No, a 1:1 copy with the original make's logo on it and markings or packaging that claim it's made in the original maker's country is not an "alternative", it's a RIP-OFF! It's fine to make a cheaper work-alike, but you don't put the original maker's name and logo on it, and you don't misrepresent where it's made.
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It's not charity, it's business.. Many of these maker's are of course in it for the $$ I suspect.. I don't have the illusion that many are into it to get people off of the stinkies..They actually designed and produced their mods, and expect compensation for them. If their price wasn't acceptable, they would be sitting on a stack of unsalable product. That's not the case though.
Also, there is no social status involved on my end.. It's quite simple to me.. The mod-maker designed and produced the mod.. I find something appealing about the mod, decide to purchase the mod, and then I PAY THE MAN!! The $$ is going exactly where it's supposed to go.. In the maker's / designer's pocket. Not into pockets of the companies which counterfeit them.
And 250$ for a tube and a logo is a RIP-OFF. What's your point? You're ok with buying authentics, im ok with it if they are reasonably priced, which most arent. Im not arguing the ethics regarding a clone using logos. I am arguing that there is a huge demand, and small supply from the majority of mod makers. China is filling the gap.
If you really believed that, you would refuse to buy or use a clone that has the original maker's logo on it. After all, he's ripping people off!
I actually dont use mechs at all. The only one i have is a smok-e mountain vanilla(authentic) and i am very unimpressed with the vape. Like i said, im not arguing over the ethics of a logo. But then again, thats all they have going for them, since its still just a modified flashlight tube made to look pretty.If you really believed that, you would refuse to buy or use a clone that has the original maker's logo on it. After all, he's ripping people off!
If you read my post properly (i know its long soz lol) you'd know its nothing to do with wanting charity.
Also, there is no social status involved on my end.. It's quite simple to me.. The mod-maker designed and produced the mod.. I find something appealing about the mod, decide to purchase the mod, and then I PAY THE MAN!! The $$ is going exactly where it's supposed to go.. In the maker's / designer's pocket. Not into pockets of the companies which counterfeit them.
I fully hear that and respect your opinion, as we're on 2 different sides of the coin i guess we could discuss this forever. My sentiment is simple, if i can buy something as good or better then the original at 80% off and readily available, i will.
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Must not be looking very hard.. Are you going to buy one now?
https://eshop.atmomixani.gr/en/10-nemesis-devices
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Hey thanks for the links. I've been looking on that site for an authentic and only seen the mini version. Guess you gotta bookmark it and check it daily. Looks like I'm FINALLY getting an authentic nemmy. Can't go wrong with those. I got an HCigar copper one and it's my workhorse. Design is great but I wish they made one with a recessed button and a locking switch that doesn't take a million turns to lock and unlock, but hey if it ain't broke don't fix it.
I could sell you pretty much anything you want for 80% off the price of the original -- provided I steal it.
My sentiment is simple: I don't steal and I don't buy stuff that's been stolen.
New technology takes time, effort, R&D, equipment, testing, and thus $$$$ to bring new technology to market.....and some have no issue with cloning it.... an example I can now share with you...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...owners-discussion-thread-18.html#post14264557
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...owners-discussion-thread-18.html#post14264557
If not you i bet others taking the moral high ground with vapegear have downloaded music or movies, jailbroken their iphone, bought a product from a company using illicit practices or something similar lol. Each to their own tho bud
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It's not ok to steal the design either, that's arguably the worst infringement. Don't know why there is a widespread belief that it's fine to steal a design wholesale if you just don't put logos and names on it.
Simple. The "design" is still a battery holding tube. Theres been close to no innovation in the mech mod world other than connectors, and locking rings. They are all the same stuff, with the exception of aesthetics and specific material composition.
Although I generally agree with this sentiment, designs are a more of a gray area than maker's names, logos, and false country-of-origin markings. How does a consumer (or even someone who wants to produce legitimate, lower-cost alternative) know what is and is not original about a design?
Well, I think many of the folks here have pretty much come to the conclusion that these mechanical tube mods are all basically of the same design ... A tube is a tube, and the top cap and bottom cap / fire button varies slightly, but not much between the various mods. I personally don't think these Chinese manufacturers are really "cloning" much of anything when it comes to mechanical mod "design".
Now when they engrave the original manufacturers logos / designs and names on the clone ... Sure, that's just morally wrong ... and it's legally wrong if the original manufacturer has a copyright on there intellectual property (ie: logos).
At least, with the majority of mechanical mods, these Chinese companies (and there distributors) are at least advertising them as "Clones" right from the get-go. There not hiding anything ... What's really bad is when they manufacture fake items such as clearomizer coils and various batteries and market them as "originals" ... That's the real problem that needs to stop!
Ah, the old battery in a tube cop out.
It's fair enough to say that there are a lot of relatively simple mech mods out there, but to imply there hasn't been innovation and refinement in mechanical mod design over the past several years is just ignorant.
Or, how many will throw all their clearos away if they found out that the company they bought their (name brand device) from had not paid Hon Lik for the use of his design. Seams like a dirty little secret.
Another inconvenient truth is it IS NOT THEFT if the buyer is unaware of the item being stolen. This is an absolute prerequisite for being charged for the possession of stolen property. So, it's OK if you keep your clearo.
I see much of this as pure self importance.
Please enlighten me on this innovation and refinement you speak of. And please dont use the old "switch is designed differently" cop out.
Thought that was the point of a discussion and argument. I'm not going to change youre mind any more than you're going to change mine. But perspective does wonders into understanding the thought process, even if we are still in disagreement.
So you're going to call him out for using a "cop out" but just say he's too stubborn to change his mind when he calls you out to explain your point? Seems legit.
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