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Authentic makers sueing Cloners?
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this post should be a sticky. No more clone vs. authentic arguement ever again. If you can't understand how it works after this example, you will never figure it out and are 99 percent responsible for all the world's problems.
Just caught up on this thread. Lemme get this straight. If a person cannot afford an authentic mod for whatever reason, they should just accept their lot in life and be relegated to blister pack eGo's forever. But if a mod maker doesn't have the business sense to get their intellectual property protected, they should still be afforded that protection. Got it. Makes perfect sense.
You guys crack me up. 
You know, I understand the desire to own nice, original stuff. I also understand why people don't like clones. I went to college and I understand that plagiarism is bad, bad, bad. I also don't fault builders for charging what the market will bare. If I had a full time job, the chances are, that's I'd own at least one high-end mod. But when you all start taking about R&D costs and different grades of SS, give me a break. These are battery holders we are talking about, not cars, not aircraft and not fine art or jewelery. There's not much engineering and design involved in these things. The grade of metal being used seems to be appropriate for the use, after all, it's a BATTERY HOLDER! As long as it doesn't cause excessive voltage drop, rust, deform or get scratched easy, I'm a happy camper. The truth is, the quality of some cheap crap can be pretty good these days. Now if you're talking APVs, I'm not a fan of some of the electronics coming out of China, but battery holders, they aren't all that bad.
You know, I understand the desire to own nice, original stuff. I also understand why people don't like clones. I went to college and I understand that plagiarism is bad, bad, bad. I also don't fault builders for charging what the market will bare. If I had a full time job, the chances are, that's I'd own at least one high-end mod. But when you all start taking about R&D costs and different grades of SS, give me a break. These are battery holders we are talking about, not cars, not aircraft and not fine art or jewelery. There's not much engineering and design involved in these things. The grade of metal being used seems to be appropriate for the use, after all, it's a BATTERY HOLDER! As long as it doesn't cause excessive voltage drop, rust, deform or get scratched easy, I'm a happy camper. The truth is, the quality of some cheap crap can be pretty good these days. Now if you're talking APVs, I'm not a fan of some of the electronics coming out of China, but battery holders, they aren't all that bad.
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I agree, great company. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/super-t-manufacturing/593757-other-thoughts-clones-counterfeits.html
Nonsense. If you smoked, you can afford an authentic mod. There are plenty of inexpensive authentic mods. In fact, there is a thread around here with a list of authentic mods priced under $100.
How do you know some of them don't? Patents can take two or three years to be granted. In the meantime if someone overseas clones their product there isn't much they can do. As fast as this industry moves, by the time the patent is granted almost everyone has moved on to other, newer products.
Steel is steel... Even that old 'junk metal' can be smelted and made pure again. However, we are talking about steel alloys, and in this case, 304 is 304 and 316 is 316. There will be small variations depending on the mill, but the minimum and maximum amounts of each metal in the steel is a worldwide standard.
this post should be a sticky. No more clone vs. authentic arguement ever again. If you can't understand how it works after this example, you will never figure it out and are 99 percent responsible for all the world's problems.
No.. that was silly.
No, no, no.. If you cant afford a mod, you should sell blood or beg on a street corner so people who CAN afford mods can yell at you to 'Get a job! Bum!'
The rest of the world use to say the same about us 50 years ago..
You know, I read this a lot and I think, while it's somewhat true, it's also true that many people of limited means, because of their addition to cigarettes, spent money on smokes that should have gone to other things. I know, when I was a kid, I'd buy cigarettes before, things like nourishing food. So, given cheaper alternatives, I can't fault people on limited budgets for taking advantage of those.
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I'd laugh at them for buying an overpriced, outdated vaporizer.You'll give some of the Provari people a near stroke talking like that.
this post should be a sticky. No more clone vs. authentic arguement ever again. If you can't understand how it works after this example, you will never figure it out and are 99 percent responsible for all the world's problems.
Well, steel is an alloy, there are lots of steels, thousands of steels to be close to correct. More are developed as the need for differing qualities come into being.
Each grade has what amounts to a recipe, at least this much of a couple elements and not more than a few others with iron generally taking up the remainder.
To say that all 304 steel is the same is an illusion to the reality of how things work in the real world. Low quality 304 aside high quality 304 is going to result in very obvious differences.
SciTech Connect: Metallurgical evaluation of recycled stainless steel
Is just one paper that speaks to how a grade of steel meets minimum specs but isn't really good for all applications needing that type of steel.
Basically this paper says the steels tested are kinda junky versions of the standard. Sort of like that guy that comes to work and does just enough to not get fired, yep that's this in a nutshell.
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Which will work long after the Fastech clones have rusted to dust in the landfill...
I test steel at work all the time. PRC quality is different than US or European...
After all this debate, I must say that in practical terms, the pro-clone crowd is winning. Still going to be produced, and still going to be a market for them.
With all that said, I'm still happy clone makers are getting sued.
With all that said, I'm still happy clone makers are getting sued.
I missed something (yup, it happens). Which clone makers are being sued?
The waffle cloners Ryedan! Where have you been?!?
I missed something (yup, it happens
From VapingwithTwisted420 September 14 facebook page
Maurice
Hey! That first link is pretty much a perfect copy of the first mech mod I made. Still works to this day(over 3 years later), but I don't use it anymore. copper pipes tend to get funny looks. Especially copper pipes with parts sticking out of them.
I have my Provari that I LOVE, and I have a Logo-free EHPro Nemesis. For various reasons it was the absolute cheapest mod I could find, partially because of many reward points with madvapes. I personally don't give 2 shakes about value appreciation. I just needed something I could not feel bad about getting abused when the situation might lead to it. (Rough work stuff)
And while I may not have experience with a caravela, anyone proclaiming that a Nemesis is anything more than a metal tube with the worlds simplest switch design is kidding themselves.
Place yourself in this scenario:
You work for a large company that designed and produces a product. Heck you even helped design the product.You depend on your employment for your families financial security and your retirement planning. Life is good but then China decides to grab one of your products and makes a clone of your companies product and markets it at half the cost and tax free. China floods the market and their sales soar because of the price and after all this is a free market economy, right? All of a sudden your employment is terminated due to lack of sales and the company closes. As a consumer of the cloned product you may have benefited short-term from the cost savings you realized but in the long run what was the impact?
You work for a large company that designed and produces a product. Heck you even helped design the product.You depend on your employment for your families financial security and your retirement planning. Life is good but then China decides to grab one of your products and makes a clone of your companies product and markets it at half the cost and tax free. China floods the market and their sales soar because of the price and after all this is a free market economy, right? All of a sudden your employment is terminated due to lack of sales and the company closes. As a consumer of the cloned product you may have benefited short-term from the cost savings you realized but in the long run what was the impact?
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