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Regarding US production, they're based in the Bay Area (to my knowledge) and have a bunch of CNC machines. I'm relatively certain everything Apex/T.E.T sells is made domestically. I believe I've read that the company's run by a physician and an engineer. AFAIK any AVA is a US AVA.
Okay, I was under the impression that this atty would work with something like this... it's got little holes in the bottom of it. I'm not sure what it's for but I'd like to use it for a tank such as that one.
there was talk of an i06 atty tank in the works somewhere; i know MWA figured one out and i guess it was a proto type but never heard anything about it... after. The holes in the connector of the AVA look great for that kind of thing, i'd think.
Being a dedicated customer of ThermoEssence and having communicated with them a couple of times, I concur that these guys source materials from the US and make everything in their California manufacturing facility.
The also get their Tenergy RC123a batteries locally from Tenergy in Fremont, CA. They have an ongoing partnership with Tenergy.
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I still say for the price there asking there not performing up to it, they need the SS wool type mesh under the ceramic coil ( I did this today ) to stop them from leaking as bad as they do and maybe some more of the SS Wool mesh on top of the piece of ceramic above the coil ) I did this today ) to help hold liquid better, I'm surprised they haven't tried this yet, but then again if there getting there $50 a pop or close to it from enough people then maybe they don't need to try to improve them, but really they should for what there charging, because as is, they work - they dont work - they work - they dont work , as for the way they hit, when the right amount of liquid hits the heating coil just right they tend to work. Again for there price they should be extremely consistent every darn vape,,,,,
Thermvape if ya see this maybe try some SS wool mesh material inside and under the ceramic piece that is under the coil, and more SS Wool mesh on top of the piece of ceramic above the ceramic coil,,,,,,I did,,,,,it works,,,, it's that simple,,,, fix em,,,,,you need to re-engineer your brass connector to make more room for some SS Wool Type mesh, and leave some more space to get some around the coil, I totally diseceted this Ava LR Atty today, first off there is no way they are worth $40 - $50 bucks, total material cant cost more then $2 and labor is probably $5 so I would say there about anywhere from $7 - $8 to produce, and thats giving the benefit of the doubt in a big way. I wouldnt Ever pay that type of money for another one and I recommend to all you vapors not to do so either after what I've seen and done today,,," the profit margin here is ridiculous on these ". Oh and after re-building it with the SS Wool mesh like thats in the 357 Atty the thing is now holding liquid much better and also vaping better because of it now holding more liquid up top and also down bottom,, it's getting drawn back up to the coil whats laying there, instead of it all running out the bottom 4 air hole on the connector. just my 2c on these
Lastly if you guys want you can pick up some of the SS Wool mesh by the roll on the internet, and add this to your Atty's and it will help them a great deal, ya need to put an extra piece of wick in them too wrapping it under the cup coming back up to the coil. Anyone wants anymore info hit me up and will discuss it more on how to rebuild any current 510 or 901 Atty you have and make it much better using some of the SS Wool type mesh and an extra piece of wick. As for the Ava and spending $45 - $50 plus shipping, I wouldn't waste your cash on one of these there not worth that kind of money and there making a fortune off of each one. Just my simple review and honest opinion of this Atty as is,,, you would be much better off spending $21 on a 357 in my opinion only. Some will agree, some wont I'm sure. But $50 for 1 Atty, cmon really, it's nothing more then a simple 510 Atty with the coil wrapped around a small piece of ceramic with a small piece of ceramic under the coil and one above the coil, it cant cost more then .40c for these small pieces of ceramic to the moon.
