Authentic makers sueing Cloners?

[samcm010]

So you justify your purchase because you didn't spend as much on it as you did on smoking? Whatever floats your boat.

I justify it because I support creativity and originality and quality.. and you should be thanking me chances are you are using a clone whose idea was stolen from an Original I bought supporting the modder who created it. Chances are I will buy more authentic mods you will buy counterfeits of that would never have been created if I and other were not willing to buy the original

 

[Circa Survivor]

Chinese companies make plenty of original cheap mods...

And they make plenty of cheap clones. People want the design but don't want to pay full price. They don't care if it was based off someone else's design. That's the way it is. No need to turn your nose up at others. People like that turn potential vapers away from vaping and continue smoking.

 

[stevegmu]

And they make plenty of cheap clones. People want the design but don't want to pay full price. They don't care if it was based off someone else's design. That's the way it is. No need to turn your nose up at others. People like that turn potential vapers away from vaping and continue smoking.

Odd, I quit smoking before the clone craze, with eGos...

 

[samcm010]

And they make plenty of cheap clones. People want the design but don't want to pay full price. They don't care if it was based off someone else's design. That's the way it is. No need to turn your nose up at others. People like that turn potential vapers away from vaping and continue smoking.

Disagreeing with corporate theft is not the same as turning my nose up at others. I have never once ever turned off another vaper or caused anyone to continue smoking. Quite the contrary and I have helped many move to vaping while never purchasing a stolen logo.

 

[Circa Survivor]

I justify it because I support creativity and originality and quality.. and you should be thanking me chances are you are using a clone whose idea was stolen from an Original I bought supporting the modder who created it. Chances are I will buy more authentic mods you will buy counterfeits of that would never have been created if I and other were not willing to buy the original

I should thank you? Spoken like a true elitist. I'll thank China for making clones.

 

[rondasherrill]

My Provari and my Reo are authentics, and I'm glad I bought the originals, but for a metal tube that I don't care if it gets messed up, my clone Nemesis is perfect, and I won't feel bad about it.

 

[samcm010]

I should thank you? Spoken like a true elitist. I'll thank China for making clones.

Elitist not even close just stating facts if everyone were only willing to buy counterfeits there would be no new mods. I do not look down on you for only having clones I do not feel better than people who have inexpensive mods I could not care less what people spend on their mods. Do you really think I look down on the people I sell or trade mods to at reasonable prices? or do I think people whom I have bought mods from look down on me for getting a good dea? I have bought many of my mods at far lower than RRP and I am happy to have gotten a really good deal. How on earth do you come up with the statement I am Elitist?

 

[smokinGAVIN]

From a designers point of view cloning is wrong on so many levels.

First of all a lot of thought, research, time and trial and error goes into designing and manufacturing a product. That’s one thing that is stolen from you when your product is cloned. All cloners will do is replicate the item you worked so hard for.

After creating a product, you have to spend money to market your product and chances are you will have some stiff competition with similar products that are already out there. It will probably be a make or break situation before your product finally flies and when that happens that’s when you can get cloned. Cloners will ride on the popularity of your product and may even eventually outsell you. That is a huge loss of potential sales for you.

With regards to the patenting, it would take a long time to get a patent in your own country let alone getting patents in other countries you wish to sell to.

Yes China can make things cheap, why don’t they just design their own and pass it off cheap.
At least it will not be a clone and they are not stepping on anyones toes. I’m pretty sure they can corner the market if they do that.

 

[jimbodaddy74]

Spending more $$$ =/= getting a better quality product.

 

[jimbodaddy74]

Speaking to the "huge loss of potential sales". If a maker puts out a run of 1000, and doesn't intend to produce more, then they lose no potential sales once that 1000 has sold.

 

[Circa Survivor]

From a designers point of view cloning is wrong on so many levels.

First of all a lot of thought, research, time and trial and error goes into designing and manufacturing a product. That’s one thing that is stolen from you when your product is cloned. All cloners will do is replicate the item you worked so hard for.

After creating a product, you have to spend money to market your product and chances are you will have some stiff competition with similar products that are already out there. It will probably be a make or break situation before your product finally flies and when that happens that’s when you can get cloned. Cloners will ride on the popularity of your product and may even eventually outsell you. That is a huge loss of potential sales for you.

With regards to the patenting, it would take a long time to get a patent in your own country let alone getting patents in other countries you wish to sell to.

Yes China can make things cheap, why don’t they just design their own and pass it off cheap.
At least it will not be a clone and they are not stepping on anyones toes. I’m pretty sure they can corner the market if they do that.

They take the risks knowing China WILL clone it because clones of other products are available. They knew the risk, so I personally don't feel bad for them.

 

[samcm010]

Further how does one justify buying a product that was very likely made using child/ or ridiculously under paid labor.

 

[samcm010]

They take the risks knowing China WILL clone it because clones of other products are available. They knew the risk, so I personally don't feel bad for them.

you sir are a piece of work! Do you feel bad for the chinese worker making .50c a day or is that a wage you would be comfortable with? Or perhaps the children working in horrible conditions?

 

[smokinGAVIN]

There will always be risks but just think, if China keeps doing this and they probably will because the market supports it, the innovators may get tired of taking risks and just stop. What will happen to innovation?

Maybe a faster and more accessible patent system can cure this.

 

[samcm010]

They take the risks knowing China WILL clone it because clones of other products are available. They knew the risk, so I personally don't feel bad for them.

I suppose I have to applaud you because you are at least very consistent in your beliefs

 

[jimbodaddy74]

you sir are a piece of work! Do you feel bad for the chinese worker making .50c a day or is that a wage you would be comfortable with? Or perhaps the children working in horrible conditions?

Probably as bad as you felt about it when purchasing many of the items in your home that are probably made on Tuesday in the same factory

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

So a switch, pins, magnets, and tubes. Never seen these in machinery before :/

Is then a Susan B. Anthony dollar the same thing as a Quarter?

Are all denominations of paper money the same?

There is no difference in these pairings other than the way the ink is printed on sheets of paper or the metal displaced under a die.

Of course we have all seen a number of switches, pins, magnets, tubes, and threading methods.

Your car has all these things so it must be a clone of my Nemesis

Maurice

 

[samcm010]

Probably as bad as you felt about it when purchasing many of the items in your home that are probably made on Tuesday in the same factory

Might be very true in many cases but no not in this house. I am very careful not to purchase things made in sweat shops. While I might miss something here and there how can one not in this day and age I am very careful about my purchasing choices.

 

[JohnnyBGoode]

If you are making the so many'st variation to a theme of a simple product, any company bringing such a product to the market knows, mass produce and sell cheap. Unless you have such a strong brand that people are willing to pay to have original, you are sure to loose out to another mass producer otherwise. They will outsell you the day they hit the market as the market will literally be waiting for them to release it.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Perfect truth about why counterfeit buyers arguing its the cost that justlfy's my buying them is just baloney. Everyone here who smoked spent far more every month on cigarettes then a moderately priced mod costs so the money aspect is just a reason to excuse the choice

Its perceived value for money spent.. 'Too expensive' doesn't always mean 'can't afford'. I like value.. However, mine and yours definition of just what that point is where the cost exceeds the perceived value will be different.