Authentic makers sueing Cloners?

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One, I dont actually see a 'lawsuit'..?

Two, I, myself, am not whining about it. I am, however, pointing out the folly of it since they didnt even take the most basic measures to protect themselves.

Three, 'Who's whining?' Are you really serious with this one? I'm gonna take it that you are not, because to think that you are would just be too sad. :(

in the past this was true.the market is maturing.
it is clear that the business acumen is catching up with the newness and cool factors.

this discussion will not go away in the future. it will intensify as more companies become
mainstream in their business point of view.
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Are we actually turning this thread into a .... measuring contest over who parents their kids better? Honestly....

Bottom line is this: if you think clones are "unethical", that's cool, don't buy one. If you think they're okay, but them to your hearts content. Why does what other people prefer seem to have such an emotional impact on people? Is that really where our society is now, where other people's personal decisions, that have little to no impact on us at all, get people so emotionally invested?

Your right. I got off kilter. Sorry that is the parent in me.

Back to clone vs authentic.

Sorry OP.
 

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Are we actually turning this thread into a .... measuring contest over who parents their kids better? Honestly....

Bottom line is this: if you think clones are "unethical", that's cool, don't buy one. If you think they're okay, but them to your hearts content. Why does what other people prefer seem to have such an emotional impact on people? Is that really where our society is now, where other people's personal decisions, that have little to no impact on us at all, get people so emotionally invested?

Not exactly, the idea started out as a comment that our actions be them ethical or not effect our the kids we rear up to be adults.

Most tell kids not to copy answers off another students work, because it is not ethical.

But when your actions are the opposite, you in fact lose credibility and send a message that it is in fact okay to do exactly what you said not to do.

People like to blab on and on about how its not against the law to own or even make clones, that's all fine and good; the average person who does not go to school to study law really has no concept of the vast quantities of laws and how those laws interact with each other, or have any real experience in court to see how those laws are brought to use and interpreted by the courts.

What most all of us have is the ethical background our parents teach us or those bits of common knowledge we gather as we age.

In effect, laws are what get enforced when we violate them, but we tend to follow our ethics. Historically the courts do not accept ignorance of the law as a defense, yet only a very small portion of our society graduates from law school. So again, we operate on ethics.

It is unethical to copy another's work, it is equally unethical to support efforts to copy another's work.

In many cases it is also illegal to copy another's work, and the details of that are detailed out in many hundreds of laws around the world.

We all know that clones that come from countries such as China aren't likely going to cease existing or being created.

That some people are just fed up with it enough to take action is maybe just a first step in a greater effort against theft of designs in our industry.

Being pro authentic does not mean I'm wealthy, I'm certainly not rich and like many I live paycheck to paycheck, I have nice things, just not a whole lot of things.

I can't stop anyone from being pro clone, but I can say that being pro-authentic is an absolute pleasure. Its an ideology that helped me buy my first house at 22 and ten years later my second.

That's all really.
 

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Not exactly, the idea started out as a comment that our actions be them ethical or not effect our the kids we rear up to be adults.

Most tell kids not to copy answers off another students work, because it is not ethical.

But when your actions are the opposite, you in fact lose credibility and send a message that it is in fact okay to do exactly what you said not to do.

People like to blab on and on about how its not against the law to own or even make clones, that's all fine and good; the average person who does not go to school to study law really has no concept of the vast quantities of laws and how those laws interact with each other, or have any real experience in court to see how those laws are brought to use and interpreted by the courts.

What most all of us have is the ethical background our parents teach us or those bits of common knowledge we gather as we age.

In effect, laws are what get enforced when we violate them, but we tend to follow our ethics. Historically the courts do not accept ignorance of the law as a defense, yet only a very small portion of our society graduates from law school. So again, we operate on ethics.

It is unethical to copy another's work, it is equally unethical to support efforts to copy another's work.

In many cases it is also illegal to copy another's work, and the details of that are detailed out in many hundreds of laws around the world.

We all know that clones that come from countries such as China aren't likely going to cease existing or being created.

That some people are just fed up with it enough to take action is maybe just a first step in a greater effort against theft of designs in our industry.

Being pro authentic does not mean I'm wealthy, I'm certainly not rich and like many I live paycheck to paycheck, I have nice things, just not a whole lot of things.

