else's design and logo. Again is it ok to steal Pirated music or movies? If you believe it is than we will just have to agree to disagree... further the Stingray X is not sold out everywhere to my knowledge so that argument does not work either.
i didn't deny that but most people been saying how by buying clones we are taking murican jobs from murica, but those of us that by clones of foreign mods are not, and honestly i don't care too much about the american economy why would i care about a foreign economy? the little bit of money i will spend in my life will not even make a dent in saving the economy and its the Gov not the people that screwed it up so they can save it. i don't care about the US mod makers that did not protect their intellectual properties so why would i care about a foreign one that failed to do the same? there fault not mine, not my concern.
and i do download tv shows when i forget to record them on the DVR, but can't DVR recording also be considered piracy? if you keep it saved you just got the show/movie for nothing (as long as you stick with that cable company that is) sure its a chain of my money going to the company, to the networks, to the producers or whoever with the studio but that's how it also worked before DVR, i didn't pay for the movie and i now have it and without DVR i would have had to go buy it, or rent it. and with my company i can have up to 5 more DVR's at no extra cost so i can have quite a bit of storage for shows and movies i would never have to pay for lol.
Alright well you have it all figured out.. its not like each of our "small" expenditures do not add up. All your actions are in a vacuum and the sum does not add up to the whole. You pay for your service that allows you to DVR shows and movies and some of that money goes to the production company and everyone that worked to make that show or movie. When you illegally download that movie or show you are not giving anything to the people that worked to produce it. It is a shame you do not care about the American economy or that of the world economy that kind of ambivalence only helps to prolong everyone's problem. But I am assuming you are independently wealthy since your livelyhood does not depend on any economy. I wish I were you.
the sarcasm is strong in you!
i may not have all that figured out but my aunt that worked for PG&E for years at least explained that to me, not sure if it still applies but i assume it does, and yea our small expenditures do add up over a long period of time, and how long has our economy been suffering? lets just say a while lol (with little to no success at making it better). my $40 clone mod however had no bearing on that what so ever, and i make plenty of american made purchases if we want to get into that, like my $9000 Harley XR1200x which thankfully i still have, i wont get into that lol. i only wear DC Shoes (which are around $50 - $100 each pair and i went though 2-3 pairs a year skating), an american company founded by one of my favorite skateboard entrepreneurs Rob Dyrdek. the skateboards ($60 a deck and 3-5 decks a year) i bought were all american made before i broke my ankle in a motorcycle accident and couldn't skate anymore.
reason i payed the premium for those and didn't get "clones" was because there is a noticeable difference in quality and performance with stuff like automotive vehicles, a metal tube is a freakin metal tube and i have already stated that if it didn't have the logos i would have still bought it cause the color scheme is cool and it performs just as well as the authentic, or are you going to say JDTech has the rights on using blackSS, SS and Copper? again they did not protect there intellectual rights so its not a crime to clone it, there is nothing law based preventing it because they didn't do their due diligence. again their fault not mine.
and on the subject of logos my friend Alex that works at my local shop is a great artist and i am going to have him paint the fading gold plated pieces of my maraxus clone, and on the fire button i am going to ask him if he can get a coat on it to cover the logo and serial # and put the face of a cartoon character i like over it, i really don't care about the logo, if it was an authentic i may feel differently but probably not, the stingray x logo is cool, but if i had just a black metal tube with SS and Copper accents i would still like it just as much. point is its the company "stealing" as you see it a logo that was not protected under the law, im not the one that put it on there lol but i am going to use my god given right as an american to spend my money on what i view to be a better deal, if that be a clone with matching logos thats just as good as the authentic that is not protected by the law then that is my right.
Well I politely have to agree to disagree with you.. we will not see eye to eye and that is ok. You have justified in your mind your decisions and that works for you. I feel you are making excuses and contriving reality one metal tube is in fact not the same as every other metal tube. Just like A skateboard deck is not just a skateboard deck. ( I love Rob D.) You claim in earlier posts the government is useless but then you claim since Authentic modders have not filled out proper paperwork with the same incompetent government then it is their fault so therefore you can chose to buy the stolen logos? Really? Ok you have created your reality and I will certainly not be able to make a dent in that kind of logic
no one metal tube is not like each one and i didn't say that, but in the case of the stingray x the clone is just as good as the authentic and i never once compared it with any other mod/metal tube, with skateboard decks there are many different ways to make a deck (and they were all no more than $60 but great difference in flexibility and durability), not very many ways to make a metal tube. and yes i think the Gov is useless but if they want legal benefits then the Gov is what they have to deal with, i never said they would solve anything, you are one of the people that has been throwing "law" into peoples faces that are ok with clones but when law is taken out you mash together different comments i made to suit your argument? really? cant argue with that kind of logic
Nope I have not been one of the people throwing law into the debate... Quite the contrary read all of my posts I am pretty clear I do not really care one whit about the law. I care about the heath of our industries economy. I care about about rewarding risk taking and new modifications done by people who will earn a modest return for doing so. I care about new vapers getting the quality of mod they think they are paying for. I care about modders being able to make some money off of new ideas and thereby taking the chance of making a new mod. I believe creators deserve to be compensated for their work and I believe in capitalism people deserve to make a profit. I have been really consistent in that regard Apparently you would like to label me without really reading my posts.
well i apologize then, i have read every post, but its hard to keep it all straight with 127 pages lol
So you want all production of everything you buy to go to China so you can pay less for your goods. Seriously?
