Authentic makers sueing Cloners?

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Sure, if you want a $20+ a foot hose to water your garden... But if you use a garden hose for a 8000psi hydraulic application, it wont be pretty.

Actually it sells for $42/ft. I had 100' left over from the last run I was able to take home- our minimum lengths are 300', so I have a $4200 garden hose...
 

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It also took a team of engineers, 1000's of man hours and 10's of 1000's of ft. of scrap to develop the product. Imagine how corporate would feel if after we spent so much time and money developing said product, a Chinese company reverse engineered it and sold it for a fraction of what we sell it for? All of our product lines are patented, yet the only thing from keeping a PRC company from reverse engineering our product lines is that our customers won't buy from us unless it is made in the USA...

I would say that is a bit of a stretch. Almost EVERYTHING made in America could have their factories moved to China tomorrow, and people would keep on buying. In fact it happens pretty much all the time.
 

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Which supports my theory that it is important for us as consumers to do the right thing and spend our dollars with the originators and help support risk takers artists and innovators especially in our "little" world

i did just that, i bought the CLT atty which was $43.39 out the door at my local shop, i did this because i see it as a reasonable price, and i have not seen clones of it (at least not yet) i assume because it is so reasonably priced. i am considering the colonial mod from mad industries a nice authentic for less than $100, also considering a few others that are below $100.

but IMO $200 and up is just insane, again IMO.

does not mean i can't afford it, in my view it is just not worth the $$ tag to pay $240 for the authentic stingray when i get the exact same performance for $40.

its already happening, mod/atty makers are seeing how quickly they can move product if it is priced reasonably, and if you have an authentic, lets use the CLT as an example, for $40 then there will be almost nobody wanting to take the risk of getting a clone that's a lemon to save save $20 and have to spend another $20 to try again when they could have just got they authentic for that $40.

i will support these designers cause they are obviously supporting the consumer and our needs.
 

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Read post 673 above. Your already weak argument was soundly rebutted before you could make it.
shaking my head. ok we will have to disagree my "weak" argument about logo theft and the health of our industry has been soundly beaten by your ability to explain a hose is not a tube. Gotcha
 

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The hydraulic hose to garden hose analogy was pointed at illustrating that while a mod is a tube with threading not all tubes with threading are mods.

One is not a clone of another, they are different by design.

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Except we are not talking about two different classes of products. The weak argument being made would be like comparing a mod to a black iron nipple. It is not a valid argument for this debate and is a complete failure.
 

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Actually it sells for $42/ft.

LOL.. I took a stab at the price. I did say '+' though, in my defense :)


I had 100' left over from the last run I was able to take home- our minimum lengths are 300', so I have a $4200 garden hose...

Ya, but the question is, would you have bought a $4200 garden hose? ;)
 

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I would say that is a bit of a stretch. Almost EVERYTHING made in America could have their factories moved to China tomorrow, and people would keep on buying. In fact it happens pretty much all the time.

Not in the business I work in. While we do have factories in China, they only make certain lines of products. Most of our automotive, truck, oil and gas and industrial lines are made in the US because customers won't buy them if they are not. We tried making air brake tubing in Mexico and Volvo wouldn't buy it. HFI won't buy oil and gas hose if it isn't made in America and no oil company on earth will buy a blow out prevention bundle not made in the US after the BP disaster. Even Chinese companies buy our product lines...
 

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Except we are not talking about two different classes of products. The weak argument being made would be like comparing a mod to a black iron nipple. It is not a valid argument for this debate and is a complete failure.

The name of the mod I will make... Once I get a lathe. :p
 

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Not in the business I work in. While we do have factories in China, they only make certain lines of products. Most of our automotive, truck, oil and gas and industrial lines are made in the US because customers won't buy them if they are not. We tried making air brake tubing in Mexico and Volvo wouldn't buy it. HFI won't buy oil and gas hose if it isn't made in America and no oil company on earth will buy a blow out prevention bundle not made in the US after the BP disaster. Even Chinese companies buy our product lines...

Ahh okay so you work where there are corporate/government contracts set up I assume. I used to work for a company here that made vehicle exhuasts. That was my understanding of their sales.
 

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i did just that, i bought the CLT atty which was $43.39 out the door at my local shop, i did this because i see it as a reasonable price, and i have not seen clones of it (at least not yet) i assume because it is so reasonably priced. i am considering the colonial mod from mad industries a nice authentic for less than $100, also considering a few others that are below $100.

but IMO $200 and up is just insane, again IMO.

does not mean i can't afford it, in my view it is just not worth the $$ tag to pay $240 for the authentic stingray when i get the exact same performance for $40.

its already happening, mod/atty makers are seeing how quickly they can move product if it is priced reasonably, and if you have an authentic, lets use the CLT as an example, for $40 then there will be almost nobody wanting to take the risk of getting a clone that's a lemon to save save $20 and have to spend another $20 to try again when they could have just got they authentic for that $40.

i will support these designers cause they are obviously supporting the consumer and our needs.
Absolutely support the CLT absolutely support the Colonial mod and Smpl, and Loki labs and hemlock and steam monkey and vulcan and hobo and doomsday all of which are really affordable well made authentic mods. Also support originals on the classifieds which can be purchased well below $200 I have seen multiple mods go for sub $100 all day long on Classifieds
 

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LOL.. I took a stab at the price. I did say '+' though, in my defense :)




Ya, but the question is, would you have bought a $4200 garden hose? ;)

It is really nice, but I'm not that big into gardening. It is so light weight, won't freeze of get stiff, never kinks- in fact you can twist it up around and around and it just bounces back...
 

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Not in the business I work in. While we do have factories in China, they only make certain lines of products. Most of our automotive, truck, oil and gas and industrial lines are made in the US because customers won't buy them if they are not. We tried making air brake tubing in Mexico and Volvo wouldn't buy it. HFI won't buy oil and gas hose if it isn't made in America and no oil company on earth will buy a blow out prevention bundle not made in the US after the BP disaster. Even Chinese companies buy our product lines...

Then again, did you know that up to half of the Michelin tires sold in the US were actually made in China? China finally bought them out and became 'Double Coin'.. I hear Michelin is trying to renew ties with them to make more tires..

I know, French company, but most in the US think Michelin equals 'quality', so..
 

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Ahh okay so you work where there are corporate/government contracts set up I assume. I used to work for a company here that made vehicle exhuasts. That was my understanding of their sales.

Yeah, we do have product lines for government contractors- like armored diesel fuel line, but for the most part, we are thriving because the applications our products are used for can not be made to the same standards in China and our customers know that...
 

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Then again, did you know that up to half of the Michelin tires sold in the US were actually made in China? China finally bought them out and became 'Double Coin'.. I hear Michelin is trying to renew ties with them to make more tires..

I know, French company, but most in the US think Michelin equals 'quality', so..

I actually do know that and only buy tires made in the US, Japan or Brazil...
 
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