Authentic makers sueing Cloners?

[snork]

An only one application seems to have made it.. But you are right. This one is patented... Do you know what it is?

Sure I do. I have many of them, Super-T's implementation of a bottom firing mod and the VapeMate. What I don't know is whether this particular patent covers each item separately or in total.

 

[Jman8]

I do believe its been answered... Maybe not to your satisfaction, however.

I'm fairly confident it has not been answered. Barely addressed, but surely not answered.

 

[Bronze]

Ya, they pretty much are.. Unless you are Disney, Coke, Apple, Samsung, or Google.. Those guys will hunt you down to the ends of the Earth.

That is also very true. The case I was involved with, the guy who was suing for infringement ultimately lost the case but he spent a lot of money on litigation which forced the defendant to spend lots of money defending himself. The guy who sued was loaded. They guy being sued was not. It nearly broke him. And, of course, the lawyers did quite well.

 

[Bronze]

yessir.. She gets the portal implanted Weds.. Start chemo Thursday. Then its all downhill again

WooHoo! Time to get worse before she gets better...I guess.

 

[tearose50]

An only one application seems to have made it.. But you are right. This one is patented... Do you know what it is?

In case you want some further study:

US20130104916 A1
US20130032159 A1
US20120174914 A1
US20110265806 A1
CA 2797975 A1
US20120199146 A1
US20140053857
US20140190477
EP2732714A1
WO2014071329A1
WO2014072824 A2
WO2012109371A2
WO2012065754A2
US8402976
US20110265806
US3200819 A
US20140230835

There are more, btw.

 

[Ed_C]

And what are those all for?

 

[Midniteoyl]

In case you want some further study:

US20130104916 A1
US20130032159 A1
US20120174914 A1
US20110265806 A1
CA 2797975 A1
US20120199146 A1
US20140053857
US20140190477
EP2732714A1
WO2014071329A1
WO2014072824 A2
WO2012109371A2
WO2012065754A2
US8402976
US20110265806
US3200819 A
US20140230835

There are more, btw.

I saw those.. lotta 'applications'... Some quite old.

How many have been cloned?

 

[Coldrake]

I think one reason why the originators charge a lot of money for their product is because they know it wont be long before the cloners come out with their copies so they figure they better cash in while they can.

Or it could be this.

The Chinese are also not burdened with the taxes and insurance US Manufactures have. For example, here at Super-T we carry four insurance policies, two required by MN law and the other two required by the leasing companies (Workmans Comp, Propertly Liability, Unemployment and Equipment (fire, theft). Couple that with equipment loan payments, Shop rent, Employee wages, Tooling, electricity, product material and subcomponent costs and a myriad of other costs(website,product design, plating, advertising, CC processors, drafting, accountant, engineering etc) and you can start to see the real costs involved in producing just a "round tube".

 

[samcm010]

I'm fairly confident it has not been answered. Barely addressed, but surely not answered.

If I understand Jmans post correctly I do not think it has been answered no clone advocate on this thread that I have read has addressed whether they think it is perfectly fine to put an exact logo on a clone.

 

[retird]

I saw those.. lotta 'applications'... Some quite old.

How many have been cloned?

Patents and trademarks have been infringed by the china scum-bag companies and cloned very badly I might add.... kinda like thieves..... they would rather steal from hard working Americans rather that get a real job....

 

[Coldrake]

Ok, I guess I should have said most of us would not own ecigs had it not been for China's products/clones.

Fixed that for ya.

We all can't shell out $150+ for an "American made" mod or atomizer.

There's no need to. There are plenty of mods and atomizers well under $100.

 

[tearose50]

@M...oyl: I don't have a clue. I'm not the clone expert nor am I a patent attorney itching for a case.

The short list of patent numbers and applications is only to show that there is and has been traffic at the US Patent Office on several e-cig related items.

What's age have to do with anything on this thread? There very well may be some companies that are receiving royalties for their early designs.

 

[snork]

Check it out. The VapeMate enters the sub-ohm era.

 

[Bronze]

Good grief!!!

 

[snork]

Good grief!!!

Pretty handy thing, actually.

 

[skoony]

Well, the consumer is not the one putting time, money, and resources into it. That's why we're the CONSUMERS. I agree with him, to a lot of us it seems silly.

well there you go.
consumers make the decision to buy knock-offs(a much more accurate description) or originals.
what does that situational ethics say about that?

oh,i know. its none of my business to question your ethics that change to suit you when,
all the while my never changing ethics conflict with yours.
works for me regards,
mike

 

[rondasherrill]

Check it out. The VapeMate enters the sub-ohm era.

Nice! I wish I still had my VapeMate. My last one I had fell victim to a bad attempt to follow a tutorial in the modders forum to turn it into a bottom feed injector.

 

[snork]

Nice! I wish I still had my VapeMate. My last one I had fell victim to a bad attempt to follow a tutorial in the modders forum to turn it into a bottom feed injector.

The further we go along in time the less newcomers know about the hard work that went into getting us where we are today. Cheapass clones? Of course they're acceptable. After all, it's just a switch and a tube.

 

[skoony]

Aw.. they act tough to keep up the image, but they would be totally stupid to actually go to a fighting war and they know it. Not because we would win or lose, but because either way their economy would tank.

yes we will.
the marine corps switched to desert cammies in 1979.
for what may you ask?
wars are planned and prepared for many years before the public is
made to believe.
the legislation we get was cut and dried 3-5 years ago.
everything else is the dog and pony show.
regards
mike

 

[samcm010]

If I understand Jmans post correctly I do not think it has been answered no clone advocate on this thread that I have read has addressed whether they think it is perfectly fine to put an exact logo on a clone.

Well the silence on this is deafening I am curious why? I was convinced there would be some who would come up with an argument that it is perfectly ok to put an exact logo on a clone. To take it further is there anyone out there who thinks it is ok to market said clones (with exact logos) to new or inexperienced vapers as the real deal or "an exact match"? Finally is it ok for B&M stores to sell the $20 Clones for upwards of $80? Because if one cannot justify these arguments then the original purpose of this thread is answered of course it is ok for the original companies to sue the cloner's and we as consumers should be thanking them. With all that said I still do not think they will win the lawsuits for all the reasons previously stated.