So manufacturing in Europe and America stops and everything is imported from China. Are you sure that's what you want?
We are talking about ecigarettes right? If so yes, theres no advantages of them being batch produced in the west
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this getting very interesting.i think its a problem of perception.
clone v authentic can go on forever.
the problem as i see it the clone makers are basically saying here's our clone
of Bobs duck call please buy it. wrong approach.
now if they said here's our new Freds duck call compare to the performance
of Bobs duck call.that may be perfectly legal.
the reason they don't take the second approach is they know that buyers want
that Bobs duck call and all the mystique that goes with it.
three or four people have mentioned in this thread they own clones and never
misrepresent them when asked about them.
this is very admirable.
how ever the vast majority of the people that buy clones don't say
"hey, look at my Bobs duck call clone" they say"hey,look at my Bobs duck call".
if pressed they might say its a clone.
i don't hold anything against those that have bought clones.
the past is the past.these things always come up in a new and emerging market.
as the market matures(if it is allowed too) it will be interesting to see what the
attitudes of the buyers and makers is five years down the road.
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mike
clone v authentic can go on forever.
the problem as i see it the clone makers are basically saying here's our clone
of Bobs duck call please buy it. wrong approach.
now if they said here's our new Freds duck call compare to the performance
of Bobs duck call.that may be perfectly legal.
the reason they don't take the second approach is they know that buyers want
that Bobs duck call and all the mystique that goes with it.
three or four people have mentioned in this thread they own clones and never
misrepresent them when asked about them.
this is very admirable.
how ever the vast majority of the people that buy clones don't say
"hey, look at my Bobs duck call clone" they say"hey,look at my Bobs duck call".
if pressed they might say its a clone.
i don't hold anything against those that have bought clones.
the past is the past.these things always come up in a new and emerging market.
as the market matures(if it is allowed too) it will be interesting to see what the
attitudes of the buyers and makers is five years down the road.
regards
mike
What is the exact "innovation" or utility patent in question do you know?
I've wondered about this. I'm a member of some watch forums, and this kind of thing is a sticky subject over there, too (except where "replicas" are actually the topic). They are commonly referred to as "fakes".
I have no qualms as to clones being advertised and sold as clones, and you know they are clones by looking at them. But there are some RBAs (Kayfun and the Kraken come to mind) where some copy everything right down to every last laser-etched word on the thing. Isn't that a bit much, though? I mean why go through so much trouble making a copy right down to those details, unless you are TRYING to mislead?
It's one thing to imitate, and imitate very closely (like the K2 Snake versus the Fluid Flask 3mL, just as an example) - and quite another to blatantly outright copy something. But, if your country does not recognize trademark and copyright laws.....I dunno if that makes it all okay.
My $.02 on it.
I have no qualms as to clones being advertised and sold as clones, and you know they are clones by looking at them. But there are some RBAs (Kayfun and the Kraken come to mind) where some copy everything right down to every last laser-etched word on the thing. Isn't that a bit much, though? I mean why go through so much trouble making a copy right down to those details, unless you are TRYING to mislead?
It's one thing to imitate, and imitate very closely (like the K2 Snake versus the Fluid Flask 3mL, just as an example) - and quite another to blatantly outright copy something. But, if your country does not recognize trademark and copyright laws.....I dunno if that makes it all okay.
My $.02 on it.
I expected better than that.
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Aaanyway...
Open System Vaporizers Officially Overtake E-Cigs, Top $1 Billion in Sales for the First-Time Ever
Selling 1k mods that cost at most $50 to make for $250 isn't enough? How can you claim that if vendors are never able to keep them in stock? Seems to me that the market (you know, capitalism that you seem to like) is doing what the market does, finding an unfilled market and filling it with clones.
Seems to me you're loving the free market when it's in America, but not when it's in China. How is it the market's fault that these mod makers won't up their production even while raking in massive 300%+ profits? Just like most American 'free-marketers, you love capitalism as long as it's your brand of capitalism, but when the actual free market rears it's ugly head, you go screaming to mommy that there aren't enough protections for the authentic modders.
I posit that the authentic modders are making pretty damned good money and that they are capable of fixing the problem by upping supply. But no, they're typical americans who want to get more for less. And China says, emphatically, "no".
Depends on how one looks at it. What is 2 billion of 60+ trillion? My guess a drop in the bucket.
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