Authentic makers sueing Cloners?

[Circa Survivor]

True but China did not create the unique button in the Poldiac or the original design of the Nemesis button, or contacts on the Chi, or the center pin of the In'zx, or putting magnets in the button instead of a spring, or the hybrid connection, or the DNA30, or the BF design of the REO and on and on and on. The tubes may all be metal tubes but there are so many other facets to mods. But I politely agree that you Circa and I will never agree on this topic does not mean I will not speak my mind as I hope you will as well the world is a far better place when all opinions are expressed freely

So a switch, pins, magnets, and tubes. Never seen these in machinery before :/

 

[jimbodaddy74]

I even have a clone of a Stratocaster. Came out of the same Japanese factory as a real Fender. Made from the same woods, using the same hardware. The difference? A tiny variation in the headstock design(because Fender had the business sense to get trademark protection), and $400 less.

Edit: about 30 second with a dremel, and the headstock variation is easily modified for those who really feel the need to look like a real Fender.

 

[samcm010]

So a switch, pins, magnets, and tubes. Never seen these in machinery before :/

Hahaha ok well you missed the regulated chip and before all those things you mentioned were ever added to our mods those companies did it at a risk to themselves so while you may have seem them in machinery before you did not see them in mods before the original creators added them.

 

[stevegmu]

Mechs are a very simple design and most are knock offs of each other. I say China make there own tube mods steal ideas like everyone else does and sell authentic Chinese mods. I would continue to use them being that most authentic mods are rarely available and way way over priced. I mean these are basically flashlights with a better contacts and 510 connector... who the heck would pay 200 for that.

If they are simply metal tubes, why copy the exact design of another?
People who used to smoke and know $200 is nothing compared to how much smoking costs...

 

[Ms82082]

I even have a clone of a Stratocaster. Came out of the same Japanese factory as a real Fender. Made from the same woods, using the same hardware. The difference? A tiny variation in the headstock design(because Fender had the business sense to get trademark protection), and $400 less.

Although they failed on this with late 80s fernandes basses as I have a p bass from fender Japanese factory made to same spec as fender 60s reissue.

 

[samcm010]

I even have a clone of a Stratocaster. Came out of the same Japanese factory as a real Fender. Made from the same woods, using the same hardware. The difference? A tiny variation in the headstock design(because Fender had the business sense to get trademark protection), and $400 less.

Edit: about 30 second with a dremel, and the headstock variation is easily modified for those who really feel the need to look like a real Fender.

Respectfully what does this address? Fender selling far more expensive items than mods had the financial ability to pay our government lots of money to protect their original design and it still got ripped off? Or the Japanese one is just as good?

 

[jimbodaddy74]

Although they failed on this with late 80s fernandes basses as I have a p bass from fender Japanese factory made to same spec as fender 60s reissue.

Mine is so far removed from its original state that the only part left on the guitar I bought in 1990 is the just the body. It's really more of a Frankensteinocaster now.

 

[Circa Survivor]

Hahaha ok well you missed the regulated chip and before all those things you mentioned were ever added to our mods those companies did it at a risk to themselves so while you may have seem them in machinery before you did not see them in mods before the original creators added them.

So they took a basic concept and claim they created it.

 

[samcm010]

If they are simply metal tubes, why copy the exact design of another?
People who used to smoke and know $200 is nothing compared to how much smoking costs...

Perfect truth about why counterfeit buyers arguing its the cost that justlfy's my buying them is just baloney. Everyone here who smoked spent far more every month on cigarettes then a moderately priced mod costs so the money aspect is just a reason to excuse the choice

 

[stevegmu]

So they took a basic concept and claim they created it.

I take it you don't work in manufacturing...

 

[samcm010]

So they took a basic concept and claim they created it.

face to palm... no they designed something new and added these ideas in combination to create something new.

 

[jimbodaddy74]

Respectfully what does this address? Fender selling far more expensive items than mods had the financial ability to pay our government lots of money to protect their original design and it still got ripped off? Or the Japanese one is just as good?