Thermvape if ya see this maybe try some SS wool mesh material inside and under the ceramic piece that is under the coil, and more SS Wool mesh on top of the piece of ceramic above the ceramic coil,,,,,,I did,,,,,it works,,,, it's that simple,,,, fix em,,,,,you need to re-engineer your brass connector to make more room for some SS Wool Type mesh, and leave some more space to get some around the coil, I totally diseceted this Ava LR Atty today, first off there is no way they are worth $40 - $50 bucks, total material cant cost more then $2 and labor is probably $5 so I would say there about anywhere from $7 - $8 to produce, and thats giving the benefit of the doubt in a big way. I wouldnt Ever pay that type of money for another one and I recommend to all you vapors not to do so either after what I've seen and done today,,," the profit margin here is ridiculous on these ". Oh and after re-building it with the SS Wool mesh like thats in the 357 Atty the thing is now holding liquid much better and also vaping better because of it now holding more liquid up top and also down bottom,, it's getting drawn back up to the coil whats laying there, instead of it all running out the bottom 4 air hole on the connector. just my 2c on these
Lastly if you guys want you can pick up some of the SS Wool mesh by the roll on the internet, and add this to your Atty's and it will help them a great deal, ya need to put an extra piece of wick in them too wrapping it under the cup coming back up to the coil. Anyone wants anymore info hit me up and will discuss it more on how to rebuild any current 510 or 901 Atty you have and make it much better using some of the SS Wool type mesh and an extra piece of wick. As for the Ava and spending $45 - $50 plus shipping, I wouldn't waste your cash on one of these there not worth that kind of money and there making a fortune off of each one. Just my simple review and honest opinion of this Atty as is,,, you would be much better off spending $21 on a 357 in my opinion only. Some will agree, some wont I'm sure. But $50 for 1 Atty, cmon really, it's nothing more then a simple 510 Atty with the coil wrapped around a small piece of ceramic with a small piece of ceramic under the coil and one above the coil, it cant cost more then .40c for these small pieces of ceramic to the moon.
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Well when someone does a ceramic atty its a different story 
for now the ava is the only one doing it and if cost the price you say why dont do it yourself and steal there bussines selling at a much cheaper price ? Im not trying to attack you just saying that when you pretty much the only one doing it its your price and if people will pay for it its all good (atleast for me) its pretty much the same to the 357 it cost 22 if i remember and a bit more for a "custom" made one and its just parts of other atomizers put toguether.....
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for now the ava is the only one doing it and if cost the price you say why dont do it yourself and steal there bussines selling at a much cheaper price ? Im not trying to attack you just saying that when you pretty much the only one doing it its your price and if people will pay for it its all good (atleast for me) its pretty much the same to the 357 it cost 22 if i remember and a bit more for a "custom" made one and its just parts of other atomizers put toguether.....Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
The porous ceramic to hold the juice is one of the major points of the AVA... It's intentional that they don't use steel mesh. I wouldn't be buying these if they did.
This is your assessment of the construction and not necessarily the quality of the materials. High-quality materials cost more. American manufacturing costs more. If these last even twice as long as the the 100's of Chinese attys I've been through, the extra price is still worth it to me.
At the risk of sounding like a fanboy, I think you're a bit overly critical of the AVA and simplistic in your assessment of the manufacturing and materials.
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That's the whole thing Chad sir,,, the material isnt that much, that' a bunch of BS,,, go price out the tube, connector, coil wire, and the 3 tiny pieces of ceramic,, = $ 4-$5 would be considerately on the high side, and the pretty tube isnt what make the Atty work, what is it a nickle coated tube, big deal its not expensive, especially if you go cheak out all these parts wholesale buying them in lots of say 10K pieces each part. As far as you saying " I think you're a bit overly critical of the AVA and simplistic in your assessment of the manufacturing and materials." I think not at all, I think I'm hitting the nail on the head, but with you also stating " Being a dedicated customer of ThermoEssence " I can understand you backing them, but I cant after my long reearch and testing the Atty now for a while and dissecting it and breaking it down totally, If you think there not making a killing on this $50 Atty that isnt any better then most others then you should maybe think twice about this. The 3 ceramic pieces they are using hardly cost anything at all as well
Also, if the 357 is $21 what makes this worth $50 ? the 3 little pieces of ceramic that cost about .20c ? I dont think so,, plus this Atty leaks like a sieve, is hit or miss on every vape you take from it too, one vape it hits the next it misses, simply because of the internal design, it needs something to make it hold the liquid better and it could be something, I hope thermovape see's this review and considers making the needed changes so there $50 Atty works. After using 4 of them for the last almost 2-3 months I doubt I got 4 bad ones. Lastly whether it's made in the USA, China, or east jabip, it's wholesale cost to make this Atty cant be more then $6-$8 to the MOON. I can break one down and zip it back together in 5 Min or less so labor int that intensive either. Just so it's clear, I have nothing against Thermovape or anyone else that sells these, this is just my honest review and opinion, and I believe I'm welcome to that, nobody has to agree, but many will. They have a good idea, it's just not perfected, and the price is just way out of line.