I can't stop anyone from being pro clone, but I can say that being pro-authentic is an absolute pleasure. Its an ideology that helped me buy my first house at 22 and ten years later my second.


That's all really.

Yes, because it's all about having things and needing more room for all your things ¬_¬
 

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I can't stop anyone from being pro clone, but I can say that being pro-authentic is an absolute pleasure. Its an ideology that helped me buy my first house at 22 and ten years later my second.

That's all really.

Being 'pro-authentic' helped you buy your first home? I dont see that... Maybe 'Budgeting and being frugal with your money', but not 'pro-authentic'.
 

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Being 'pro-authentic' helped you buy your first home? I dont see that... Maybe 'Budgeting and being frugal with your money', but not 'pro-authentic'.

The mentality that goes along with being pro-authentic, I am frugal, but not a cheap person.

The way its going.. the 'battery tube' makers that wanna sell for over $100 had better step it up..

6-50W, 3-12v, .2-9.9ohm, bluetooth, AND an app.. :) SMOK Bec Pro 50 Watt Bluetooth Mod | Best Vape Deals

Oh, and made of 304 SS (ya, but is it real 304? :facepalm:)

$95

I saw that the other day, it supposedly has a mechanical mode as well.

Maurice
 

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The mentality that goes along with being pro-authentic, I am frugal, but not a cheap person.



I saw that the other day, it supposedly has a mechanical mode as well.

Maurice

With these kinds of things coming out, your mod "investment" is pretty much going to be non-existent in a few moths to a year. If anything you can have it melted down and get the few bucks that the scrap will be worth ;)
 

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With these kinds of things coming out, your mod "investment" is pretty much going to be non-existent in a few moths to a year. If anything you can have it melted down and get the few bucks that the scrap will be worth ;)
The Provari will hold its value, but the China junk clones won't.
 

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I'm by no means an elitist, and the phrase kind of cracks me up. When the scumbags in the Kryptonite/ECC video used the phrase I threw up a little in my mouth. Ok, I didn't. But it did really infuriate me. Thus, I won't ever buy a Kryptonite product again. They don't deserve my support, in my opinion. It's a fact that you won't EVER get an authentic anything for the same price as a clone. It's also a fact that I won't ever spend 3,4, or $500 on a mod. It's just never going to happen. but how about $100? Below are my vast collection of authentic "elitist" mods. From left to right, the Workhorse, the Flagship, the Antigo, and the Colonial. Each of them was $100 or less, brand new. (The Super t Workhorse is significantly less at $69.) I was right there on the pro clone side of things until this recent wave of good products at what I consider to be a fair price. Just sayin...there are options.



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I'm by no means an elitist, and the phrase kind of cracks me up. When the scumbags in the Kryptonite/ECC video used the phrase I threw up a little in my mouth. Ok, I didn't. But it did really infuriate me. Thus, I won't ever buy a Kryptonite product again. They don't deserve my support, in my opinion. It's a fact that you won't EVER get an authentic anything for the same price as a clone. It's also a fact that I won't ever spend 3,4, or $500 on a mod. It's just never going to happen. but how about $100? Below are my vast collection of authentic "elitist" mods. From left to right, the Workhorse, the Flagship, the Antigo, and the Colonial. Each of them was $100 or less, brand new. (The Super t Workhorse is significantly less at $69.) I was right there on the pro clone side of things until this recent wave of good products at what I consider to be a fair price. Just sayin...there are options.



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Sink me! That Antigo be real pretty.. Look at all that engravin'! 'n fer nah much doubloons :)
 

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The Provari will hold its value, but the China junk clones won't.

Oh my - A power statement..........that means Diddly Squat if you prefer Mechanical mods. :laugh:

Oh, and while I respect Provape and their products. Those type statements are just ignorant. I could care less if my eVics become supposedly worthless, as long as they keep working. Both are well on the way to (2) years and cost me a WHOPPING $37ea.:D
 

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Sink me! That Antigo be real pretty.. Look at all that engravin'! 'n fer nah much doubloons :)

yea thats really nice, my clone stillare would look nice on it lol (sorry i had to :) )

but really it does look awesome, so does the black one, may have to grab 1 of each when i start my new job. :)
 
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