The point is if you don't take precautionary steps to protect your mark, you deserve the protection you don't get. Trademark fees are a worthwhile bit of money to give the government, if you wish to be afforded protection. Otherwise, it would be analogous to trying to buy homeowner's insurance after your house burns down.

Edit: another fine point is that I can make, and have made, just as much music on my Clone-O-Caster for a lot less $$$. Plus if it gets a ding or two(thousand) on the way, I'm not as bummed about it.

 

[samcm010]

I take it you don't work in manufacturing...

I also take it you would be happy if something you created was shared free of charge to everyone else in the world. Perhaps you believe musicians songs should be free for everyone to have I mean the musicians should not make any money for their songs right? They should perform for free? Come on you cannot believe that peoples innovations and hard work do not deserve to earn money for their efforts.

 

[Circa Survivor]

Perfect truth about why counterfeit buyers arguing its the cost that justlfy's my buying them is just baloney. Everyone here who smoked spent far more every month on cigarettes then a moderately priced mod costs so the money aspect is just a reason to excuse the choice

So you justify your purchase because you didn't spend as much on it as you did on smoking? Whatever floats your boat.

 

[stevegmu]

The point is if you don't take precautionary steps to protect your mark, you deserve the protection you don't get. Trademark fees are a worthwhile bit of money to give the government, if you wish to be afforded protection. Otherwise, it would be analogous to trying to buy homeowner's insurance after your house burns down.

The US government is going to sue PRC companies who make knockoffs of American made mods, as long as the mod company has their name, design trademarked?

 

[samcm010]

The point is if you don't take precautionary steps to protect your mark, you deserve the protection you don't get. Trademark fees are a worthwhile bit of money to give the government, if you wish to be afforded protection. Otherwise, it would be analogous to trying to buy homeowner's insurance after your house burns down.

But again China does not respect the trademarks and if you think the price of authentic mods is high now imagine if they had to pay all the fees to trademark each design and as fast as this industry is growing by the time the patent or trademark was approved it would have already been counterfeited. It is up to us as consumers in this burgeoning industry to try and support the modders and innovators and the point is 50% of us do not.

 

[Circa Survivor]

I also take it you would be happy if something you created was shared free of charge to everyone else in the world. Perhaps you believe musicians songs should be free for everyone to have I mean the musicians should not make any money for their songs right? They should perform for free? Come on you cannot believe that peoples innovations and hard work do not deserve to earn money for their efforts.

Completely different. I will never buy an authentic atty or an authentic tube mod. That's the way it is for me. Do what you want and I'll do what I want and we'll both be happy.

 

[Ms82082]

If they are simply metal tubes, why copy the exact design of another?
People who used to smoke and know $200 is nothing compared to how much smoking costs...

Sure if you have the money to spend or want to buy/ support mod maker go for it. I paid way less and get the same experience. I can't justify the purchase myself. China just needs to leave the design and names and logos off come up with there own if any and continue on making mods that stand up well at a reasonable price. There will always be room for high end mods and China mods in the market. Most who buy clones do so because they can't afford authentic mods and would not be in the market for high priced devices anyway.

 

[stevegmu]

I also take it you would be happy if something you created was shared free of charge to everyone else in the world. Perhaps you believe musicians songs should be free for everyone to have I mean the musicians should not make any money for their songs right? They should perform for free? Come on you cannot believe that peoples innovations and hard work do not deserve to earn money for their efforts.

Not sure what you mean. I quoted post 608, who obviously doesn't have any idea how things are made...

 

[stevegmu]

Sure if you have the money to spend or want to buy/ support mod maker go for it. I paid way less and get the same experience. I can't justify the purchase myself. China just needs to leave the design and names and logos off come up with there own if any and continue on making mods that stand up well at a reasonable price. There will always be room for high end mods and China mods in the market. Most who buy clones do so because they can't afford authentic mods and would not be in the market for high priced devices anyway.

Chinese companies make plenty of original cheap mods...