That's the whole thing Chad sir,,, the material isnt that much, that' a bunch of BS,,, go price out the tube, connector, coil wire, and the 3 tiny pieces of ceramic,, = $ 4-$5 would be considerately on the high side, and the pretty tube isnt what make the Atty work, what is it a nickle coated tube, big deal its not expensive, especially if you go cheak out all these parts wholesale buying them in lots of say 10K pieces each part. As far as you saying " I think you're a bit overly critical of the AVA and simplistic in your assessment of the manufacturing and materials." I think not at all, I think I'm hitting the nail on the head, but with you also stating " Being a dedicated customer of ThermoEssence " I can understand you backing them, but I cant after my long reearch and testing the Atty now for a while and dissecting it and breaking it down totally, If you think there not making a killing on this $50 Atty that isnt any better then most others then you should maybe think twice about this. The 3 ceramic pieces they are using hardly cost anything at all as well
Also, if the 357 is $21 what makes this worth $50 ? the 3 little pieces of ceramic that cost about .20c ? I dont think so,, plus this Atty leaks like a sieve, is hit or miss on every vape you take from it too, one vape it hits the next it misses, simply because of the internal design, it needs something to make it hold the liquid better and it could be something, I hope thermovape see's this review and considers making the needed changes so there $50 Atty works. After using 4 of them for the last almost 2-3 months I doubt I got 4 bad ones. Lastly whether it's made in the USA, China, or east jabip, it's wholesale cost to make this Atty cant be more then $6-$8 to the MOON. I can break one down and zip it back together in 5 Min or less so labor int that intensive either. Just so it's clear, I have nothing against Thermovape or anyone else that sells these, this is just my honest review and opinion, and I believe I'm welcome to that, nobody has to agree, but many will. They have a good idea, it's just not perfected, and the price is just way out of line.
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If anybody knows what they're talking about it's MWA... kudos for having the b_lls to put it out, even if rather bluntly.
I wouldn't have gotten into the HH357 if he didn't tell me about it and imo it is better as he says.
I know he's been vaping and dissecting the AVA for a long time now and was one of the first to have the HH357's
I'm hoping my AVA will wake up after a cleaning, ... as I said i do like it, but the jury is still out as to it being a "complete"" atomizer; one that gives great flavor AND vapor.
I'm willing to overlook the leaking for now but at that price, it better be better than most and "complete".
the guys that love them may have ones that are better than other AVA"s, and I ordered a couple more in hopes ... but that will give me a fair example.
If nothing else, maybe a V2 will come out of this discussion.
I wouldn't have gotten into the HH357 if he didn't tell me about it and imo it is better as he says.
I know he's been vaping and dissecting the AVA for a long time now and was one of the first to have the HH357's
I'm hoping my AVA will wake up after a cleaning, ... as I said i do like it, but the jury is still out as to it being a "complete"" atomizer; one that gives great flavor AND vapor.
I'm willing to overlook the leaking for now but at that price, it better be better than most and "complete".
the guys that love them may have ones that are better than other AVA"s, and I ordered a couple more in hopes ... but that will give me a fair example.
If nothing else, maybe a V2 will come out of this discussion.
I see a 3 month warranty on there heater cores, and lifetime on there vaporizers, but dont see any warranty on there Atty's I could be wrong but I dont see any warranty info on there Atty page, and I dont think they are warranted for 3 months, but could be wrong, I think there is no warranty on there Atty's, and most Atty's have no warranty other than a DOA
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Uke, they are all the same, if you dissect one completely as I have a couple now, there isn't really anything that can be different, unless they wrap the coils over top of each other shorting the coil out, other then this they are a very simple design, in fact you could rebuild everyone you have, all you need to do is take it apart and twist a new coil around the ceramic piece and put it back together, in my eyes there isnt any reason to own more then you really need of these for as many mods as your gonna put them on, but I wouldnt waste anymore cash on them, the 357 is hands down better as is right now.
Hopefully they will find a way to make the Atty hold liquid better around the coil, if they can do this it would change my mind on how they run possibly, but not on there pricing, in fact, how they make there coil is less expensive then say a cisco coil. The Cisco type coil has insulation around the wires and is set in the ceramic cup so it cant ever come out, and is a tighter wound coil,,, the Ava is simply wrapped around a very small cylinder type piece of ceramic, and the wire tucked into the side hole of the connector and the other end secured into the bottom pin, this is a les expensive way, its almost how you wrap a genesis type coil and connect the ends how they do it.
Uke, you for one know I call it like I see it, that's all Im doing here. The Ava Atty and ceramic is a great idea, but this Atty is not perfected in many ways.
Hopefully they will find a way to make the Atty hold liquid better around the coil, if they can do this it would change my mind on how they run possibly, but not on there pricing, in fact, how they make there coil is less expensive then say a cisco coil. The Cisco type coil has insulation around the wires and is set in the ceramic cup so it cant ever come out, and is a tighter wound coil,,, the Ava is simply wrapped around a very small cylinder type piece of ceramic, and the wire tucked into the side hole of the connector and the other end secured into the bottom pin, this is a les expensive way, its almost how you wrap a genesis type coil and connect the ends how they do it.
Uke, you for one know I call it like I see it, that's all Im doing here. The Ava Atty and ceramic is a great idea, but this Atty is not perfected in many ways.
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Do you mean something smaller then the Surge tank? If so can I get a link?
As far as I know all my Ava Atty's have a sealed bottom post, the 4 breather air holes arent going to cut it for a tank, it would flood and those are needed for air draw, you would need an open center post to run an Atty in a tank in my opinion anyways. If the Ava had an open center post as it is built now it would leak even more then it currently does, and its why it doesnt have an open center post.
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I have no desire for this to erupt into a flame war but since you are supporting your opinion with more detail. I feel like I should as well. Just a couple thoughts I have on the AVA...
I have no desire for this to erupt into a flame war but since you are supporting your opinion with more detail. I feel like I should as well. Just a couple thoughts I have on the AVA...
The atty's I have (2 HR on 6v tube mods) haven't ever leaked on me. Vapor is never hit or miss. I use VG liquid and don't have the problems you've stated. I can't imagine how we could have such disparate experiences unless our behaviors are significantly different when we vape. I believe these don't work well with PG because of less viscosity. Not arguing, just saying.
As to them making a killing, more power to them. If the market bears the price, I won't fault them for gouging. They obviously can't make a business on me as their only happy customer so other folks obviously like them too.
Another reason I prefer the AVA.
Of course not. Still fairly new to market, eh? I not looking for perfection; just evolution.
Good discussion, I just know that after cleaning my AVA's I am happy to have them on my PV's again. These produce the best flavor, don't spit like the HH 357's and the leaking is no issue at all as I use dripshields.
MWA = Well, I am looking for perfection in an Atty, especially if I'm going to spend $50 for just 1,,,,,,Far from perfect I guess I should have said, ceramic doesn't equate to evolution in my honest opinion, well its a good idea I agree but not evolutionary. Making it work properly is another story, and there far from working extraordinary how they perform, flavor is good when the right amount of liquid is on the coil, but seeing there really isnt anything to hold the liquid around the coil, I think some adjustments are in need Chad, and what I have been stating from the start, there's room for improvement in this area, they need to figure a way to hold more liquid to the coil, and there is a couple of ways to go about this, it surprises me they havent or arent looking into this more, I think it would help this Ava Atty a great deal
Let's not argue, or flame as you called it,,,, let's see if we can get the company to listen to our wants and needs to make this Atty far better then it currently is,,,, and then be able to sell far far more of them to make there profit , instead of gouging people $50ea for a single Atty,, these cost but cheap cheap to really manufacture let's be honest here. USA goods are nice to buy and I support USA made goods all I possibly can, but they have to be reasonably priced and competitive in today's Global market place to really be successful. Many people don't care where the products are made but more about the quality and price combination to earn there business, that's why Walmart is such a success story in business today along with many other companies out there, There is way to much competition today, and others will be using ceramic and already are, there going to create competition and prices will drop on these and quick, if not they wont gain market share and that's what it/s all about Market share. A better product and cheaper price will gain them more market share and more profit in the long run
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I'm actually getting more flavor from some other Atty's right now Emonty,,, however, I do feel if there where some engineering changes to these ceramic internals in the Ava Atty's they have the potential to produce much more flavor and thicker vapor then they do now and overall work much better.
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